George Floyd was a victim

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sunny said:
Win, LOL! 😄

Keesha, well put. According to everything I've read and seen about this, the man was NOT resisting arrest. So how in heaven's name could this be "acceptable" by any civilized jurisdiction?
Click to expand...

I don't even see how he could significantly resist if he is face down on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back.

Not to mention that the pressure continued to be applied for about two minutes after he was evidently at least unconscious, if not dead.
 



[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of this speculation is based on the fact that Floyd and the officer charged with his murder worked at the same nightclub. No evidence yet that they knew each other. Much will come out at trial.

The question now is whether state District Attorney Keith Ellison -- a race-baiting rabble-rouser if ever one lived -- will seek conviction or deliberately blow the case in hopes of getting a "not guilty" verdict and more rioting. Ellison, of course, was accused of abusing his life partner. He's a Muslim convert and a Farrakhan devotee, photographed in 2017 happily clutching a copy of The Antifa Handbook.

Sounds like just the man to handle the case.
[/QUOTE]

I believe the case has been kicked up to the state attorney general and is no longer being handled by the DA's office.
 

Something to think about:
Here are some arrests of murderers and mass murderers: (no comparison to a counterfeit cash suspect who was innocent until proven guilty.)
Charles Manson & several of his followers
Brenda Spencer (Killed 2 elementary school students)
Gary Gilmore (killed 2 during robbery)
Ted Bundy (killed at least 8 women)
Mark Chapman (killed John Lennon)
Lynette Fromme (attempted to kill President Ford)
Sirhan Sirhan (killed Robert Kennedy & wounded several others)
John Hinckley Jr. (shot President Reagan & wounded several others)
Lee Harvey Oswald (killed President Kennedy and also killed a police officer when confronted)
Richard Ramirez (killed at least 12 people in their homes while they were sleeping)

They were all arrested without incident. No beating, no choking. What do they have in common?
None of them were black.
 
Last edited:
Found this about George Floyd on another news forum,

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.
 
Robert59 said:
Found this about George Floyd on another news forum,

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.
Click to expand...
OMG Did you not read this thread from the beginning?

This thread BEGAN with comments on his violent past, that he was far from perfect, that he’d done prison time, threatened a pregnant woman with a gun.

SO WHAT????? He was not being executed for his past crimes. He was being arrested for allegedly attempting to pass a counterfeit $20 bill, during which time a police officer knelt on his neck for almost 9 minutes, 2 minutes PAST the point where he became completely unresponsive. He was deprived of oxygen resulting in his death.

He was murdered.
 
Robert59 said:
Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd.
Click to expand...

I seriously doubt that Floyd was the "angel" that some of the media is trying to portray him as being. More likely...he was a "half a$$ed" criminal that happened to cross paths with a psycho cop. Unfortunately, for the nation, we have no shortage of people who react without knowing the facts, and are using this event as an excuse to vent their own personal shortcomings, as they loot and riot.

As I grow older, the more convinced I become that most people create their own problems.
 
Robert59 said:
Found this about George Floyd on another news forum,

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.
Click to expand...
Rapper Nipsey Hussle also had a criminal history & was a gang member. Does that mean we shouldn't punish his murderer?
 
As far as I have read so far there has not been any proven facts about any past criminal acts. I prefer to wait until the facts come out as to past behavior. The officer holding him down DID have 17 complaints against him. Those standing by are now being charged also. They could have taken the officer off him but chose not to do anything. Just my opinion so no vile judgements, please. My brother served as an officer and homicide detective on the Miami task force for over 25 years and is very upset about the way things were handled.
 
Robert59 said:
Found this about George Floyd on another news forum,

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.
It would seem that the man who the Press refers to as a "gentle giant" and a virtual pillar of the community, it's also time for those who are only willing to focus on the cop's history of people filing complaints about him, it's only fair and equal to show the rest of the story.
Click to expand...

Whatever his past crimes were or were not are not and whether or not he was a pillar of the community -- neither are relevant in any way to the way he died and the fact that he was killed by cops on the street.

Cops don't get to make judgments about who lives or dies or how to treat people in the streets based on prior bad acts.

The officer's bad history shows a pattern and brings into question why he was still on the force, but even if he had been a perfect angel before this does not in any way alter the fact that as a result of his actions Mr. Floyd died.
 
I think a lot of this speculation is based on the fact that Floyd and the officer charged with his murder worked at the same nightclub. No evidence yet that they knew each other. Much will come out at trial.

The question now is whether state District Attorney Keith Ellison -- a race-baiting rabble-rouser if ever one lived -- will seek conviction or deliberately blow the case in hopes of getting a "not guilty" verdict and more rioting. Ellison, of course, was accused of abusing his life partner. He's a Muslim convert and a Farrakhan devotee, photographed in 2017 happily clutching a copy of The Antifa Handbook.

Sounds like just the man to handle the case.
[/QUOTE]

I believe the case has been kicked up to the state attorney general and is no longer being handled by the DA's office.
[/QUOTE]
You are right, but Ellison is the state AG, not the DA. My mistake. He is still the same person.
 
win231 said:
Something to think about:
Here are some arrests of murderers and mass murderers: (no comparison to a counterfeit cash suspect who was innocent until proven guilty.)
Charles Manson & several of his followers
Brenda Spencer (Killed 2 elementary school students)
Gary Gilmore (killed 2 during robbery)
Ted Bundy (killed at least 8 women)
Mark Chapman (killed John Lennon)
Lynette Fromme (attempted to kill President Ford)
Sirhan Sirhan (killed Robert Kennedy & wounded several others)
John Hinckley Jr. (shot President Reagan & wounded several others)
Lee Harvey Oswald (killed President Kennedy and also killed a police officer when confronted)
Richard Ramirez (killed at least 12 people in their homes while they were sleeping)

They were all arrested without incident. No beating, no choking. What do they have in common?
None of them were black.
Click to expand...



Look up

John Allen Muhammad
Lee Boyd Malvo
Dwight Lamon Jones
Willie Cory Godbolt
Colin Ferguson
Nathan Dunlap

All mass shooters/serial killers, all arrested, all black.

And please keep in mind that black people, while constituting only about 12 percent of the population, commit more than half of all violent crimes. This leads to a disproportionate number of encounters with the police and a disproportionate number of adverse events.

The George Floyd episode was tragic and the officers should be prosecuted, but a little context is helpful.
 
win231 said:
Something to think about:
Here are some arrests of murderers and mass murderers: (no comparison to a counterfeit cash suspect who was innocent until proven guilty.)
Charles Manson & several of his followers
Brenda Spencer (Killed 2 elementary school students)
Gary Gilmore (killed 2 during robbery)
Ted Bundy (killed at least 8 women)
Mark Chapman (killed John Lennon)
Lynette Fromme (attempted to kill President Ford)
Sirhan Sirhan (killed Robert Kennedy & wounded several others)
John Hinckley Jr. (shot President Reagan & wounded several others)
Lee Harvey Oswald (killed President Kennedy and also killed a police officer when confronted)
Richard Ramirez (killed at least 12 people in their homes while they were sleeping)

They were all arrested without incident. No beating, no choking. What do they have in common?
None of them were black.
Click to expand...
Agreed!
 
JimBob1952 said:
The George Floyd episode was tragic and the officers should be prosecuted, but a little context is helpful.
Click to expand...

NO. Just...no.

In most cases I would heartily agree with you. In THIS case, I vehemently OPPOSE that statement. Context has no bearing WHATEVER. It is inconsequential to what happened, and doesn't, or at least shouldn't, influence one's viewpoint about this.

I have yet to find even ONE statement that conflicts with the facts of the case, facts which so far everyone agrees with.

Mr. Floyd was black
He was detained by police, and his hands were cuffed behind his back.
He was not actively resisting arrest
He was on the ground, on his stomach, with his hands still handcuffed behind him
Mr. Chauvin knelt on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes 46 seconds
Mr. Floyd was heard stating repeatedly that he couldn't breathe.
Mr. Chauvin did not remove his knee even after Mr. Floyd lost consciousness.
Mr. Chauvin continued to kneel on George Floyd's neck for a full minute after paramedics arrived at the scene.
Mr. Floyd died while Mr. Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.

These are uncontested statements. Video footage, eyewitness statements, surveillance tapes confirm all of these points.

Neither Mr. Floyd's criminal record nor the numerous complaints against Officer Chauvin change the undisputed facts.
 
Last edited:
Ronni said:
NO. Just...no.

In most cases I would heartily agree with you. In THIS case, I vehemently OPPOSE that statement. Context has no bearing WHATEVER. It is inconsequential to what happened, and doesn't, or at least shouldn't, influence one's viewpoint about this.

I have yet to find even ONE statement that conflicts with the facts of the case, facts which so far everyone agrees with.

Mr. Floyd was black
He was detained by police, and his hands were cuffed behind his back.
He was not actively resisting arrest
He was on the ground, on his stomach, with his hands still handcuffed behind him
Mr. Chauvin knelt on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes 46 seconds
Mr. Floyd was heard stating repeatedly that he couldn't breathe.
Mr. Chauvin did not remove his knee even after Mr. Floyd lost consciousness.
Mr. Chauvin continued to kneel on George Floyd's neck for a full minute after paramedics arrived at the scene.
Mr. Floyd died while Mr. Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.

These are uncontested statements. Video footage, eyewitness statements, surveillance tapes confirm all of these points.

Neither Mr. Floyd's criminal record nor the numerous complaints against Officer Chauvin change the undisputed facts.
Click to expand...
What do you think would happen if Mr. Floyd was white? The facts would still be the same. His family would have same responses as Mr. Floyd‘s family. They would want the same officers charged. They would sue for wrongful death as well.

But there would be no protestors, no riots, and months later there would be a notice in a newspaper, a small blip on the TV, that the officer went to jail, the family got their money, and life goes on.
 
America has turned a corner, and will never be the same. What I am hearing from all the millions who are grieving and protesting is, "Enough is enough!"

For those who keep yapping on with that nonsense about "If he had not been engaged in criminal activity in the first place, blah blah blah..." I wonder if they think that a murder victim has to be as pure as the driven snow in order to be a murder victim? If they ever did anything wrong, well then, they deserved what happened to them. And the police officer was an agent of moral righteousness.
 
Here's a story that ran in today's paper, which I think is relevant. Yet another murder of a black man by police. This one was in Louisville. A black owner owner of a barbecue stand, who was a beloved figure (including by the police, who frequently ate there), was shot and killed by police who saw a group of people partying (not even demonstrating!) in violation of a curfew. Instead of issuing a warning and trying to clear the crowd, the police immediately started shooting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tal-shooting-doesnt-add-up/?itid=ap_timcarman
 
PLEASE read my entire previous post? Please watch the videos from the Park City officer's cam! There was nothing brutal about the arrest. Once he was ARRESTED and ask to get on the ground and he complied and the ONE officer had his knee on his neck restricting breathing, then that was excessive force and BRUTAL and I believe intentionally to kill him. There is no evidence of him being beaten, slammed to the ground, head bashed against the car, or any action that is considered BRUTAL during the arrest, but ONCE ARRESTED AND RESTRAINED the knee on the neck became BRUTAL.

Please read my other post again. This whole arrest doesn't have any elements of a racial killing other than the ONE officer that killed him was considered "white." It does have elements of police corruption and involvement in organized crime. I am not saying Floyd was a bad person or a criminal, just that he knew something and they had to silence him. Why all the rush to judgment and trying to hurry investigators to make charges? No lawyer wants to try a case they have no chance of winning and also those that seek political gain must rush before a complete investigation is complete because they stand a chance of their cause being dispelled.

Mob action isn't justice. Rioting, looting, and murder of innocent folks trying to protect their business isn't justice, especially when based solely on that the officer was one race and the arrested and killed, another. This site prohibits political discussions so this is all I am going to say. I have said all that can be said as a hot topic and current event. Please watch the Park City officer videos of the arrest and the original video of the killing several times. Then watch the video of the black retired police officer protecting his friend's business and the "protesters" of the Floyd murder shooting him in the head. I find it rather juvenile that when one expresses their opinions and gives reasons for that opinion and they get a response of Cite your Sources.

My sources are being an eyewitness to a brutal crime and the cover-up by law enforcement over 50 years ago. Hours spent with an Attorney General, testifying before a Grand Jury, endless hours of questioning by police investigators, and watching the closest person in the world to me die. She was shot while driving on a back rural road (she was mistaken for someone else) the vehicle overturned and was set on fire by others involved to make this mistake look like an accident. When I heard the shot I took off running and she was still alive screaming but that quickly stopped as the flames killed her and I stood helpless and numb. I remember the smell of burning flesh and the fire being put out by other neighbors and the funeral home coming and taking the charred body. No police showed up until hours later. No autopsy was done as they said the body was too burned.

I and others heard the gunshot but hours of police telling us we really didn't and maybe it was a vehicle backfire. I was always intrigued with solving mysteries, but this changed everything. I spent a lot of time reading about crimes, cover-ups, and justice. I have also witnessed a shooting standing about six feet from the shooter. I have also witnessed an attempted strangling. The sounds uddered weren't understandable. Just my opinion based on my life experience ... this was a hit ... 1st-degree murder. Watching all the videos of the arrest and finally, the kill instead of listening to the media or quoting others analysis is my SOURCE! My experienced brain along with my eyes and ears, is my source. and as I said this is my opinion based on the facts we see in all the videos.
 
Last edited:
MsFox said:
PLEASE read my entire previous post? Please watch the videos from the Park City officer's cam! There was nothing brutal about the arrest. Once he was ARRESTED and ask to get on the ground and he complied and the ONE officer had his knee on his neck restricting breathing, then that was excessive force and BRUTAL and I believe intentionally to kill him. There is no evidence of him being beaten, slammed to the ground, head bashed against the car, or any action that is considered BRUTAL during the arrest, but ONCE ARRESTED AND RESTRAINED the knee on the neck became BRUTAL. Please read my other post again. This whole arrest doesn't have any elements of a racial killing other than the ONE officer that killed him was considered "white." It does have elements of police corruption and involvement in organized crime. I am not saying Floyd was a bad person or a criminal, just that he knew something and they had to silence him. Why all the rush to judgment and trying to hurry investigators to make charges? No lawyer wants to try a case they have no chance of winning and also those that seek political gain must rush before a complete investigation is complete because they stand a chance of their cause being dispelled. Mob action isn't justice. Rioting, looting, and murder of innocent folks trying to protect their business isn't justice, especially when based solely on that the officer was one race and the arrested and killed, another. This site prohibits political discussions so this is all I am going to say. I have said all that can be said as a hot topic and current event. Please watch the Park City officer videos of the arrest and the original video of the killing several times. Then watch the video of the black retired police officer protecting his friend's business and the "protesters" of the Floyd murder shooting him in the head. I find it rather juvenile that when one expresses their opinions and gives reasons for that opinion and they get a response of Cite your Sources. My sources are being an eyewitness to a brutal crime and the cover-up by law enforcement over 50 years ago. Hours spent with an Attorney General, testifying before a Grand Jury, endless hours of questioning by police investigators, and watching the closest person in the world to me die. She was shot while driving on a back rural road (she was mistaken for someone else) the vehicle overturned and was set on fire by others involved to make this mistake look like an accident. When I heard the shot I took off running and she was still alive screaming but that quickly stopped as the flames killed her and I stood helpless and numb. I remember the smell of burning flesh and the fire being put out by other neighbors and the Hurst coming and taking the charred body. No police showed up until hours later. No autopsy was done as they said the body was too burned. I and others heard the gunshot but hours of police telling us we really didn't and maybe it was a vehicle backfire. I was always intrigued with solving mysteries, but this changed everything. I spent a lot of time reading about crimes, cover-ups, and justice. I have also witnessed a shooting standing about six feet from the shooter. I have also witnessed an attempted strangling. The sounds uddered weren't understandable. Just my opinion based on my life experience ... this was a hit and 1st-degree murder. Watching all the videos of the arrest and finally, the kill instead of listening to the media or quoting others analysis is my SOURCE! My experienced brain along with my eyes and ears, is my source. and as I said this is my opinion based on the facts we see in all the videos.
Click to expand...
You really should make paragraphs so this is readable.
 
No it hasn't been proven that the money was counterfeit. A guilty man would have fled, an innocent man has no need to run. So yes he could have been checking social media.
Click to expand...

Or he could have been using his GPS. Most of us do that when driving to an unfamiliar location. There are all sorts of reasons why he did not take off immediately. So what?

Aneeda, you are floudering here, trying to make a case against the black people. It isn't working. And childishily yapping away and then declaring that you've put various people on "ignore" doesn't help your case any. It just shows how insecure you are about getting any feedback for the highly inflammatory posts you are writing. Maybe it's time to grow up?

(I know, she can't take my advice, because she has me on ignore.) 😄
 
Watch this several times and make notes on what you see. What about the others that were taken out of the police car? Two other dark-skinned people were taken out of the car. Why didn't they kill them? Why was Floyd singled out? I know this is disappointing to many, but I don't see this as a racial murder. A murder, but for some other reason. There is way more to this case than just the one video of the killing. The facts are never revealed in a rush to judgment.
 

Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top