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Aneeda72 said:
Some of the older men on the forum who think their sexual references or jokes on discussions are welcomed and appreciated by everyone. They aren’t. In fact, such references and jokes simply make them look old and out of touch with today’s world. People judge other people. I judge other people although I try hard not to.
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Yes, indeed. I found innuendo disgusting as a young woman, and find it even more disgusting now.
 

"Yes but..." racism is one form of discrimination and sexism is another. sexism has been around as long as racism and I'm glad Aneeda called the old codgers on how their sexual innuendoes and jokes aren't appreciated, and C'est Moi agreed. Up to now Ive been ignoring it with a "consider the source" attitude, but from now on if they keep doing it Im going to call them on it. And Board Admins, it might be nice to see the cartoons and jokes cleaned up too.
 
Keesha said:
And it wasn’t that long ago that black people HAD to sit at the back of the bus. I would not have done well as a black person in this era. I’d be one to break the law for sure. Things have come along way since then but racism is still alive and well.
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God bless Rosa Parks who defied that law. A hero and pioneer.
 
Geezerette said:
"Yes but..." racism is one form of discrimination and sexism is another. sexism has been around as long as racism and I'm glad Aneeda called the old codgers on how their sexual innuendoes and jokes aren't appreciated, and C'est Moi agreed. Up to now Ive been ignoring it with a "consider the source" attitude, but from now on if they keep doing it Im going to call them on it. And Board Admins, it might be nice to see the cartoons and jokes cleaned up too.
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Geezerette. If you really feel this strongly about these sexual innuendos and how you’d like administration to clean up the board of cartoons and jokes you dislike, then perhaps it would be best if you make a separate thread about it.
THIS particular thread is about racism.
 
Geezerette said:
"Yes but..." racism is one form of discrimination and sexism is another. sexism has been around as long as racism and I'm glad Aneeda called the old codgers on how their sexual innuendoes and jokes aren't appreciated, and C'est Moi agreed. Up to now Ive been ignoring it with a "consider the source" attitude, but from now on if they keep doing it Im going to call them on it. And Board Admins, it might be nice to see the cartoons and jokes cleaned up too.
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:eek:fftopic: OLD CODGERS! now that is cold, maybe some should stay out of The Tap Room, and, and consider an apology to the many respectable, considerate persons who use this site. Just saying... but you can call me anything, just don't forget to call me for dinner......:lofl:
 
As a big fan of The Tap Room and someone who's inclined to make bawdy remarks here and there, not to mention double entendres when my brain is quick enough, I believe there is a big difference between sexual innuendos and sexism.

Note to all the old codgers on this forum: if you won't stop the occasional suggestive jokes on my account, I won't stop them on yours!

Note to anyone offended by those remarks: I sincerely apologize if I've said anything that has offended you. My jokes are meant to be light-hearted and in the spirit of good fun.
 
I will drink to that, of course I would drink to anything....:beerandwhistle:
StarSong said:
As a big fan of The Tap Room and someone who's inclined to make bawdy remarks here and there, not to mention double entendres when my brain is quick enough, I believe there is a big difference between sexual innuendos and sexism.

Note to all the old codgers on this forum: if you won't stop the occasional suggestive jokes on my account, I won't stop them on yours!

Note to anyone offended by those remarks: I sincerely apologize if I've said anything that has offended you. My jokes are meant to be light-hearted and in the spirit of good fun.
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Keesha,

Could you explain how much racism is in Canada? Now and in the past?

I grew up with this issue. My mother picked cotton in the fields of her uncle’s farm when she was 15 years old. I think I mentioned this before. She has white skin, she picked cotton along with people who had black skin and brown skin. This would have been the 1930’s-1940’s.

She didn’t have to sit at the back of the bus. She couldn't have sat at the front of the bus. She walked. No bus money.

I wouldn’t call my relatives in Texas racist then. Then it was a way of life. Over time the way of life changed and you changed with it or you didn’t. If you changed with it, you aren’t racist. If you didn’t, you are. A simple explanation, but true. But I know the story of the US. I know the story of the British and African colonies. British and India colony.

What is the story of Canada on this subject?
 
I have Clairvoyant abilities and contacted Kate Smith from the spirit world last night, she suggested that her body be exhumed and reburied with her ass facing upward and anyone who doesn't like her singing can kiss her ass. She also said, yes it was racial and if she was still alive, she would never use those words let alone sing them. I then lost contact. :yoda:
 
Aneeda72 said:
Keesha,

Could you explain how much racism is in Canada? Now and in the past?

I grew up with this issue. My mother picked cotton in the fields of her uncle’s farm when she was 15 years old. I think I mentioned this before. She has white skin, she picked cotton along with people who had black skin and brown skin. This would have been the 1930’s-1940’s.

She didn’t have to sit at the back of the bus. She couldn't have sat at the front of the bus. She walked. No bus money.

I wouldn’t call my relatives in Texas racist then. Then it was a way of life. Over time the way of life changed and you changed with it or you didn’t. If you changed with it, you aren’t racist. If you didn’t, you are. A simple explanation, but true. But I know the story of the US. I know the story of the British and African colonies. British and India colony.

What is the story of Canada on this subject?
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I don't have first-hand information about Canada's history of racism, but will comment on your other remarks. Racism isn't contextual. Just because it was widespread doesn't change what it was.


From the Merriam-Webster site:
[h=2]Definition of racism[/h]

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism

3 : racial prejudice or discrimination
 
Star Song,

I don’t disagree. I know the meaning of the word racism. I also know that most people of one race or color are prejudice against other people of various races or colors. It’s not a black/white issue now or then. It amazes me that in the multi racial, multi nationality neighborhood I live in there are no problems at all.

The question is, did my grandmother, who grew up in the south ever know if her behavior was racist. From the little time I spent with her, I don’t think she did. It was a different world. She grew up with a certain way of life, it was the life she knew, and she didn’t know any better.

But my mother, who grew up in different circumstances, was not racist. My dad was not racist. To condemn past generations for their behaviors, IMO, silly. They are dead. Nothing is going to change their minds. To condemn past generations for their behaviors when you have no direct knowledge of those behaviors, and the reasons for them, well. Hmm.

What’s the point?
 
Aneeda72 said:
Star Song,

I don’t disagree. I know the meaning of the word racism. I also know that most people of one race or color are prejudice against other people of various races or colors. It’s not a black/white issue now or then. It amazes me that in the multi racial, multi nationality neighborhood I live in there are no problems at all.

The question is, did my grandmother, who grew up in the south ever know if her behavior was racist. From the little time I spent with her, I don’t think she did. It was a different world. She grew up with a certain way of life, it was the life she knew, and she didn’t know any better.

But my mother, who grew up in different circumstances, was not racist. My dad was not racist. To condemn past generations for their behaviors, IMO, silly. They are dead. Nothing is going to change their minds. To condemn past generations for their behaviors when you have no direct knowledge of those behaviors, and the reasons for them, well. Hmm.

What’s the point?
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Racist behavior is racist behavior, whether or not the perpetrator knows it is racist and whether or not he/she "knows better."

Sorry - I don't buy your theory that most people are prejudice against people in other races.

What's the point? The point of condemning abhorrent behaviors of the past is to acknowledge them as such and to avoid seeing them repeated them in the future.
 
Keesha said:
I’m sorry Aneeda but I couldn’t disagree with you more on this.


Racism IS the belief in the superiority of one race over another which causes discrimination and prejudice based on their race and ethnicity.


THE USE OF THE TERM ‘racism’ DOES NOT EASILY FALL UNDER A SINGLE DEFINITION.


Our world history is FULL of many examples of extreme institutional racism including the Holocaust, the Apartheid in South Africa, slavery around the world including Latin America & the segregation in North America.
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There is a difference between race an nationality. It was NOT racism.
 
StarSong said:
Racist behavior is racist behavior, whether or not the perpetrator knows it is racist and whether or not he/she "knows better."

Sorry - I don't buy your theory that most people are prejudice against people in other races.

What's the point? The point of condemning abhorrent behaviors of the past is to acknowledge them as such and to avoid seeing them repeated them in the future.
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Absolutely. Song would be banned in Canada. Also, anyone singing it in public would be charged under our hate speech laws.
 
Shalimar,

I am interested in knowing more about racism in Canada in the 1930’s-1940’s. Songs are not banned in the US. When did these hate speech laws get passed in Canada? I did not know that you had restricted speech. That’s interesting.
 
So I googled it, and seems Canada followed the same patterns as the US. Canada had slaves. Canadians had the same racism towards blacks, and, it seems Asians followed by racism towards others lesser groups. Canadians of the day seemed to believe in the “superiority” of the white race as well. Which is how the hate speech laws came to be passed eventually-might have mentioned this parallel history of Canada. I had no ideal.

Seems all our grandparents and great grandparents were racists according to the viewpoints of certain people in this discussion. No surprise since the British and French settled both places. Seems the US had issues with its indigenous people and Canada had problems with their indigenous people.

So if my dear old American grandmother, was a racist, lol, prove your deal old canadian grandmother wasn’t. In any event, it doesn’t really matter. But it is terribly funny.
 
Both of my grandmothers could be considered racist but they were also strong, kind, caring women that I will always love and respect.

I agree that bad behavior, racism, sexism, etc... should be called out, discouraged, corrected but I don't believe in the current trend of attempting to destroy people or their legacy without taking a good look at their lives and the contributions that they have made.
 
How do you know your grandmother wasn’t racist? And remember my mother is 94 years old, my grandmother has been dead a long time. I am not ashamed, embarrassed, or regretful of anything about her in connection to her southern belief system.

What I think is amusing, in case you missed it, is that Canadians commenting about my grandmother and not mentioning the history of racism in Canada. Let’s all jump into the pool together on this. And as far as I know, I am the only one living in a multi racial, multi culture, multi nationality neighborhood.

Is it the same for you? Or do live in a white neighborhood? Just curious.
 
StarSong said:
Your LOLs and what you find amusing strike me as nothing short of bizarre. If my grandmother had been a racist I would be ashamed, embarrassed and regretful, not laughing about it because others might have been racist, as well.
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Yeah. "lol" indeed. :rolleyes:
 

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