Good and Evil

Ina

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I'm not sure how to ask this, but I'll try anyway. I know what the answers would be from most religions, but some don't believe in any of them. So....... Where does good and evil come from, and what is it's purpose? I been thinking a lot about this, and I'd like to read your different opinions. :eek:nthego:
 
Good luck with that, Ina.

Every society back to prehistory has asked that same question, and many creation myths attempt to provide an answer.

All I can say is that it is a human quality. I don't think evil resides anywhere else in the natural world but I could be wrong about that. Studies of chimpanzees seems to indicate that they are more like humans than we have previously given them credit for.

All I can say is that sometimes I become aware of an action or a person that appears to me to be so reprehensible that I would apply the word 'evil' to it but that is a very subjective assessment.

I tend to think that like other abstract nouns like love, generosity, goodness, and their opposites, evil is a construct of the human mind and it has developed a general meaning that most people understand.

Some people have wanted to give the concept of evil a body or other physical form, and use snakes or mythical beasts to represent evil. The devil and Satan are representations of this concept that can be shown in artworks and even in this day and age, in movies. So are witches, goblins, demons and other popular bugaboos.

However, in the final analysis, evil is something that dwells within each of us. So is goodness, or God.
 
I can't improve on what Warri said.

As to purpose ... sometimes things don't HAVE a purpose - like nipples on a man, they just are.

... at least in MY philosophies. ;)
 
Oh, there's sure to be a plethora of explanations. Simply put, it's just a balancing act . . .

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I can't improve on what Warri said.

As to purpose ... sometimes things don't HAVE a purpose - like nipples on a man, they just are.

... at least in MY philosophies. ;)

LOLLLLLLLLL! Where do you get this stuff:lofl:don't tell me, I already know, LOL!!
 
I call myself an agnostic, but I have seen and been very close to evil. Then I've seen the seen and felt goodness. So, to me, they are real. So I wondered where these traits came from and why. Religion doesn't come into it for me.
 
As to purpose ... sometimes things don't HAVE a purpose - like nipples on a man, they just are.

... at least in MY philosophies. ;)

It's a matter of efficiency in the manufacturing process. To spend resources and time separating the two, male/female, for function would be an unacceptable cost overrun. We have computer printouts to defend our position. -- The Management.
 
It's a matter of efficiency in the manufacturing process. To spend resources and time separating the two, male/female, for function would be an unacceptable cost overrun. We have computer printouts to defend our position. -- The Management.

Yes, perfection always gets my vote, LOL!!
 
It's a matter of efficiency in the manufacturing process. To spend resources and time separating the two, male/female, for function would be an unacceptable cost overrun. We have computer printouts to defend our position. -- The Management.

Wait, what - there's no difference between the two?

I've been doing it wrong all these years?

--- Your Humble but Confused Employee
 
Wait, what - there's no difference between the two?

I've been doing it wrong all these years?

--- Your Humble but Confused Employee

Of course there are differences and we only concentrate on the important parts. You would know this had you studied your manual.
 
Of course there are differences and we only concentrate on the important parts. You would know this had you studied your manual.

I spent a LOT of time with self-ab ... um, self-study. I thought I found all the important parts.

*sigh*

I KNEW I should have gone for a Liberal Arts degree ...
 
I spent a LOT of time with self-ab ... um, self-study. I thought I found all the important parts.

*sigh*

I KNEW I should have gone for a Liberal Arts degree ...

It's good to remain teachable, wow, the things you can learn, I wouldn't miss a thing.
 
Good and bad are just part of human nature. During the evolutionary process I guess humans eventually discovered that doing good, and being co-operative, usually had a better outcome.
 
So why didn't they stick with it?

Because Eve came along.....seriously; I think everybody has a capacity for good or evil; it depends on so many things as to which way an individual goes.
am I off thread? If so, sorry.
 
Because Eve came along.....seriously; I think everybody has a capacity for good or evil; it depends on so many things as to which way an individual goes.
am I off thread? If so, sorry.

I don't think you are, but then I've been wrong before.

I agree that everyone has the necessary seeds for both good and evil within them - it's a Taoist principle. All it takes is for family or friends, society, or blind luck to tip you over to one side or the other, and a firm set of self-regulating principles is the only thing that can keep you in balance during those extreme times.

Being too good is just as harmful as being too bad ...
 
I don't think you are, but then I've been wrong before.

I agree that everyone has the necessary seeds for both good and evil within them - it's a Taoist principle. All it takes is for family or friends, society, or blind luck to tip you over to one side or the other, and a firm set of self-regulating principles is the only thing that can keep you in balance during those extreme times.

Being too good is just as harmful as being too bad ...

Finally, we're back on the topic.

The issue of good and evil is embedded in much of our literature and folklore because we cannot understand our species without examining it.

Two examples, both half remembered.

Graham Green's novel Brighton Rock is a crime novel in which the characters represent the spiritual concept of good/evil and the secular concept of right/wrong. They are subtly different in meaning and in how they influence our actions.

The other example is Roddenberry's take on the character of James Kirk in the original series. There is one episode where the captain is split into two versions of himself. One has all of his better qualities and the other his darker nature. The former is useless and the latter is very dangerous. The point being made is that we need both to be fully human and to survive as individuals and as a species. Additionally, Kirk, being fully human embodies good and evil, but Spock, representing intellect and logic, understands only right versus wrong.

Our dual nature is a theme of many old stories, including the native American parable of the two wolves within.

White Wolf -- Gray Wolf (Parable) [h=5] There was grandfather, his little grandson often came in the evenings to sit at his knee and ask the many questions that children ask. One day the grandson came to his grandfather with a look of anger on his face.

Grandfather said, "Come, sit, tell me what has happened today." The child sat and leaned his chin on his Grandfather's knee. Looking up into the wrinkled, nut brown face and the kind dark eyes; the child's anger turned to quiet tears.

The boy said, "I went to the town today, with my father, to trade the furs he has collected over the past several months. I was happy to go, because father said that since I had helped him with the trapping, I could get something for me. Something that I wanted.

I was so excited to be in the trading post, I have not been there before. I looked at many things and finally found a metal knife! It was small, but good size for me, so father got it for me."

Here the boy laid his head against his grandfather's knee and became silent. The Grandfather, softly placed his hand on the boys raven hair and said, "and then what happened?".

Without lifting his head, the boy said, "I went outside to wait for father, and to admire my new knife in the sunlight. Some town boys came by and saw me, they got all around me and starting saying bad things. They called me dirty and stupid and said that I should not have such a fine knife. The largest of these boys, pushed me back and I fell over one of the other boys. I dropped my knife and one of them snatched it up and they all ran away, laughing." Here the boy's anger returned, "I hate them, I hate them all!"

The Grandfather, with eyes that have seen too much, lifted his grandson's face so his eyes looked into the boy's. Grandfather said, "let me tell you a story. I too, at times, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times. It is as if there are two wolves inside me, one is white and one is grey.

The White Wolf is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offense when no offense was intended. But it will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way.

But, the grey Wolf, is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing. Sometimes it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."

The boy, looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes, and asked "which one wins Grandfather?"

The Grandfather, smiled and said, "The one I feed."
[/h]What is important is not that we understand the purpose of evil, but to understand that it is part of our nature as human beings and to learn to be masters of our own selves.
 
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