Fatal shooting - argument in parking lot

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Warrigal said:
There is a long chain of events here. Plenty of sliding doors to consider.

Had not the car been parked in a disabled space, the outcome would have been different
Had not Drejka decided to berate the driver, had he minded his own business, the outcome would have been different.
Had the bystander not decided to alert McGlockton of the situation in the car park, the outcome could have been different.
Had McGlockton not rushed outside to defend his family, the outcome could have been different.
Had he not shoved Dreika, the outcome could have been different.
Has Dreika not fallen to the ground, the outcome could have been different.
Had Dreika not been armed, the outcome could have been different.
Had McGlockton been armed, the outcome could have been different.

All of the above are hypotheticals. They did not happen.

What did happen is that an argument about misuse of a parking space set aside for handicapped drivers led to the death of a man.
The shooter is relying on the SYG statute. He may be right, but the matter must be tested in court, otherwise there will be many more deaths like this by people who choose to provoke arguments with intent to shoot someone.
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Well said, Warrigal.
 

"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X
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Since I was a child I was taught to scream my lungs out if anyone attempted to grab me off the street. And run away.
At no time was I taught to return violence with more violence.

I did once shriek loudly when a pick pocket team stole my wallet in Paris.
People came to my aid and I got my wallet back.
No-one died. Not even the would-be thieves.

All I am trying to say is that it is possible to go about daily activities without resorting to dealing death.
 
Warrigal said:
All I am trying to say is that it is possible to go about daily activities without resorting to dealing death.
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I agree with you 100% but I also believe that if you put your hands on another person you have to be ready for whatever comes your way.
 

Aunt Bea said:
IMO it is an inflammatory stretch of what took place to say that there was ever an intent to shoot someone.

The fact is that Drejka did not pull out a weapon until he was assaulted by McGlockton.

IMO McGlockton had no right to put his hands on Drejka during what was up to that point a petty verbal confrontation.

This incident more than any other makes me think of this quote:

"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X
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Are you seriously using the quote of Malcolm X whom at the time was a radical thinking Muslim who believed whites were genetically engineered devils. We have really started to start reaching deep to find quotes from black people to support this racist killer.

Malcolm was one of my heroes, not due to his radical thinking, he went through a transformation from hate speech and the like of which I'm sure many don't have a clue about. The changes were part of the reason for his assassination and that quote would not be something he would want referenced to him in this abdominal situation. Very shameful to use this man like this.
 
AprilT said:
Are you seriously using the quote of Malcolm X whom at the time was a radical thinking Muslim who believed whites were genetically engineered devils. We have really started to start reaching deep to find quotes from black people to support this racist killer.

Malcolm was one of my heroes, not due to his radical thinking, he went through a transformation from hate speech and the like of which I'm sure many don't have a clue about. The changes were part of the reason for his assassination and that quote would not be something he would want referenced to him in this abdominal situation. Very shameful to use this man like this.
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I don't understand why different ideas and opinions are so threatening to you, go ahead attack me if it makes you feel better.
 
Why does Drejka have to be a racist because he shot McGlockton? Why can't he just be a crackpot without racist dragged in?

That never entered my mind until reading here. Is there something I don't know that proves he's a racist?

Otherwise I'm sick of this constant form of thinking and starting to wonder who all the racists are getting to be.

Blast away, I'm done.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I don't understand why different ideas and opinions are so threatening to you, go ahead attack me if it makes you feel better.
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Nothing threatening nor unique in the way the ideas are being used here. Call it an attack if you like, just pointing the ridiculousness of the guise. Call it what you wish though, I'm use to the mentality floating about here.
 
RadishRose said:
Why does Drejka have to be a racist because he shot McGlockton? Why can't he just be a crackpot without racist dragged in?

That never entered my mind until reading here. Is there something I don't know that proves he's a racist?

Otherwise I'm sick of this constant form of thinking and starting to wonder who all the racists are getting to be.

Blast away, I'm done.
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Probably because in many of the news articles it was reported he used the N word and tended to stalk black to make threats against. I don't know, that seems to have a lot to do with it. But it's fine if people want to ignore this. It's easy to dismiss when you grow up in a world that doesn't constantly use your race against you for various reasons. I'm sure it's nice.
From one of many stories

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stand-...say-michael-drejka-had-confrontations-before/

"A black man who drives a septic truck told Pinellas Sheriff's Detective George Moffett that he parked in the same handicapped-accessible spot three months before McGlockton's July 19 videotaped shooting, the court documents show. The man said Drejka, 48, began yelling at him and said he would shoot him.

The driver said he left, but as he pulled away, Drejka shouted racial slurs. The man's boss told Detective Moffett that Drejka later called, telling him "that he was lucky he didn't blow his employee's head off."

In separate 2012 cases, drivers reported that Drejka waved a gun at them during road rage confrontations. In both cases, officers stopped Drejka and found a gun in his car, but he denied showing it to the other drivers. "

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As long as we don't have to think about those people alls good in the neighborhood is the feeling I get from so many. I'm remembering why I stopped hanging around here.
 
AprilT said:
Are you seriously using the quote of Malcolm X whom at the time was a radical thinking Muslim who believed whites were genetically engineered devils. We have really started to start reaching deep to find quotes from black people to support this racist killer.

Malcolm was one of my heroes, not due to his radical thinking, he went through a transformation from hate speech and the like of which I'm sure many don't have a clue about. The changes were part of the reason for his assassination and that quote would not be something he would want referenced to him in this abdominal situation. Very shameful to use this man like this.
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So you are the one that chooses who get's quoted & by whom? And in what scenario it is used ?

"that quote would not be something he would want referenced to him in this abdominal situation."

He as well doesn't get to choose which statement of his is quoted or under what situation it is used. Do not want to be quoted?....remain silent.

"abdominal situation."

This caused an upset stomach?
 
applecruncher said:
Prosecutors say Drejka initiated the confrontation. They're right.

Some people are tripping all over themselves looking for someone to blame other than Michael Drejka.

Blame the woman who parked in handicap spot.
Blame the owners of the store for having a business in that location.
Blame it on the Bossa Nova.

One person is to blame for the death of McGlockton: Michael Drejka. He shot him.
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I strongly agree.

Where the car was parked was none of Dreka's business -- he was not law enforcement, or the landowner, or a handicapped person needing the space. He imagined himself as some sort of self-appointed parking vigilante, and probably was (I'm not sure how Florida would see it) trespassing -- I believe I read that Drejka had made trouble in the same parking lot before and the store owner had chased him off.

As private citizens we don't have the right to go around trying to make others conform to the law. If the parking problem annoyed Drejka, the proper thing for him to do would have been to report it to the authorities and let them rightfully deal with it. He had no authority whatsoever over the parking lot or people in it and had no business berating that woman about her parking. The fact that she was parked in a handicap spot didn't make it his business.
 
Although I don't blame the woman for her boyfriend's death her parking illegally set off a chain of events that led to his death. Actions have consequences. You can't ignore that.
She made it her business to park illegally. The consequences of that action were tragic. Should her boyfriend have died. No but based on that chain if events he did.
 
Butterfly said:
I strongly agree.

Where the car was parked was none of Dreka's business -- he was not law enforcement, or the landowner, or a handicapped person needing the space. He imagined himself as some sort of self-appointed parking vigilante, and probably was (I'm not sure how Florida would see it) trespassing -- I believe I read that Drejka had made trouble in the same parking lot before and the store owner had chased him off.

As private citizens we don't have the right to go around trying to make others conform to the law. If the parking problem annoyed Drejka, the proper thing for him to do would have been to report it to the authorities and let them rightfully deal with it. He had no authority whatsoever over the parking lot or people in it and had no business berating that woman about her parking. The fact that she was parked in a handicap spot didn't make it his business.
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I concur.
 
Butterfly said:
I strongly agree.

Where the car was parked was none of Dreka's business -- he was not law enforcement, or the landowner, or a handicapped person needing the space. He imagined himself as some sort of self-appointed parking vigilante, and probably was (I'm not sure how Florida would see it) trespassing -- I believe I read that Drejka had made trouble in the same parking lot before and the store owner had chased him off.

As private citizens we don't have the right to go around trying to make others conform to the law. If the parking problem annoyed Drejka, the proper thing for him to do would have been to report it to the authorities and let them rightfully deal with it. He had no authority whatsoever over the parking lot or people in it and had no business berating that woman about her parking. The fact that she was parked in a handicap spot didn't make it his business.
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Yep
He's a loaded gun all my himself, whether he is carrying or not
 
Mistakes were made on both sides.......Drejka had no business acting like the "handicapped parking lot police" but by the same token McGlockton had no reason to storm up like a thug and push him to the pavement when all he had to do was walk up to Drejka and yell, "hey man WTF is the problem ?" and try to solve the problem verbally.

When away from home I always, always carry a concealed gun and I'll be totally up front......if I'm having a verbal altercation with someone and a person comes charging out of nowhere, blindsides me and knocks me to the pavement I'm definitely pulling my weapon to avoid any further physical harm.

After I pull my weapon and I see the unarmed threat retreating (like in this case) would I fire ?.......no.
 
IKE said:
Mistakes were made on both sides.......Drejka had no business acting like the "handicapped parking lot police" but by the same token McGlockton had no reason to storm up like a thug and push him to the pavement when all he had to do was walk up to Drejka and yell, "hey man WTF is the problem ?" and try to solve the problem verbally.

When away from home I always, always carry a concealed gun and I'll be totally up front......if I'm having a verbal altercation with someone and a person comes charging out of nowhere, blindsides me and knocks me to the pavement I'm definitely pulling my weapon to avoid any further physical harm.

After I pull my weapon and I see the unarmed threat retreating (like in this case) would I fire ?.......no.
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and there it is
 
IKE said:
Mistakes were made on both sides.......Drejka had no business acting like the "handicapped parking lot police" but by the same token McGlockton had no reason to storm up like a thug and push him to the pavement when all he had to do was walk up to Drejka and yell, "hey man WTF is the problem ?" and try to solve the problem verbally.

When away from home I always, always carry a concealed gun and I'll be totally up front......if I'm having a verbal altercation with someone and a person comes charging out of nowhere, blindsides me and knocks me to the pavement I'm definitely pulling my weapon to avoid any further physical harm.

After I pull my weapon and I see the unarmed threat retreating (like in this case) would I fire ?.......no.
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It seems to me that when someone is carrying a concealed lethal weapon it is incumbent on that person to deescalate a situation rather than ratchet it up. Drejka was the only one in this situation who KNEW the stakes were life-or-death; McGlockton certainly did not.

I agree with Butterfly's comments.^^^ The US needs gun-toting self-appointed parking enforcement sheriffs like it needs a flu pandemic.
 
Apologies for being off topic, but would gun carrying Americans feel unsafe in Canadian cities where such is prohibited? I was reluctant to post a whole thread on this in case it appeared inflammatory. I am not attempting to debate relative merits of differing laws in our two countries, just curious if some might feel vulnerable.
 
If I was in Canada (or anywhere else) and it was legal for me to carry a weapon I would.

Just because guns are supposedly illegal in Canada it doesn't mean that bad guys still don't have access to guns as well as knives, screwdrivers, bats etc......it makes no difference to me if a bad guy is attempting to shoot, stab or club me to death I want to be protected.

Gun crimes still happen in Canada (see link)


https://nationalpost.com/news/as-to...-canadian-gun-crime-spiralling-out-of-control
 
I think I was not clear re the point of my post. Very difficult to get a concealed handgun permit in Canada unless one is in law enforcement, military, etc. That pertains to my question re possible feelings of vulnerability.
 
hearlady said:
Yes. I understand pulling the weapon but saw no reason to fire at that point.
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Problem is....you weren't there, you weren't under the threat, perceived or real, none of us felt what Drejka did. There is no way in hell we can assess Drejka's emotion/fear in that moment.

And in that moment he responded to the threat in a manner permitted under the laws of the state in place at that time.
 
There is no way in hell we can assess Drejka's emotion/fear in that moment.

And in that moment he responded to the threat in a manner permitted under the laws of the state in place at that time.
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Yes, and that's exactly the trouble. If his response to being pushed was permitted by the laws of the state at that time, to begin with.

Of course, no one can assess anyone else's emotion/fear about anything. That's why there is something very, very wrong about permitting people to shoot other people because they felt "afraid." There are
some people who walk around in a state of panic all the time. Would you want one of those people armed, and standing near you or one of your loved ones? They might decide that you have a scary face, or
looked at them in a threatening way, even though your thoughts were a thousand miles away and you didn't even notice them.
 
IKE said:
If I was in Canada (or anywhere else) and it was legal for me to carry a weapon I would.

Just because guns are supposedly illegal in Canada it doesn't mean that bad guys still don't have access to guns as well as knives, screwdrivers, bats etc......it makes no difference to me if a bad guy is attempting to shoot, stab or club me to death I want to be protected.

Gun crimes still happen in Canada (see link)


https://nationalpost.com/news/as-to...-canadian-gun-crime-spiralling-out-of-control
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I will take my chances against knives, screwdrivers, bats, etc.

I can outrun all of those but I can't outrun a bullet.

Biggest threat to Canadians and makes them feel unsafe?

Crossing the street as a pedestrian.

We do have some terrible drivers always in a hurry. The worst are those making a right hand turn . They aren't looking for pedestrians, they are looking for oncoming cars.
 

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