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They sure are.

I just believe Kate Smith's song was meant to be satirical back in that age. No need to drag her through the mud now.

I wish it would all just go away.
 

StarSong said:
Isn't that the point that many are trying to make? Racism is alive and well in this country - and on this planet - and should be deemed unacceptable whenever and wherever it exists. Saying some songs, words, or actions are more racist than others doesn't justify the existence of the lesser racist sentiments. They're all offensive, should be branded as such, and shunned by the general public.
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For millennia of time people have not gotten along/been at peace with each other. Not just races/colors, but for many other "reasons" as well. The leader over the years being religion.

Hence, shields, bows & arrows , spears, lances, armor suits, rocks, hot tar & rocks poured over the wall, the great wall o f China, gun powder, guns, bombs, rockets, jets, tanks........get the picture ??

As such, I do not look for us to break out in versus of Kumbaya any time soon.

People have differences , currently color seems to be one. Next?....might be our planet versus ???
 
Sassycakes said:
I just read the Lyrics to the song and I honestly don't believe it was meant to insult Black People. Especially when I read the last paragraph.


Kate Smith​

Miscellaneous
That's Why Darkies Were Born
That's Why Darkies Were Born
Kate Smith
Henderson & Brown

Someone had to pick the cotton,
Someone had to pick the corn,
Someone had to slave and be able to sing,
That's why darkies were born;

Someone had to laugh at trouble,
Though he was tired and worn,
Had to be contented with any old thing,
That's why darkies were born;

Sing, sing, sing when you're weary and
Sing when you're blue,
Sing, sing, that's what you taught
All the white folks to do;

​
Someone had to fight the Devil,
Shout about Gabriel's Horn,
Someone had to stoke the train
That would bring God's children to green pastures,
That's why darkies were born.​
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WHAT???? :magnify:
You donā€™t think THIS was meant to insult black people?
WOW!!! I have four bi-racial nieces and nephews and I find it insulting.
To keep punishing someone for mistakes they make decades earlier seems a bit senseless though.
People make mistakes and at the time she probably didnā€™t intend it to be insulting.
In todayā€™s modern world, itā€™s viewed differently but still insulting all the same.
 

Pepper said:
I'm not as pessimistic as you. What do you mean when you say race war?
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Pessimist No, a Realist Yes. Living in a world that is full of hatred. I am not speaking only of race, but of many other things as well sadly. I face these issues that this world has put in front of me and deal with them peacefully and Democratically how it was meant to be and not with hate and violence like we see so much today. That is all I can do and hope for the best.
 
StarSong said:
Isn't that the point that many are trying to make? Racism is alive and well in this country - and on this planet - and should be deemed unacceptable whenever and wherever it exists. Saying some songs, words, or actions are more racist than others doesn't justify the existence of the lesser racist sentiments. They're all offensive, should be branded as such, and shunned by the general public.
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My point was not to say that one song was worse than the other. My point was to say exactly the point you are making that racism is sadly alive and going strong today.
 
I loved Kate, still do. I have a bi racial granddaughter. She couldnā€™t care less about this song, and she wouldnā€™t know who Kate Smith is.
 
Becca. ā€‹You forgot my question--What do you mean when you say race war? I believe you said this twice. Thanks.
 
Pepper said:
Becca. ā€‹You forgot my question--What do you mean when you say race war? I believe you said this twice. Thanks.
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Pepper, I think I tried to answer and maybe not that clearly. What I meant is the hate that is going on around the world in the name of race and also many other things.
 
Beccaboo said:
My point was not to say that one song was worse than the other. My point was to say exactly the point you are making that racism is sadly alive and going strong today.
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I apologize if I misunderstood your point. Perhaps I'm a bit touchy because this entire subject is so disheartening. It seemed as if the Baby Boomer generation was making progress in this area back in the 60s and 70s, but when I hear ugly remarks made by people my age and younger, I shake my head in disgust. Don't get me started on the thinly veiled racism expressed by many of our politicians. I feel sickened and embarrassed by their behavior and beliefs.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned by the Yankees pulling of Kate Smith's recording should be that even if our contemporaries don't judge our insensitive actions harshly, future generations may well do so.
 
StarSong said:
I apologize if I misunderstood your point. Perhaps I'm a bit touchy because this entire subject is so disheartening. It seemed as if the Baby Boomer generation was making progress in this area back in the 60s and 70s, but when I hear ugly remarks made by people my age and younger, I shake my head in disgust. Don't get me started on the thinly veiled racism expressed by many of our politicians. I feel sickened and embarrassed by their behavior and beliefs.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned by the Yankees pulling of Kate Smith's recording should be that even if our contemporaries don't judge our insensitive actions harshly, future generations may well do so.
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It is very disheartening. I was born in 1959 so throughout the 60's I was just a child, but throughout the 70's i became more aware of the issues and even as I have gotten older. Nowadays it seems and maybe I am wrong about this, but I feel it is worse than ever and it is because of Social Media and Media itself. I really don't want to discuss that as that is only my view on it and I will leave it at that.
 
StarSong said:
Isn't that the point that many are trying to make? Racism is alive and well in this country - and on this planet - and should be deemed unacceptable whenever and wherever it exists. Saying some songs, words, or actions are more racist than others doesn't justify the existence of the less racist sentiments. They're all offensive, should be branded as such, and shunned by the general public.
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Beccaboo said:
My point was not to say that one song was worse than the other. My point was to say exactly the point you are making that racism is sadly alive and going strong today.
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Beccaboo said:
It is very disheartening. I was born in 1959 so throughout the 60's I was just a child, but throughout the 70's i became more aware of the issues and even as I have gotten older. Nowadays it seems and maybe I am wrong about this, but I feel it is worse than ever and it is because of Social Media and Media itself. I really don't want to discuss that as that is only my view on it and I will leave it at that.
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StarSong said:
I apologize if I misunderstood your point. Perhaps I'm a bit touchy because this entire subject is so disheartening. It seemed as if the Baby Boomer generation was making progress in this area back in the 60s and 70s, but when I hear ugly remarks made by people my age and younger, I shake my head in disgust. Don't get me started on the thinly veiled racism expressed by many of our politicians. I feel sickened and embarrassed by their behavior and beliefs.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned by the Yankees pulling of Kate Smith's recording should be that even if our contemporaries don't judge our insensitive actions harshly, future generations may well do so.
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I think you two summed this up really well, especially that last sentence. Itā€™s so on point.
 
Beccaboo said:
It is very disheartening. I was born in 1959 so throughout the 60's I was just a child, but throughout the 70's i became more aware of the issues and even as I have gotten older. Nowadays it seems and maybe I am wrong about this, but I feel it is worse than ever and it is because of Social Media and Media itself. I really don't want to discuss that as that is only my view on it and I will leave it at that.
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Racism is still a problem but it is NOT worse now than ever and it can't be blamed on the media. Prior to Civil Rights movement in the 1960s it was legal to refuse service in a store/restaurant, housing, employment, and an education to blacks based solely on race. In South Africa apartheid was in full force until it was abolished in 1994. All that was way before social media.

Those are the facts. Easy to see why you don't want to discuss it - nothing to discuss. To blame racism on social media is silly. To
 
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I just got an email from a friend of mine that she received from a group that wants to have all the movies like Goodfellas ,The Godfather and any movie depicting Italians being criminals banned. They also said "Why has there never been an Italian President in the USA. She said they said Italians were being unfairly judged. She is Italian and so am I and I asked her if she wanted to join. She laughed and said "Of course not." I was relieved and told her not even to respond to the group that sent it. This world is going crazy in my opinion.
 
applecruncher said:
Racism is still a problem but it is NOT worse now than ever and it can't be blamed on the media. Prior to Civil Rights movement in the 1960s it was legal to refuse service in a store/restaurant, housing, employment, and an education to blacks based solely on skin color. In South Africa apartheid was in full force until it was abolished in 1994. All that was way before social media.

Those are the facts.
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And it wasnā€™t that long ago that black people HAD to sit at the back of the bus. I would not have done well as a black person in this era. Iā€™d be one to break the law for sure. Things have come along way since then but racism is still alive and well.
 
I left Chicgo in 1979 to work in Pascagoula, Missisippi. There I encountered two members of the KKK in a bar I frequented and it gave me a perspective of how deep their convictions are regarding minorities and gays. One of the two I spoke with frequently but never about social issues as I dared never to go there. I was on thin ice being a yankee in Miss. Even the blacks I worked with were not overly joyed that a northerner was there taking someone's job. I will say the KKK are no less dedicated to their beliefs than any other citizens or groups anywhere in the world.
 
Sassycakes said:
I just got an email from a friend of mine that she received from a group that wants to have all the movies like Goodfellas ,The Godfather and any movie depicting Italians being criminals banned. They also said "Why has there never been an Italian President in the USA. She said they said Italians were being unfairly judged. She is Italian and so am I and I asked her if she wanted to join. She laughed and said "Of course not." I was relieved and told her not even to respond to the group that sent it. This world is going crazy in my opinion.
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Recall the mob boss Columbo that raised the issue of Italians being minorities. He thrusted this idea to the mainstream media which upset the mob bosses. He was shot to death on an outdoor stage as he prepared to address of crowd of Italians. I remember back then scratching my head thinking "Italian civil rights?"
 
When I was younger and discovered just how racist our world was, I became really upset. In grade 2 one afternoon after school I brought a girlfriend over to the house and my parents sent her home because she was German.


In grade 3 or 4 , I became good friends with an east Indian girl and that wasnā€™t allowed either. Then in school when I learned it was a LAW that blacks had to sit at the back of a public bus yet had to pay the same amount , I was genuinely shocked and started losing faith in humanity as a species. How could this be?


Even to this day I canā€™t wrap my head around the fact that we have ; satellites floating around in outer space, artificial intelligence, the World Wide Web and other technology that is so far advanced itā€™s mind boggling, yet we still snub our noses at others who are different and harbour racism. Itā€™s hard to believe we are the same people from the same era.
 
Keesha,

How soon after WWII was your German friend sent home? That wasnā€™t racism, racism is based on color of your skin. It probably had something to do with the events of WWII, IMO. The East Indian thing would have been racism.

Iā€™ve noticed most people have to snub other people to make themselves feel better or superior. The population that fat shames others, Iā€™ve seen that on this forum to a certain extent. The folks who blamed others for their medical problems because they donā€™t eat right or smoke, yup, thatā€™s here as well.

Some of the older men on the forum who think their sexual references or jokes on discussions are welcomed and appreciated by everyone. They arenā€™t. In fact, such references and jokes simply make them look old and out of touch with todayā€™s world. People judge other people. I judge other people although I try hard not to.

I think we are moving, in a way, away from racism; and moving towards a world where if some one is the least bit different than we are, we condemn them. If they are different, and a different color, than that simply increases the ā€œhateā€ and makes it look race related instead of just pure prejudicial behavior.

On the flip side, if you dislike someone, letā€™s say because they donā€™t shower, and they are a different race it looks like racism, but it is not. It such a complicated issue, it just canā€™t be solved.
 
Iā€™m sorry Aneeda but I couldnā€™t disagree with you more on this.


Racism IS the belief in the superiority of one race over another which causes discrimination and prejudice based on their race and ethnicity.


THE USE OF THE TERM ā€˜racismā€™ DOES NOT EASILY FALL UNDER A SINGLE DEFINITION.


Our world history is FULL of many examples of extreme institutional racism including the Holocaust, the Apartheid in South Africa, slavery around the world including Latin America & the segregation in North America.
 
Keesha said:
When I was younger and discovered just how racist our world was, I became really upset. In grade 2 one afternoon after school I brought a girlfriend over to the house and my parents sent her home because she was German.


In grade 3 or 4 , I became good friends with an east Indian girl and that wasnā€™t allowed either. Then in school when I learned it was a LAW that blacks had to sit at the back of a public bus yet had to pay the same amount , I was genuinely shocked and started losing faith in humanity as a species. How could this be?


Even to this day I canā€™t wrap my head around the fact that we have ; satellites floating around in outer space, artificial intelligence, the World Wide Web and other technology that is so far advanced itā€™s mind boggling, yet we still snub our noses at others who are different and harbour racism. Itā€™s hard to believe we are the same people from the same era.
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I was really lucky growing up,my parents weren't racist in anyway against anyone. Both of my parents had black friends and they often visited our house and we even went on vacations with them at times. We lived in the city and there were certain areas where certain nationalities lived in . The Irish didn't along well with the Italians. When I was dating my husband ,he is Irish and I am Italian,his Mom would always say "God save me from the Dagoes(sp) but not you Barbara".(my real name)I loved her soo much.
 

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