Kate Smith banned by Yankees

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I don't remember seeing this topic on this forum. The surprising story is that Kate Smith's famous renditiion of God Bless America has been banned from Yankee games because
she sang two racist songs, possibly satirical, back in the early 1930's. She was apparently a passionate advocate of racial and religious tolerance, which makes this very complicated and unexpected. How do you feel about it? Here's one article about it.

http://www.adirondackdailyenterpris...9/05/did-kate-smith-make-up-for-racist-songs/
 

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More silliness. It was a different time 80 years ago. Perhaps the complainers should read a history book. Oh, wait, history is not taught in school anymore, schools don’t have books, and a lot of people unfortunately have poor reading and comprehension skills.

Ok, let’s require complainers to take a test on history before they are allowed to, hmm, complain about how things were.
 
It's interesting to me that there is no outrage over Kate Smith singing a song that asks God to keep an eye on us and give us his blessings.

Sometimes I think that these controversies are actually planned/staged in an attempt to distract us from more important issues facing our country.

These things take the national conversation away from immigration, the national debt, education, healthcare, jobs, etc...
 
More silliness. It was a different time 80 years ago. Perhaps the complainers should read a history book. Oh, wait, history is not taught in school anymore, schools don’t have books, and a lot of people unfortunately have poor reading and comprehension skills.

Ok, let’s require complainers to take a test on history before they are allowed to, hmm, complain about how things were.


I don't care that much about Kate Smith, what she sang, or where.

However,

Yes, a test. Hmmm.

Apartheid, the Holocaust, slavery, and genocide are parts of history. So be sure to include those in your "test".

So predictable that flippant "get over it" responses are so quick to come from those who haven't been affected.

This is typical of any racial discussion here at SF and elsewhere.

No, the world is NOT such a different place.
 
More than 80 years ago. People still digging to find something to get mad about. When can they finally move on? The world is a different place thank goodness.

I agree. Seriously. When do we ban George Washington's memory because he was a slave owner? History is history. Everybody's ancestors were probably ostracized or enslaved by somebody at some point in history. Let's be adults and learn from history while moving forward. Shall we?
 
I had never heard that song about "darkies" (excuse the expression)sung by her or by anyone else, & I think it's just awful. As said above racial relations were complicated back in those days, and are still complicated at times now. I think racist behaviors can be like cancer:remove it when it's found before it spreads. I have to admit I admired Kate when I was grown up because I liked seeing a chunky woman admired instead of vilified. I hadn't realized MLB was still using old recordings. Just time to retire her anyway . I just hope they don't substitute some honkytonk versions of patriotic songs. There are some songs that I prefer to hear performed as written: Star Spangled Banner, America the Beautiful & God Bless America.

Rgp's remark sounded pretty racist to me.
 
Wrong. In the 1930's, sadly it was not "unacceptable." It's only a problem now, when people are so desperate to be offended by something that they have to dig back nearly 90 years to find it. Let's just move forward, people.
 
Last week I heard the song they mentioned when the Philadelphia Flyers banned her from singing the National anthem for them.She sang it with a Black man and it wasn't racist in my opinion. Kate Smith passed away in 1984,and they bring it up now. I think they even removed a statue of her. This world is getting sicker and sicker. I'm not denying Racism still exists but in this case they are wrong.
 
Some of you actually have a solution to many problems:

Get over it! Move on!

What's up with the #metoo stuff? Pffft.
Sexual harassment, rape, ----> Get over it! Move on!
 
Some of you actually have a solution to many problems:

Get over it! Move on!

What's up with the #metoo stuff? Pffft.
Sexual harassment, rape, ----> Get over it! Move on!


The #metoo stuff? All unsubstantiated claims going back decades in many of the [so-called] cases. Not one ounce of evidence/proof, only accusation.

Sexual harassment & rape.....Apples & Elephants . True rape reported ASAP? and with proof?....indeed a horrible crime , prosecute to the max.

Sexual harassment?...Too broad'a brush , too much a matter of opinion. If not on tape/video?....Next to impossible to prove .
 
I went back and re-read this thread again. Like many things, it interest me a great deal since I seem to be in a very reflective mood most of the time. Looking back a lot at my childhood experiences. People pass judgement so easily on things they have little understanding of, and that would include me.

Commenting on southern racism with no experience of it, is like trying to tell a rocket scientist he used the wrong fuel because the rocket blew up. It just doesn’t compute. Others will disagree, but if you did not grow up in the deep south of the United States then, IMO, you have no concept of what casual racism was or is.

The only near comparison I can think of, which comes very close to explaining how things were, is to say all Germans were Nazis. I refrain from passing judgement on Germans who lived in Germany during a certain period of time. We all might refrain from passing judgement on Kate Smith. What is racism now, was not racism then.

A little test for you all.

I remember visiting grandma in the 1950’s. It was a small southern Texas town and the sidewalks were wooden walkways. As we walked down this sidewalk, my grandmother, my aunt, my mother, and me-three white woman, one white child-walking side by side. Two black men walked up the sidewalk toward us.

As we grew closer, the black men stepped off the sidewalk, tipped their hats to us, and passed us by. Once we had passed, like ships on a river moving in opposite directions, the men hopped back on the sidewalk and continued on. We never missed a step or acknowledged them. Was their behavior dictated by racism? Yes. Do you know why?

If you know why their behavior was considered racially motivated, then judge away. If you don’t know why then consider not judging. Consider the same situation, in the same place, in the same period only substitute white men for black men. What would the white men have done differently? We, the woman, would have reacted the same no matter who the men were.

If you have seen movies from this time period, you will also know the difference in behavior that would have occurred involving this situation between these two groups of men towards white woman. Who has the answer?
 
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