Fatal shooting - argument in parking lot

[rgp]

Yes, and that's exactly the trouble. If his response to being pushed was permitted by the laws of the state at that time, to begin with.

Of course, no one can assess anyone else's emotion/fear about anything. That's why there is something very, very wrong about permitting people to shoot other people because they felt "afraid." There are
some people who walk around in a state of panic all the time. Would you want one of those people armed, and standing near you or one of your loved ones? They might decide that you have a scary face, or
looked at them in a threatening way, even though your thoughts were a thousand miles away and you didn't even notice them.

So if you are dismayed by it, as it appears , set about changing the law for the future. Attempting to change the rules in the middle of the game is not the way to go.

In a nutshell, the law was in Drejka's favor when the incident took place.
Had the law been structured as it seems you favor, then there is reason to believe that he may have not carried at all. And perhaps ignored the situation entirely? Again, something we will never know.

"That's why there is something very, very wrong about permitting people to shoot other people because they felt "afraid."

Really?..............you're in say a parking garage, just finished shopping. It's dark/getting dark. The stores are closing, the parking garage is near empty. Just as you finish placing your packages in the car, at close proximity you see two thugs coming toward you, you just know , you just know !...they are up to no good, and mean you harm.
You start to tremble , you fear assault , you fear rape , words are exchanged , they keep coming, you pull your weapon , they stop. Then one & or both of them flinch/move, in your mind, it is starting all over again.......you shoot!

 

[Sunny]

Hey, rgp, you've got to stop living in a B movie!

How do you "just know" they are thugs, and they mean you harm? Your scenario makes my point perfectly. They could be totally innocent men, returning to their own car after doing their own shopping. And now, one of them is dead. (Just like Treyvon Martin.) And this is justified, because YOU felt afraid?

About changing the law for the future, I am happy to say that I live in a state that does not have that insane SYG law. I do not have the power to change laws in other states.

 

[rgp]

Hey, rgp, you've got to stop living in a B movie!

How do you "just know" they are thugs, and they mean you harm? Your scenario makes my point perfectly. They could be totally innocent men, returning to their own car after doing their own shopping. And now, one of them is dead. (Just like Treyvon Martin.) And this is justified, because YOU felt afraid?

About changing the law for the future, I am happy to say that I live in a state that does not have that insane SYG law. I do not have the power to change laws in other states.

You say I don't know, Drejka didn't know, when to be afraid. Yet YOU know these guys are just returning to their car...Interesting.

Call it a "B" movie if you like......It happened to someone I know.

She now carries a weapon....I'm sure if it happens again?....who ever it is will die before he ever touches her. And I will be among the first to contribute to her defense fund should she need it.


BTW....are you always so condescending ?

 

[rgp]

Sunny said......

"About changing the law for the future, I am happy to say that I live in a state that does not have that insane SYG law. I do not have the power to change laws in other states."

You talk about Drejka minding his own business!?

The incident happened in Florida, under Florida law .....so how is that any of your business?

A bit hypocritical don't ya think?... to say he should mind his own business , yet you are sticking your nose in his , from a different state.

 

[Knight]

Interesting posts
Camper6 can out run a person with a knife.
Proven that a person with a knife can close a 20ft. space before a person can draw a gun. Given that 20ft. closing, how is turning away a few feet from Drejka a guarantee that repositioning to cause further harm wouldn't have happened.


Warrigal.
Had not decided to berate the driver, had he minded his own business, the outcome would have been different.
You posted that in Paris people got involved to help you. You were happy they did. Why is wanting handicapped spaces kept open for handicapped different.


Butterfly
Where the car was parked was none of Dreka's business -- he was not law enforcement, or the landowner, or a handicapped person needing the space. He imagined himself as some sort of self-appointed parking vigilante, and probably was.
The mind reader at it with knowing what Drejka imagined. Ignoring a wrong works against the common good. I hope the logic of deciding it was none of Dreka's business never extends to people not wanting to get involved when it comes to "see something say something".


The SYG law favors Drejka. The video posted in #1 favors Drejka. Look up simple assault and what it says about provocation. Words between the driver, no gun, no physical contact, didn't even touch the car. Look at the instant assault on Drejka.


Emotion will be part of what takes place in the courtroom, so will explanation of the law and the facts that are visible.

 

[Sunny]

rgp, your last two notes make no sense at all!

In note #301 YOU suggested that if I don't like the SYG law, I should change it for the future. I was replying to that. I have no power to change any laws that are passed by another state. So, by yelling at me that I am sticking my nose in another state's business, you are arguing with yourself, and agreeing with me. That was exactly my point!

In note #303, you are quoting me as saying something that I never said, then arguing with it. I never said that in your B movie scenario, I would KNOW that those guys were just returning from a shopping trip. Those are your words, not mine. What I said was that they COULD BE returning from a shopping trip. Big difference!

I have to wonder, on what basis do you know they are "thugs" who mean you harm? Because of race, or some ethnicity you don't like? Maybe they are wearing clothes that you have decided are offensive, such as a dark-colored hoodie, or a backward baseball cap? Or maybe a t-shirt with a slogan that you find offensive? Do all those things provide definite proof to you that they are planning to attack you? Are you really that fearful about other people?

I am a smallish white woman, very much in my "senior years." I have lived in or near cities most of my life. I have spent plenty of hours in cities at night, usually walking from one place to another. Yet, I have never been robbed, assaulted, or in any way threatened. I cannot imagine having such feelings of fear and hatred toward other people as what you are describing.

Frankly, that SYG law sounds a lot like thinly disguised racism to me. Or maybe it's a syndrome caused by having watched too many John Wayne movies in your youth. Yes, sometimes there are criminal assaults on people. But it sounds to me like an awful lot of these assaults are being committed by the self-appointed vigilantes who, ironically, are using the "fearful" card.

 

[rgp]

rgp, your last two notes make no sense at all!

In note #301 YOU suggested that if I don't like the SYG law, I should change it for the future. I was replying to that. I have no power to change any laws that are passed by another state. So, by yelling at me that I am sticking my nose in another state's business, you are arguing with yourself, and agreeing with me. That was exactly my point!

In note #303, you are quoting me as saying something that I never said, then arguing with it. I never said that in your B movie scenario, I would KNOW that those guys were just returning from a shopping trip. Those are your words, not mine. What I said was that they COULD BE returning from a shopping trip. Big difference!

I have to wonder, on what basis do you know they are "thugs" who mean you harm? Because of race, or some ethnicity you don't like? Maybe they are wearing clothes that you have decided are offensive, such as a dark-colored hoodie, or a backward baseball cap? Or maybe a t-shirt with a slogan that you find offensive? Do all those things provide definite proof to you that they are planning to attack you? Are you really that fearful about other people?

I am a smallish white woman, very much in my "senior years." I have lived in or near cities most of my life. I have spent plenty of hours in cities at night, usually walking from one place to another. Yet, I have never been robbed, assaulted, or in any way threatened. I cannot imagine having such feelings of fear and hatred toward other people as what you are describing.

Frankly, that SYG law sounds a lot like thinly disguised racism to me. Or maybe it's a syndrome caused by having watched too many John Wayne movies in your youth. Yes, sometimes there are criminal assaults on people. But it sounds to me like an awful lot of these assaults are being committed by the self-appointed vigilantes who, ironically, are using the "fearful" card.

"having watched too many John Wayne movies in your youth. Yes, sometimes there are criminal assaults on people. "

So now you propose to know my TV habits when I was young, & how it may or my not have effected me?...and of course again there is the condensation...

"So, by yelling at me that I am sticking my nose in another state's business, "

I didn't yell at you at all...I merely compared your chastising Drejaka for not minding his business , when you seem perfectly comfortable sticking your nose in his.

"I would KNOW that those guys were just returning from a shopping trip. Those are your words,"

You are quite naive....I hope your luck continues to hold.

 

[fmdog44]

I think I was not clear re the point of my post. Very difficult to get a concealed handgun permit in Canada unless one is in law enforcement, military, etc. That pertains to my question re possible feelings of vulnerability.

Just curious, we wake up to the morning news of neighborhood shootings almost every day in big cities. Here's my question to a Canadian, how often are murders reported on your local news? By the way, way back when I worked in your beautiful country on several occasions.

 

[applecruncher]

Does anyone know what Drejka's job/career is (or was)?
Does he have or ever had a family? Friends?

Seems he doesn't have a pot or window to throw it out of.

 

[fmdog44]

Does anyone know what Drejka's job/career is (or was)?
Does he have or ever had a family? Friends?

Seems he doesn't have a pot or window to throw it out of.

It always amazes me how much people know about the lives of complete strangers. "oh, but I read it on the internet!"
If that asshole was coming at me I would have shot him before he touched me and then we would have an entirely different discussion.

 

[Knight]

Does anyone know what Drejka's job/career is (or was)?
Does he have or ever had a family? Friends?

Seems he doesn't have a pot or window to throw it out of.

I don't know and don't care.

His personal life has nothing to do with what took place.

But if personal life is of interest.
Why was the mother of 3 children not married to McGlocklun? What kind of job did she or he have? Was that unmarried couple drawing on any form of tax paid assistance?

How about we all wait until the justice system completes what it is in place to do? They are charged with dealing with the facts not the emotional peripheral issues

 

[applecruncher]

It always amazes me how much people know about the lives of complete strangers. "oh, but I read it on the internet!"
If that asshole was coming at me I would have shot him before he touched me and then we would have an entirely different discussion.

Sidestepping...

And what does that have to do with what I asked?
I didn't ask what YOU would do it what amazes you; I couldn't care less.

 

[applecruncher]

I don't know and don't care.

His personal life has nothing to do with what took place.

But if personal life is of interest.
Why was the mother of 3 children not married to McGlocklun? What kind of job did she or he have? Was that unmarried couple drawing on any form of tax paid assistance?

How about we all wait until the justice system completes what it is in place to do? They are charged with dealing with the facts not the emotional peripheral issues

Some human beings are of the opinion that shooting an unarmed man is emotional.

Strange that right off the bat you question if McGlockton gf was getting public assistance. Hmmm. If you did some minimal basic research about who gets public assistance you'd be surprised.

Which leads back to the question ... how was Drejka supporting himself?

 

[Shalimar]

Just curious, we wake up to the morning news of neighborhood shootings almost every day in big cities. Here's my question to a Canadian, how often are murders reported on your local news? By the way, way back when I

worked in your beautiful country on several occasions.

Thanks so much for the compliment. Murders are reported on our local news as soon as information is given to the press. We had 611 murders in Canada in 2016, latest stats I could find, so at present, insufficient killings,

shootings, or otherwise, to require almost daily reporting. (I was amazed to discover most of our murders take place in prairie cities, not in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, as I expected.)

 

[AprilT]

Does anyone know what Drejka's job/career is (or was)?
Does he have or ever had a family? Friends?

Seems he doesn't have a pot or window to throw it out of.

I think his job was parking lot monitor and if he didn't have any friends, hopefully he'll soon have some that will be living, dining, showering keeping company day and night.

 

[Warrigal]

Warrigal.
Had not decided to berate the driver, had he minded his own business, the outcome would have been different.
You posted that in Paris people got involved to help you. You were happy they did. Why is wanting handicapped spaces kept open for handicapped different.

You have chosen just one of the points I made to postulate that there were many ways that have a better outcome than a man's death. I suggest you reread my entire post to understand my drift.

With regard to my Paris experience, there is a lot of difference. Number one, the theft of my wallet by a couple of pickpockets was a crime. Parking offences, especially in a shopping complex, is a much lower offence. Neither offence is worth anyone being shot to death.

My husband has a disability sticker and is entitled to part in handicapped spaces. I do not. When I am driving the car the sticker is still displayed but I never take advantage of it for myself because I do appreciate the need to reserve such spaces for the truly disabled.

Years ago I did have a confrontation with a couple of young women who pulled into a handicapped parking place that I needed for my very disabled, elderly aunt (who had her own sticker). I approached them firmly, stating that I needed the space for my aunt. They demurred saying that they were just ducking into the bank and wouldn't be there very long but I was not put off. Even more insistently I repeated that "I NEED THAT SPACE". They then drove off and I had the space. My point is that a lot depends on how you speak to people. There is no need to be abusive. There is no need to make or imply threats.

Drejka had no valid reason for his verbal abuse. He had no official capacity and did not need the space for himself.
It looks like he was hyped up and looking for a confrontation, knowing that he held an ace in his pocket.

 

[applecruncher]

If Drejka owned a home or had any assets or decent credit he could have been out of jail relatively quickly. If he had relatives of friends who cared about him, coming up with the bail would not have been a problem, AND those relatives/friends would be speaking out supporting him.

But instead.......crickets.

:whome:

 

[Shalimar]

If Drejka owned a home or had any assets or decent credit he could have been out of jail relatively quickly. If he had relatives of friends who cared about him, coming up with the bail would not have been a problem, AND those relatives/friends would be speaking out supporting him.

But instead.......crickets.

:whome:

Interesting. Usually, there would be support from people close to defendant.

 

[Butterfly]

Interesting posts
Camper6 can out run a person with a knife.
Proven that a person with a knife can close a 20ft. space before a person can draw a gun. Given that 20ft. closing, how is turning away a few feet from Drejka a guarantee that repositioning to cause further harm wouldn't have happened.


Warrigal.
Had not decided to berate the driver, had he minded his own business, the outcome would have been different.
You posted that in Paris people got involved to help you. You were happy they did. Why is wanting handicapped spaces kept open for handicapped different.


Butterfly
Where the car was parked was none of Dreka's business -- he was not law enforcement, or the landowner, or a handicapped person needing the space. He imagined himself as some sort of self-appointed parking vigilante, and probably was.
The mind reader at it with knowing what Drejka imagined. Ignoring a wrong works against the common good. I hope the logic of deciding it was none of Dreka's business never extends to people not wanting to get involved when it comes to "see something say something".


The SYG law favors Drejka. The video posted in #1 favors Drejka. Look up simple assault and what it says about provocation. Words between the driver, no gun, no physical contact, didn't even touch the car. Look at the instant assault on Drejka.


Emotion will be part of what takes place in the courtroom, so will explanation of the law and the facts that are visible.

We DO know that Drejka wasn't law enforcement, etc., and I do not think what he "imagined" is pertinent. The fact is that the woman's parking in a parking lot that was not his to control was none of his business.

As to your "see something, say something" comment -- yes, we are supposed to "say something" to authorities, not take on wrongdoers ourselves. This was a man verbally taking on a woman over a parking space, not someone trying to intervene in a situation to help someone else being attacked by bad guys.

The victim pushed Drejka because he believed (others had gone into the store and told him so) that Drejka was acting in a threatening manner towards his girlfriend, who had their children in the car. If anything, the victim had a fear that his family was under threat from Drejka.

No matter had you try to spin it:

1. Drejka had no legal right to enforce parking restrictions in that parking lot.

2. Drejka verbally assaulted the woman in the car (someone even went in the store to tell the victim that).

3. The unarmed victim came out and pushed Drejka away from the car containing his family, either knocking him down or causing him to fall.

4. Drejka pulled a weapon.

5. The victim was backing away and was not further threatening Drejka as Drejka fatally shot him.

 

[Butterfly]

I don't know and don't care.

His personal life has nothing to do with what took place.

But if personal life is of interest.
Why was the mother of 3 children not married to McGlocklun? What kind of job did she or he have? Was that unmarried couple drawing on any form of tax paid assistance?

How about we all wait until the justice system completes what it is in place to do? They are charged with dealing with the facts not the emotional peripheral issues

I strongly hope you are not implying that the marital or employment status or whether or not they were receiving government benefits has any bearing on the right or wrong of Drejka's actions.

 

[Gary O']

After I pull my weapon and I see the unarmed threat retreating (like in this case) would I fire ?.......no.

Can we set aside the personal quibbling for a moment and address Ike’s statement?

I haven’t studied the videos/pics

So please help here;
If what Ike sez is true….the guy was shot while retreating

The shooter is in no way under the umbrella of SYG


It’s murder

Gotta haul his hind end off to his new home

 

[Knight]

Some human beings are of the opinion that shooting an unarmed man is emotional.

Strange that right off the bat you question if McGlockton gf was getting public assistance. Hmmm. If you did some minimal basic research about who gets public assistance you'd be surprised.

Which leads back to the question ... how was Drejka supporting himself?

To use your lame line. Nice try

The point was personal info has nothing to do with how this will be resolved in the legal system. Do you think the state will bring Drejka's personal life into the procedings?

 

[n_brown]

Drejka is scheduled to make his first court appearance on Tuesday, at which time a judge will review his bond status and decide whether to appoint an attorney for Drejka, or if the defendant can afford to hire his own lawyer.


If convicted, Drejka faces up to 30 years in prison.

No sympathy for Drejka on my account, he was spoiling for a fight...over a handicap parking spot...give me a break. some kind of wannabe parking lot cop or???

He made his bed, let him sleep in it.

 

[applecruncher]

To use your lame line. Nice try

The point was personal info has nothing to do with how this will be resolved in the legal system. Do you think the state will bring Drejka's personal life into the procedings?

If you don't know or are embarrassed to answer the question about Drejka's income, it's okay. Don't worry - inability to focus is not a crime.

As far as what will happen at trial, go into your closet and get your crystal ball.

 

[IKE]

Can we set aside the personal quibbling for a moment and address Ike’s statement?

I haven’t studied the videos/pics

So please help here;
If what Ike sez is true….the guy was shot while retreating

The shooter is in no way under the umbrella of SYG


It’s murder

Gary the video plainly shows;

1. McGlockton push Drejka violently to the ground.

2. Drejka pulling and aiming his weapon at McGlockton.

3. McGlockton after seeing the weapon being aimed at him starts backing away.

4. Drejka firing.