Four Dead In Georgia High Schoo Shooting

[Della]

The mother age 43...has a record across four Georgia counties and includes drug use, domestic violence and property damage, as well as civil claims of fraud

The father... 54-year-old Colin Gray, is accused of buying his 14-year-old son Colt the AR-15-style rifle the boy used and was arrested Thursday on several counts of second degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children

The killer..as he appeared in court today...

The ... innocent victims...

2 teachers & 2 Pupils...

Colin Gray appeared in court, and started shaking and rocking in his seat when the Judge told him he could face a life sentence..

click on this link to scroll down to see the video..
Georgia school shooter Colt Gray and his father Colin in court

What Colt Gray's mother really looks like:

Those photoshopped images people put on their Facebook sites might as well be Minnie Mouse they're so unrecognizable.
This awful woman beat up a 73 year-old woman, threw her against a wall and bound her arms and ankles.

 

[Brookswood]

Don’t forget the nine other people who were shot. I can’t imagine what it must be like to get hit by a slug from a weapon of that caliber.

 

[WheatenLover]

Yet another sad, awful, senseless tragedy! At least the police response was good. The politicians who aren't doing anything to change the gun laws can keep their thoughts and prayers. Taking action would be better. @Paladin1950 Your meme is on point! May the victims R.I.P. and condolences to their families. I'm glad to know that the wounded are going to be alright.

The adults at the school had, one week earlier, begun wearing a card on a lanyard, from a company called Centegix. This card notified LE and staff, including the 2 school resource officers who confronted and subdued the suspect. This technology notified first responders and made it possible for help to arrive very quickly.

From https://www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-5101890/apalachee-high-school-shooting-charges-investigation

A piece of technology helped with the quick response to the shooting​

Smith credited Centegix — an emergency alert technology — for alerting first responders to Wednesday’s shooting.

The Atlanta-based company produces a credit card-sized ID that can be worn on a lanyard. The ID has a button that staff can press to immediately alert the school, other staff, and law enforcement about health or safety issues that occur on campus, NPR member station WABE reported.

“It alerts us that there’s an active situation at a school. That was pressed. We’ve had that for about a week now,” Smith told reporters at a news conference Wednesday evening.

 

[Brookswood]

So a kid is cutting class, threatening to shoot up school, dying hair and has career criminal mother-this is why they have school shrinks, counselors, administrators etc. The dad screwed up I get that but isn't this the exact type of student all those non academic personnel in a school are supposed to spot or help?

Who says they didn’t?

 

[WheatenLover]

The AR type assault rifles are designed for combat, "pray and spray" high volume of rounds against hostile forces.

I just talked to someone who assured me that the type of gun used in this shooting holds a .22 bullet and is innacurate (useless) for shooting deer. So, if that's the case, that this is a penny-ante gun, how could the shooter have done so much damage in such a small amount of time?

My guess, Nathan, is that this is not a penny-ante gun. (The GBI hasn't identified the weapon to the press, according to the FAQ on their website, nor provided a timeline of the shooting.)

 

[hollydolly]

Ultimately 2 things are eventually going to happen if a new law isn't made to curb this type of killing..

Either no adult will ever want to teach in a school where they will be putting their lives on the line, and therefore pupils will end up being taught remotely by zoom... or Teachers will go to work dressed in Body armour...

 

[Nathan]

I just talked to someone who assured me that the type of gun used in this shooting holds a .22 bullet and is innacurate (useless) for shooting deer. So, if that's the case, that this is a penny-ante gun, how could the shooter have done so much damage in such a small amount of time?

My guess, Nathan, is that this is not a penny-ante gun. (The GBI hasn't identified the weapon to the press, according to the FAQ on their website, nor provided a timeline of the shooting.)

Oh OK, I thought that it had been said that it was an AR type weapon, I guess at some point it will be identified.

 

[WheatenLover]

Oh OK, I thought that it had been said that it was an AR type weapon, I guess at some point it will be identified.

Yeah, but what I want to know about AR type rifles is whether they are really not that great of weapons in terms of mass shootings.

And while I'm typing, I also want to say (not just to you, Nathan) that I am very proud of how quickly and courageously the LE of this small ("podunk") town arrived at the school. Not only did the school police officers show great courage, but so did all of the first responders. They also acted decisively and no doubt saved lives, not only in the quick arrest of the suspect, but also in the treatment of the wounded. I am certain that since this kid killed 4 people that the people who were injured were in similar peril.

Also, being such a small town (and I've lived in a couple for the last 15 years), I am surprised Winder acquired the technology, and could afford to do so, that permitted the school employees to immediately sound the alarm to LE and their fellow employees. The employees had those cards for only a week. Now I wish some group of billionaires would supply every school in the nation with that technology. Unfortunately, money can't buy courage.

This is not a podunk town -- one that is small, rural, and unimportant. In the midst of this tragedy, the people did their best, with my admiration.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, but what I want to know about AR type rifles is whether they are really not that great of weapons in terms of mass shootings.

A typical AR weapon fires a .223 round, which is hardly bigger than a .22 round, but the cartridge is longer and has more gun powder to produce a much greater muzzle velocity. Higher muzzle velocity carries with it more Kinetic energy, which equates to greater wounding / killing potential.

 

[WheatenLover]

A typical AR weapon fires a .223 round, which is hardly bigger than a .22 round, but the cartridge is longer and has more gun powder to produce a much greater muzzle velocity. Higher muzzle velocity carries with it more Kinetic energy, which equates to greater wounding / killing potential.

Thank you Nathan.

 

[oslooskar]

The truth: People with guns kill people.

The complete truth: People with guns kill people without guns, as evidenced on October 7 in Israel. In fact, come to think of it, people with machetes killed between five hundred thousand and eight hundred thousand defenseless men, women, and children in Rwanda who had no firearms to protect themselves.

 

[Della]

The complete truth: People with guns kill people without guns, as evidenced on October 7 in Israel. In fact, come to think of it, people with machetes killed between five hundred thousand and eight hundred thousand defenseless men, women, and children in Rwanda who had no firearms to protect themselves.

People with guns kill people with guns all the time.

 

[old medic]

perhaps if the USA makes it illegal for any parent to buy or permit any child under 21 who lives in their home... to be in possession of any type of gun..

Then please explain how a young person is going to learn how to safely handle and operate a firearm. Through video games????

 

[MrPants]

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[oslooskar]

People with guns kill people with guns all the time.

While it’s true that people with guns often kill others who also have guns, the argument oversimplifies the context. Armed confrontations between individuals or groups, such as gangs or military forces, are different from situations where an entire population is disarmed and vulnerable to oppression or genocide. Historically, genocides target defenseless populations who are often unarmed. Examples include the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, and the Rwandan Genocide, where the victims were largely unable to resist because they were systematically disarmed and left defenseless by oppressive regimes.

 

[JustDave]

The New York Times has an opinion piece today, that questions the illegitimacy of holding parents responsible for their child's use of guns to commit mass murder. From a legal standpoint it makes sense, but from an ethical standpoint, not so much. But what does ethics have to do with the law? I can see both sides of this issue, but it's too murky for me to understand with a high degree of clarity. The following quote is just the first couple of paragraphs, but it summarizes most of the opinion piece:

Opinion | Blaming a Parent, Again, for Failed Gun Laws

If you’re cheering on the charges brought against Colin Gray, the father of our nation’s latest school shooting suspect, it’s worth asking yourself how, exactly, he broke the law.

His 14-year-old son, Colt Gray, has been charged with opening fire at school on Wednesday, killing four people. The assault-style rifle he was accused of using was reportedly a Christmas gift from his dad.

But the Grays live in Georgia, where giving your son an AR-15-style rifle is not, in itself, a crime. (The laws appear to be stricter about handguns.) Nor does Georgia have a law requiring Mr. Gray to safely lock away his guns. Georgia is notorious for having some of the weakest gun laws in the country.....

 

[hollydolly]

The New York Times has an opinion piece today, that questions the illegitimacy of holding parents responsible for their child's use of guns to commit mass murder. From a legal standpoint it makes sense, but from an ethical standpoint, not so much. But what does ethics have to do with the law? I can see both sides of this issue, but it's too murky for me to understand with a high degree of clarity. The following quote is just the first couple of paragraphs, but it summarizes most of the opinion piece:

Opinion | Blaming a Parent, Again, for Failed Gun Laws

I agree with you, watching all this from outside the woods so to speak. I'm learning all the time, abut how the USA laws work...or don't as the case may be...

 

[old medic]

While it’s true that people with guns often kill others who also have guns, the argument oversimplifies the context. Armed confrontations between individuals or groups, such as gangs or military forces, are different from situations where an entire population is disarmed and vulnerable to oppression or genocide. Historically, genocides target defenseless populations who are often unarmed. Examples include the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, and the Rwandan Genocide, where the victims were largely unable to resist because they were systematically disarmed and left defenseless by oppressive regimes.

Millions of AR type weapons are in the hands of millions of American's that cause no harm every day. Its unfortunate that thousands of people are killed each year by all firearms, but true statistics are that AR style are a small percentage of these. But anytime there is a chance to sensationalize an assault with one, the media runs wild with it, and talking heads scream BAN BAN BAN.
As the Meme I seen the other day, and have requested a T-Shirt...
Its not a weapon of war.
Unless you try taking it.

 

[Della]

While it’s true that people with guns often kill others who also have guns, the argument oversimplifies the context. Armed confrontations between individuals or groups, such as gangs or military forces, are different from situations where an entire population is disarmed and vulnerable to oppression or genocide. Historically, genocides target defenseless populations who are often unarmed. Examples include the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, and the Rwandan Genocide, where the victims were largely unable to resist because they were systematically disarmed and left defenseless by oppressive regimes.

What's oversimplified is trying to scare Americans in 2024 with statistics about the Holocaust and Rowanda.

That threat for our children today is not genocide, it's that guns are the leading cause of death among American children and teens.

Millions of AR type weapons are in the hands of millions of American's that cause no harm every day. Its unfortunate that thousands of people are killed each year by all firearms, but true statistics are that AR style are a small percentage of these. But anytime there is a chance to sensationalize an assault with one, the media runs wild with it, and talking heads scream BAN BAN BAN.
As the Meme I seen the other day, and have requested a T-Shirt...
Its not a weapon of war.
Unless you try taking it.

Tell me what they're good for?

 

[JBR]

Like the aunt, I, "came out shortly after the killer's arrest complaining he would be charged as an adult." You know why? Because he's not an adult.

I find your opinion interesting. People have opinions, I'm not critical of you expressing yours. My own top-of-the-head reaction was different, I'd said:

I can't imagine any 14-year-old who doesn't comprehend the finality & gravity of shooting a bunch of people, at school or anywhere else. Personally, I feel this shooter should be tried as an adult. I take it that view is shared by many citizens of Georgia.

I expressed the feeling that premeditated multiple murders, plus injury of several other people, are simply what they are at face value. I suppose I did not feel a conviction should necessarily land Colt in a prison teeming with grown-up, hardened criminals. Still, anyway, if convicted he'll reach majority while incarcerated.

I'm a person who likes to re-examine his own views. I respect your opinion, Della, and I'm not replying in order to have an argument here. Please explain how you look at this question of how this type of underaged defendant should be tried.

 

[Paco Dennis]

For mass shootings by minors, if you really want a sentence that would serve as a deterrent, then every person that is found connected in anyway to this act should get life in prison. Parents, salesmen, gun manufactures, admonition manufactures, and any friends that encouraged this or knew and said nothing.

 

[George1959]

People with guns kill people with guns all the time.

Then force people without guns to carry guns too, that they can defend themselves. In Israel there were armed women who saved the people of their kibbutz from the attacks of the terrorists because they had guns to defend it. Violence must face violence too and not that 'Gutmenschen' speak, (which means 'goodpeople', which is very pejorative in our language) who want to excuse attacks for whatever reason. I'm glad that the settlers in Israel are allowed to carry guns to defend themselves.

 

[Della]

Then force people without guns to carry guns too, that they can defend themselves. In Israel there were armed women who saved the people of their kibbutz from the attacks of the terrorists because they had guns to defend it. Violence must face violence too and not that 'Gutmenschen' speak, (which means 'goodpeople', which is very pejorative in our language) who want to excuse attacks for whatever reason. I'm glad that the settlers in Israel are allowed to carry guns to defend themselves.

What are you asking me? Someone above said people with guns kill people without guns, and I argued that people with guns also kill people with guns,all the time.

Now you're saying that, then people should be forced to carry guns. The "then" in this case doesn't make sense.

Gang wars have people with guns fighting each other all the time. why make everyone carry guns so that they can shoot back and forth at each other? This doesn't make for less gun death, just more. When I grew up, outside a big city, I never once heard of anyone shooting anyone else, let alone a school shooting. Now we have more people with guns and more gun death. So why do you think even more guns will solve the problem?

I don't live in Israel and I have no wish to live in a country where everyone walks around armed so they can shoot at each other. How is that a better society?

 

[oslooskar]

What's oversimplified is trying to scare Americans in 2024 with statistics about the Holocaust and Rowanda. That threat for our children today is not genocide, it's that guns are the leading cause of death among American children and teens.

The mention of genocides like the Holocaust and Rwanda isn’t meant to scare people unnecessarily, but rather to remind us that disarming a population can have catastrophic consequences when governments or regimes go unchecked. While we are not facing genocide today, it's crucial to recognize that disarming citizens removes an important safeguard against potential future oppression, especially in a world where political climates can change unpredictably. Hence, history is important because it shows us how dangerous it can be when populations are left defenseless in the face of oppression.

 

[oslooskar]

Tell me what they're good for?

They're good for saving human lives! A study by criminologist Gary Kleck in the 1990s, estimated 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually. Kleck's study included instances where a gun was brandished but not necessarily fired. The CDC has cited estimates that range between 500,000 to 3 million DGUs per year. And those statistics are just for the United States alone.