George Floyd was a victim

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Sure. I wouldn’t expect any more from ‘you.’


So I should what ?.... just roll over and agree with you ?

You see things your way, and I'll do the same..... Until all [official] facts are gathered , and evidence produced.

Frankly, I hope he [officer Chauvin] gets one each, [one you & one I] on his jury. At least at that, it is very likely, all evidence will be looked at closely.
 

Two videos

One showing him in a car with two others. A man on the right side with the door open. Two cops approach the "suspect" that supposedly passed a counterfeit $20.00 bill. So here we have a criminal act but the suspected criminal didn't leave where the crime took place. Does that make sense? Wouldn't it be more likely if Floyd knew the $20.00 was counterfeit he would leave? Instead when the two officers came over the two companions got out stood off to the side while Floyd got out of the car was handcuffed and sat against a wall.


Other video while handcuffed Floyd is now face down on the pavement, one police officer kneeling on his neck & back while yet another is on his lower torso.

Seems to me a prosecutor would use those two videos to prove any charges that fit what the law deems appropriate.
 
So I should what ?.... just roll over and agree with you ?

You see things your way, and I'll do the same..... Until all [official] facts are gathered , and evidence produced.

Frankly, I hope he [officer Chauvin] gets one each, [one you & one I] on his jury. At least at that, it is very likely, all evidence will be looked at closely.
Did I say that? No! Do whatever you want to do. I don’t care.
 

Haha. 🤣 Thats ok. I’m not in law enforcement or prosecution and luckily neither are you. 🤠

"luckily neither are you. "

So if you, or a loved one were on trial , for your life, or a large portion of it [loss of freedom] you would not want a person like myself [ one that chooses to look deeply at all the facts/evidence] on the jury, in the prosecutors office ?

Would you rather have someone that operates primarily on emotion ?
 
"luckily neither are you. "

So if you, or a loved one were on trial , for your life, or a large portion of it [loss of freedom] you would not want a person like myself [ one that chooses to look deeply at all the facts/evidence] on the jury, in the prosecutors office ?

Would you rather have someone that operates primarily on emotion ?
I’m not repeating this . We both discussed facts. You chose to view them with blinders on and ignore reality that all the villains were charged with murder as they should be. If you were in a prosecutors office, it didn’t help you at all.

We debated this topic and you lost the argument by not viewing facts as they were but only by what you wished they were.

Anyway I have nothing left to discuss with you.
 
I’m not repeating this . We both discussed facts. You chose to view them with blinders on and ignore reality that all the villains were charged with murder as they should be. If you were in a prosecutors office, it didn’t help you at all.

We debated this topic and you lost the argument by not viewing facts as they were but only by what you wished they were.

Anyway I have nothing left to discuss with you.


I'm not repeating this.....I disagree with you, and you are letting emotion rule you. Now it appears you are more concerned with "winning" an argument with me ..... then finding true justice.

"by not viewing facts as they were but only by what you wished they were."

Right back at'cha.
 
For those who missed it:

rgp Saturday 7:02pm Post #190
"I never said he didn't ... although I still have my doubts, early on.. And IMO it still is not "emotion".

And now, you know my intent ? my thoughts ?"


rgp Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"


This is someone who would be in denial about what was said, even when given quoted proof. This is someone who doesn't care about facts.
 
For those who missed it:

rgp Saturday 7:02pm Post #190
"I never said he didn't ... although I still have my doubts, early on.. And IMO it still is not "emotion".

And now, you know my intent ? my thoughts ?"


rgp Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"


This is someone who would be in denial about what was said, even when given quoted proof. This is someone who doesn't care about facts.
Yeah. Not emotion. Just plain denial. :sneaky:
 
For those who missed it:

rgp Saturday 7:02pm Post #190
"I never said he didn't ... although I still have my doubts, early on.. And IMO it still is not "emotion".

And now, you know my intent ? my thoughts ?"


rgp Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"


This is someone who would be in denial about what was said, even when given quoted proof. This is someone who doesn't care about facts.


"
And now, you know my intent ? my thoughts ?"

Yes, I said that. And no you do not.

And I said the one below it as well.........

And stand by it.

Normally I do like to try and define a person .... but since you to have no problem doing it too me I will.

You are a person that is just to willing to see what you choose to see, because it fits your narrative.
 
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Normally I do like to try and define a person .... but since you to have no problem doing it too me I will.

You are a person that is just to willing to see what you choose to see, because it fits your narrative.

I hardly need to push any narratives when you clearly contradicted yourself. Once again...

rgp Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"


rgp Saturday 7:02pm Post #190
"I never said he didn't ... although I still have my doubts, early on.. And IMO it still is not "emotion".


Read your 2 quotes again. Read it a 100 times. You've been caught. I have no need to choose what I want to see. You've clearly shown who you are by those two quotes.
 
I hardly need to push any narratives when you clearly contradicted yourself. Once again...

rgp Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"


rgp Saturday 7:02pm Post #190
"I never said he didn't ... although I still have my doubts, early on.. And IMO it still is not "emotion".


Read your 2 quotes again. Read it a 100 times. You've been caught. I have no need to choose what I want to see. You've clearly shown who you are by those two quotes.


Your post doesn't even make sense....I know exactly what I said, and i stand by it. You seem more concerned with "catching me" dong "something" than debating the issue .

How are either of my posts stated above .... contradictory ?
 
Your post doesn't even make sense....I know exactly what I said, and i stand by it. You seem more concerned with "catching me" dong "something" than debating the issue .

How are either of my posts stated above .... contradictory ?

Then read those quotes 100 more times. Read your actual posts if it helps you. Quotes #39 and #190. The contradiction is as clear as day, Mr. Facts over emotions.
 
Then read those quotes 100 more times. Read your actual posts if it helps you. Quotes #39 and #190. The contradiction is as clear as day, Mr. Facts over emotions.



Yes he surrendered ... eventually ! But how much did he resist beforehand ?

I stand by my comments.
 
Yes he surrendered ... eventually ! But how much did he resist beforehand ?

I stand by my comments.


Now you're shifting the goalposts. Your original claim was that he didn't surrender at all.

rgp Thursday at 11:12 AM Post #39)
"That's why he should have surrendered to the arrest.....or did you miss that part somehow ?"
 
You are correct. Floyd did surrender. No argument there. It's rare for someone not to surrender after they are murdered.
Actually, he did not, dead is dead. There is nothing after death unless you believe, and maybe not even then.

Of all the comments you have made, whether I agreed or disagreed with you , this comment, the comment not you, is unintelligent and beneath what I have come to expect from you.
 
I just heard that many police departments are going to ban chokeholds. It is a tactic to appease the ignorant.
As they have in the past, police officers who enjoy brutality will use that as an excuse to use other means to assert their manhood.
The officer who supervised & participated in the Rodney King beating testified that due to the ban on chokeholds, they had to continue the beating.
Attorney: "Why did you resort to shooting the suspect?"
Officer: "Since we are no longer allowed to use the chokehold, we had no other way to make the arrest."
 
Actually, he did not, dead is dead. There is nothing after death unless you believe, and maybe not even then.

Of all the comments you have made, whether I agreed or disagreed with you , this comment, the comment not you, is unintelligent and beneath what I have come to expect from you.
It really breaks my heart that you find my comment unintelligent & beneath me. I don't think I'll ever sleep or eat again.

Try not to forget to take your meds.
 
Just now, watching The Reverend Jessie Jackson on Floyd’s service. Going into the third hour on tv. I know folks are going to not like what I say, but isn’t this a bit too much. Am I missing something here. If I am, explain it to me.
If Mr. Floyd had just died of some other cause, it wouldn't be a bit too much; he would have just been another everyday death. It's a bit too much because he was unjustly murdered by a police officer - something he didn't deserve.
 
It really breaks my heart that you find my comment unintelligent & beneath me. I don't think I'll ever sleep or eat again.

Try not to forget to take your meds.
OMGosh thanks for the reminder, I forgot to take them today. I knew you cared. 😍

Well, I rarely sleep and I’ve lost 15 pounds since the virus started so why should I be the only one?
 
Just now, watching The Reverend Jessie Jackson on Floyd’s service. Going into the third hour on tv. I know folks are going to not like what I say, but isn’t this a bit too much. Am I missing something here. If I am, explain it to me.
It’s too much for me, but I suppose it varies from person to person. Just bury him. I wonder whose paying for all this? The city probably. Hopefully he wanted to be buried by his mother. Again personal choice, hope somebody asked him before he died.

I am being cremated with no funeral, and buried as far away from my parents as possible. Just saying.
 
A fuller picture on who George Floyd was:

George Floyd, From ‘I Want to Touch the World’ to ‘I Can’t Breathe’
Mr. Floyd had big plans for life nearly 30 years ago. His death in police custody is powering a movement against police brutality and racial injustice.
NY Times 09June2020
Full article: https://www.nytimes.com/article/geo...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

(excerpt)... As a tight end, Mr. Floyd helped power his football team to the state championship game in 1992. In one exhilarating moment that was captured on video — and circulated after his death — Mr. Floyd soars above an opponent in the end zone to catch a touchdown pass.

After graduating from high school, Mr. Floyd left Texas on a basketball scholarship to South Florida Community College (now South Florida State College). “I was looking for a power forward and he fit the bill. He was athletic and I liked the way he handled the ball,” said George Walker, who recruited Mr. Floyd. “He was a starter and scored 12 to 14 points and seven to eight rebounds.”

Mr. Floyd transferred two years later, in 1995, to Texas A&M University’s Kingsville campus, but he did not stay long. He returned home to Houston — and to the Third Ward — without a degree.

Known locally as the Tré, the Third Ward, south of downtown, is among the city’s historic black neighborhoods, and it has been featured in the music of one of the most famous people to grow up there, Beyoncé. At times, life in the Bricks was unforgiving. Poverty, drugs, gangs and violence scarred many Third Ward families. Several of Mr. Floyd’s classmates did not live past their 20s.

Soon after returning, Mr. Floyd started rapping. He appeared as Big Floyd on mixtapes created by DJ Screw, a fixture in Houston’s hip-hop scene in the 1990s. His voice deep, his rhymes purposefully delivered at a slow-motion clip, Mr. Floyd rapped about “choppin’ blades” — driving cars with oversize rims — and his Third Ward pride.

For about a decade starting in his early 20s, Mr. Floyd had a string of arrests in Houston, according to court and police records. One of those arrests, for a $10 drug deal in 2004, cost him 10 months in a state jail.

Four years later, Mr. Floyd pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon and spent four years in prison. He was released in 2013 and returned home again — this time to begin the long, hard work of trying to turn his life around, using his missteps as a lesson for others.

Stephen Jackson, a retired professional basketball player from Port Arthur, Texas, met Mr. Floyd a year or two before Mr. Jackson joined the N.B.A. They had sports in common, Mr. Jackson said, but they also looked alike — enough to call each other “twin” as a term of endearment.

“I tell people all the time, the only difference between me and George Floyd, the only difference between me and my twin, the only difference between me and Georgie, is the fact that I had more opportunities,” he said, later adding, “If George would have had more opportunities, he might have been a pro athlete in two sports.”

After prison, Mr. Floyd became even more committed to his church. Inspired by a daughter, Gianna Floyd, born after he was released, Mr. Floyd spent a lot of time at Resurrection Houston, a church that holds many of its services on the basketball court in the middle of Cuney Homes. He would set up chairs and drag out to the center of the court the service’s main attraction — the baptism tub.

“We’d baptize people on the court and we’ve got this big old horse trough. And he’d drag that thing by himself onto that court,” said Patrick Ngwolo, a lawyer and pastor of Resurrection Houston, who described Mr. Floyd as a father figure for younger community residents.

Eventually, Mr. Floyd became involved in a Christian program with a history of taking men to Minnesota from the Third Ward and providing them with drug rehabilitation and job placement services. “When you say, ‘I’m going to Minnesota,’ everybody knows you’re going to this church-work program out of Minnesota,” Mr. Ngwolo said, “and you’re getting out of this environment.” His move would be a fresh start, Mr. Ngwolo said, his story one of redemption.

In Minnesota, Mr. Floyd lived in a red clapboard duplex with two roommates on the eastern edge of St. Louis Park, a leafy, gentrifying Minneapolis suburb. Beginning sometime in 2017, he worked as a security guard at the Salvation Army’s Harbor Light Center, a downtown homeless shelter and transitional housing facility. The staff members got to know Mr. Floyd as someone with a steady temperament, whose instinct to protect employees included walking them to their cars.

“It takes a special person to work in the shelter environment,” said Brian Molohon, executive director of development at the Salvation Army Northern Division. “Every day you are bombarded with heartache and brokenness.”

Even as Mr. Floyd settled into his position, he looked for other jobs. While working at the Salvation Army, he answered a job ad for a bouncer at Conga Latin Bistro, a restaurant and dance club. Jovanni Thunstrom, the owner, said Mr. Floyd quickly became part of the work family. He came in early and left late. And though he tried, he never quite mastered salsa dancing.

“Right away I liked his attitude,” said Mr. Thunstrom, who was also Mr. Floyd’s landlord. “He would shake your hand with both hands. He would bend down to greet you.”

Mr. Floyd kept a Bible by his bed. Often, he read it aloud. And despite his height, Mr. Floyd would fold himself in the hallway to frequently pray with Theresa Scott, one of his roommates. “He had this real cool way of talking. His voice reminded me of Ray Charles. He’d talk fast and he was so soft-spoken,” said Alvin Manago, 55, who met Mr. Floyd at a 2016 softball game. They bonded instantly and became roommates. “He had this low-pitched bass. You had to get used to his accent to understand him. He’d say, ‘Right-on, right-on, right-on.’”

Mr. Floyd spent the final weeks of his life recovering from the coronavirus, which he learned he had in early April. After he was better, he started spending more time with his girlfriend, and he had not seen his roommates in a few weeks, Mr. Manago said.

Like millions of people, his roommates in the city that was to be his fresh start watched the video that captured Mr. Floyd taking his last breaths. They heard him call out for his late mother — “Mama! Mama!”

On Tuesday morning, 15 days after that anguished cry, Mr. Floyd will be laid to rest beside her.
 

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