How Can We Stop Killing

Indulge me.

I live in Australia where we don't have earthquakes, rabies nor nice educated people who own private arsenals. Just bushfires, floods, snakes, spiders and sharks.
 

I blame drugs for much of the violence in the world today which causes some to tip over into mental illness.
Certainly more than a coincidence. By the way, I looked up many of these cases & only a few mentioned Rx antidepressants:

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Jarred Viktor, age 15, stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Suffering from depression, singer Del Shannon committed suicide on February 8, 1990, with a .22-caliber rifle at his home in Santa Clarita, California, while on a prescription dose of the anti-depressant drug Prozac.
 
It is hard for me to see a future where mankind will give up killing each other. Weapons have ruled from ages past and booming in our world today. Our generation probably will see the violence and killings increase before we die. The future after that is a total crap shoot. Who could possibly know with so many major problems we have now? Just think of what our grandchildren will face when they are 40 years old. I can't imagine.
 
...and remember this: nobody is disputing a police officer's absolute right to shoot an ARMED suspect.

OK, but I'll amend it to say a believed armed suspect .... in a dark alley an officer does not have the time to determine wether it's a gun or a cell phone ....... in some cases by the time the determination can be made ........ it's too late.
 
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OK, but I'll amend it to say a believed armed suspect .... in a dark alley an officer does not have the time to determine wether it's a gun or a cell phone ....... in some cases by the time the determination can be made ........ it's too late.
In at least one case a middle aged woman, in a well lit alley, dressed in her PJs after calling the police because she suspected a woman was being sexually assaulted, ended up shot to death by a nervous police officer, shooting at her through the window of the patrol car, across his partner. Just collateral damage?
 
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In at least one case a middle aged woman, in a well lit alley, dressed in her PJs after calling the police because she suspected a woman was being sexually assaulted, ended up shot to death by a nervous police officer, shooting at her through the window of the patrol car, across his partner. Just collateral damage?

OK, that's one .... and i do remember it.

Show me where I said they never make mistakes.

That officer was an idiot ....IMO.
 
If you owned a couple of dozen can openers some might call you a collector and I would probably think you were a can opener nut but I would not think that you are a public menace.

If you owned a couple of dozen lethal weapons I would probably give you a very wide berth.
Most of us that have many different guns, are collectors or use them for different kinds of hunting. If you know a person that has lots of guns, you are safer being a friend to them. They can protect your life & property.
 
I don't live in USA so there is no need to protect my life and property.
The only time I was worried for my safety was when a neighbour called me in to investigate a hissing noise from his compost heap.

He had a pistol for his work - as the manager of a petrol station he was permitted to carry one for protection when he took the takings to the bank (yes, it was a very long time ago).

Fearing that the hissing was coming from a snake he wanted to go inside to get the gun but I persuaded him not to. I was more disturbed about the possibility of being accidentally shot by a nervous man than I was of a snake in the grass. As it turned out it was a harmless blue tongue lizard that was hissing because its hibernation had been disturbed. I rescued it and took it home to finish hibernating in our compost heap.
 
How do we stop killing? I cannot answer that question. It is a vicious circle. As long as there is someone willing to kill me I have to be willing to kill them or be killed. Make no mistake human beings are animals and we progressed out of one type of jungle and into a new jungle we have created for ourselves. Unfortunately in our jungle it is still survival of the fittest. So we have an option to either protect ourselves or be devoured/killed. It seems that our DNA has been programmed this way. Maybe if we learn to change the programming we can stop the killing. If that is the case I wonder what would be the trade off/cost? How do we stop killing? I have no answer to that question....:(
 
If you owned a couple of dozen can openers some might call you a collector and I would probably think you were a can opener nut but I would not think that you are a public menace.

If you owned a couple of dozen lethal weapons I would probably give you a very wide berth.

I had a friend [now deceased] that had quite a collection of guns. All types/periods in history,etc. He just greatly admired the the mechanical design/engineering in them. He never shot an animal, and had no desire to ever shoot a human. His thing was target shooting with the various guns, and honing his skill at it.

BTW .... He was a hell-of-a-shot. I've seen him hit AAA batteries from ridiculous distances.

Point being, there are all sorts of reasons folks collect guns.
 
How do we stop killing? I cannot answer that question. It is a vicious circle. As long as there is someone willing to kill me I have to be willing to kill them or be killed. Make no mistake human beings are animals and we progressed out of one type of jungle and into a new jungle we have created for ourselves. Unfortunately in our jungle it is still survival of the fittest. So we have an option to either protect ourselves or be devoured/killed. It seems that our DNA has been programmed this way. Maybe if we learn to change the programming we can stop the killing. If that is the case I wonder what would be the trade off/cost? How do we stop killing? I have no answer to that question....:(
I have seen videos of using techniques to change your own DNA. The best one I will post, if you want to get the best explanation.

DNA Activation and Unlocking Your Superhuman Abilities

These are instructions from a website on how to do the techniques.

"Activation of the Youth and Vitality Chromosomes Command Process:
Part One

  1. Ground and center yourself in your heart and visualize going down in the Mother Earth, which is a part of All That Is.
  2. Visualize bringing up the energy through your feet, opening up all of your chakras as you go. Go up out of your crown, out to the Universe.
  3. Go beyond the Universe, past the white lights, past the dark light, past the white light, past the jelly-like substance that is the Laws, into a pearly, iridescent white light, into the Seventh Plane of Existence.
  4. In silence, make the command, “Creator of All That Is, it is commanded that the activation of the youth and vitality chromosomes (state client’s name)take place on this day. Thank you! It is done. It is done. It is done. Show me the master cell in the pineal gland.”
  5. Observe the Virtual DNA Strands stack in pairs on top of each other with a telomere cap at the ends. Sometimes this happens so fast, that you may have to ask the Creator for a replay later.
  6. As soon as you see that the process is finished, rinse yourself off and put yourself back into your space. Go into the Earth and pull the earth energy up through all your chakras to your crown chakra and make an Energy Break.

Part one of the DNA Activation is now complete.


The Activation (Part Two)



After the first procedure has been done the person might experience toxins coming out of their system on all Levels, spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically. Since you are making cellular changes in body from the Master Cell the body will begin to purge toxins. Some people may experience a healing cleanse, a period of detoxification and purification. Generally there should be a space of time between the two Activations. Other people are ready for both of them simultaneously. With these people you may do the second step immediately after the first if they are ready to receive it. The way that you can tell if they can immediately receive the second part of the Activation is to stay in the person’s space as the first part is finishing. As you are in their pineal gland, the remaining chromosomes will begin to come to life on their own. If you see the chromosomes begin to come to life, then they are ready for it. You will witness the addition of the ten new strands to the remaining forty four.

Mitochondria
In the second process we are now activating mitochondria as well, which accelerates the process. When you make the command of “It is commanded that the remaining chromosomes be activated,” the mitrochondria of the cell is awakened as well. Mitochondria possess their own genetic material, and the machinery to manufacture their own RNAs and proteins. The 46 chromosomes in the cell nucleus is the blue print, but the mitrochondria holds the energy; the ATP that makes it all function. In cell biology, a mitochondrion (plural mitochondria) is an organelle, variants of which are found in most eukaryotic cells. Mitochondria are sometimes described as "cellular power plants," because their primary function is to convert organic materials into energy in the form of ATP. Usually a cell has hundreds or thousands of mitochondria, which can occupy up to 25% of the cell's cytoplasm. Mitochondria have their own DNA and are accepted by endosymbiotic theory to have descended from once free-living bacteria.

Activation of the Remaining Chromosomes
Part Two
The next step in the process is as follows:

  1. Center yourself in your heart and visualize going down into the Mother Earth, which is a part of All That Is.
  2. Visualize bringing up the energy through your feet, opening each chakra to the crown chakra. In a beautiful ball of light, go out to the Universe.
  3. Go beyond the Universe, past the white lights, past the dark light, past the white light, past the jelly-like substance that is the Laws, into a pearly iridescent white light, into the Seventh Plane of Existence.
  4. In silence, make the command, “Creator of All That Is, it is commanded that the remaining chromosomes be activated. Thank you! It is done. It is done. It is done. Show me the master cell in the pineal gland.”
  5. As soon as you envision the process as finished, rinse yourself off and imagine your energy coming back into your space. Go into the Earth and pull the earth energy up through all your chakras to the crown chakra.

Words Become Reality
The one thing I found to be consistent with the Activation is that the likelihood of the spoken word and strong thoughts becoming reality increase dramatically after the Activation is done. Once the Activation begins to take effect, it is important to stay positive and affirm that you have abundance coming into your life. Do not affirm lack in your life, because after the Activation the words and thoughts will be ten times more powerful. Words and thoughts must be focused in the right direction. When you’re working with the energetic DNA, the negative aspects of your life will begin to be replaced with positive aspects.

The Company That You Keep
The Activation brings a person to a higher spiritual vibration. Your family and friends may not be on the same vibrational level. The Activation increases our awareness of the negative influences of others. If you have an associate or friend that is not for your highest and best good you will easily and gently gravitate away from them. If you are in a unhappy relationship, you either will remove yourself from the relationship, or make it better.
Once the Activation is done within yourself, it should also be done on your spouse, because your dual spiritual vibration needs to accelerate together or you may choose to be apart. It is possible that the Activation will happen by sleeping with your spouse. This is because cell talks to cell, but you must be patient as this will take several months. Most people experience a slight cleansing with cold-like symptoms after the DNA Activation and some people ache all over. I suggest as a remedy that they take a little calcium and perhaps a little chelated zinc.

The Complete Process Step by Step
Activation of the Youth and Vitality Chromosomes Command Process,
Part One:

  1. Ground and center yourself in your heart and visualize going down in the Mother Earth, which is a part of All That Is.
  2. Visualize bringing up the energy through your feet, opening up all of your chakras as you go. Go up out of your crown, out to the Universe.
  3. Go beyond the Universe, past the white lights, past the dark light, past the white light, past the jelly-like substance that is the Laws, into a pearly, iridescent white light, into the Seventh Plane of Existence. 4. In silence, make the command, “Creator of All That Is, it is commanded that the activation of the youth and vitality chromosomes (state client’s name)take place on this day. Thank you! It is done. It is done. It is done. Show me the master cell in the pineal gland.”
  4. Observe the Virtual DNA Strands stack in pairs on top of each other with a telomere cap at the ends. Sometimes this happens so fast, that you may have to ask the Creator for a replay later.
  5. As soon as you see that the process is finished, rinse yourself off and put yourself back into your space. Go into the Earth and pull the earth energy up through all your chakras to your crown chakra and make an Energy Break.

Part one of the DNA Activation is now complete.

Activation of the Remaining Chromosomes Part Two:
The next step in the process is as follows:

  1. Ask the Creator if the client is ready for activation of their remaining chromosomes. If the answer is “No”, exit and rinse off. If the answer is “Yes”, activate them with the second process.
  2. Center yourself in your heart and visualize going down into the Mother Earth, which is a part of All That Is
  3. Visualize bringing up the energy through your feet, opening each chakra to the crown chakra. In a beautiful ball of light, go out to the Universe.
  4. Go beyond the Universe, past the white lights, past the dark light, past the white light, past the jelly-like substance that is the Laws, into a pearly iridescent white light, into the Seventh Plane of Existence.
  5. In silence, make the command, “Creator of All That Is, it is commanded that the remaining chromosomes be activated. Thank you! It is done. It is done. It is done. Show me the master cell in the pineal gland.”
  6. As soon as you envision the process as finished, rinse yourself off and imagine your energy coming back into your space. Go into the Earth and pull the earth energy up through all your chakras to the crown chakra.

This will activate all DNA, including the mitochondria.
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That might all sound like a bunch of nonsense, but we have been praying to the unknown for millions of years. Maybe this IS a revolutionary form of prayer to the universe.?
 
That may sound like a bunch of nonsense, but we have been praying to the unknown for millions of years. Maybe this IS a revolutionary form of prayer to the universe.?

Sounds similar to other forms of guided imagery...just adds current scientific terms.

It's easy to sequence and analyze DNA to prove or disprove a proposed method to alter it.
 
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People have been killing ever since Christ walked on this earth, they took his life. Look at Ceaser & his army taking over many lands. A lot of different wars. So there is no good reason for this to ever end.

Just saw on this morning's news where Russia is about to invade Ukraine. Our President is getting 175,000 troops ready to go to Ukraine. Makes lots of money for the rich.
 
People have been killing ever since Christ walked on this earth, they took his life. Look at Ceaser & his army taking over many lands. A lot of different wars. So there is no good reason for this to ever end.

Just saw on this morning's news where Russia is about to invade Ukraine. Our President is getting 175,000 troops ready to go to Ukraine. Makes lots of money for the rich.

"Makes lots of money for the rich."

Man, ain't that the truth !!
 
Endless increasing overpopulation driven by wealthy and wealth seekers is making killing for a list of reasons a lot worse.

Since 1970. the U.S. population has increased from about 203 million to about 330 million. In 1970, there were about 16,000 murders.

In 2019 (the last year for which full statistics are available) there were about 16,000 murders. So the number of murders stayed the same, despite the population increasing by more than 60%. And that's also despite the proliferation of lethal semi-automatic firearms, the rise of gang culture and many other factors.

So I would have to say your theory doesn't hold much water, at least in the U.S.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
 
Since 1970. the U.S. population has increased from about 203 million to about 330 million. In 1970, there were about 16,000 murders.

In 2019 (the last year for which full statistics are available) there were about 16,000 murders. So the number of murders stayed the same, despite the population increasing by more than 60%. And that's also despite the proliferation of lethal semi-automatic firearms, the rise of gang culture and many other factors.

So I would have to say your theory doesn't hold much water, at least in the U.S.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
I had a friend [now deceased] that had quite a collection of guns. All types/periods in history,etc. He just greatly admired the the mechanical design/engineering in them. He never shot an animal, and had no desire to ever shoot a human. His thing was target shooting with the various guns, and honing his skill at it.

BTW.... He was a hell-of-a-shot. I've seen him hit AAA batteries from ridiculous distances.

Point being, there are all sorts of reasons folks collect guns.


Once in a while a "gun nut" goes off the rails and engages in a mass shooting. This results in a lot of hand-wringing, discussion of the Second Amendment, vitriol about the evils of MAGA type white people, etc.

Meanwhile thousands of people slay each other each year, usually with handguns that are either bought illegally and/or stolen. Over half of these people are black men, despite black men only representing about 6 percent of the total population.

I don't own any guns and see no reason why people should be allowed to own semi-automatic weapons of any sort. (It's a lot harder to kill people with a bolt-action rifle or a revolver than with an AR-15 or a Glock.) But murder in the US is a much more complicated problem than a bunch of "gun nuts" collecting weaponry.
 
@JimBob1952 True, and statistics never lie. But, there are many contributing factors to the decrease in murders. They involve factors of laws, mobility, gentrification, private for profit prisons, and the list could go on and on. 16,000 murders is OK? No it is not, and a culture that thinks it is just something else we have to fear all the time, like crossing the street, needs to think again.
 


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