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What makes you think that you are the only one living in a diverse neighborhood?

My grandparents were not racists. If they had been, I would indeed be ashamed, embarrassed and regretful of their belief system, and would deeply hope that their racism didn't permanently damage the physical bodies or psyches of those whom they believed were less worthy - or of their descendants.
 
StarSong said:
Your LOLs and what you find amusing strike me as nothing short of bizarre. If my grandmother had been a racist I would be ashamed, embarrassed and regretful, not laughing about it because others might have been racist, as well.
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Agreed. Aneeda, As it happens, my grandmother was not racist, she was godmother to two First Nations children. Canada has its history of racism, racism exists here today. We are working on it. Our govt has apologised to our indigenous people, as have our churches re past residential schools abuse. As for living in a diverse neighbourhood, here in multicultural Canada, that is the norm. I don’t understand what seems to be anger towards Canada/Canadians. I am under no obligation to prove anything, neither are you. Both our countries need work in the area of racism.
 
StarSong,

I don’t remember saying I was the only one living in a diverse neighborhood, I remember asking if you live in a white neighborhood. You haven’t answered. Plus, how do you know your grandparents weren’t racist? You haven’t answered. It’s easy to proclaim I am not racist. It’s easy to proclaim my grandparents were not racist. Hard to prove.

And we haven’t even discussed the group known as poor white trash and how they fit into everything in those early years. And the folks who rented land from the plantations, forgot what they were called. The carpetbaggers who came after the civil war. The south was so complicated. But, it doesn’t matter. We are talking about people born in the 1800’s.

With all the problems these people faced, you want to play the shame blame game because they grew up in the south and had a certain way of life, and are not around to defend themselves. While proclaiming, of course, your grandparents had no racist problems. And you think my laughing is bizarre. The whole thing is bizarre.

We have four sets of grandparents. So how do you know? Did any of them grow up in the south? Have you done genealogy research? If so, were any blacks counted on the census? This is history. If you haven’t done the research, how do you know? You don’t. And neither does anyone else.

Trying to apply the social rules of 2019 to things that occurred in 1930-1940’s. Laughable.
 
Shalimar,

I am not angry at Canadians. I am extremely grateful to Canadians for their continued support of our country throughout the decades. They have also shown extreme bravery in defense of Americans. I remember, vaguely, one embassy bombing where the Canadians hide our people and got them safely out. Extraordinarily brave.

I agree both our countries have continued racial issues due to our common heritage. But seems the thread was only talking about racism in the US which was frustrating. I wanted to know if it existed in Canada, and the background of it there. Finally had to google cause my questions were not answered. So thank you for answering.

I never knew Canada had similar issues. I just wanted information. I have not called anyone grandparents racists or implied they should be ashamed of their heritage.
 
Aneeda72 said:
How do you know your grandmother wasn’t racist? And remember my mother is 94 years old, my grandmother has been dead a long time. I am not ashamed, embarrassed, or regretful of anything about her in connection to her southern belief system.

What I think is amusing, in case you missed it, is that Canadians commenting about my grandmother and not mentioning the history of racism in Canada. Let’s all jump into the pool together on this. And as far as I know, I am the only one living in a multi racial, multi culture, multi nationality neighborhood.

Is it the same for you? Or do live in a white neighborhood? Just curious.

StarSong,

I don’t remember saying I was the only one living in a diverse neighborhood, I remember asking if you live in a white neighborhood. You haven’t answered. Plus, how do you know your grandparents weren’t racist? You haven’t answered. It’s easy to proclaim I am not racist. It’s easy to proclaim my grandparents were not racist. Hard to prove.

And we haven’t even discussed the group known as poor white trash and how they fit into everything in those early years. And the folks who rented land from the plantations, forgot what they were called. The carpetbaggers who came after the civil war. The south was so complicated. But, it doesn’t matter. We are talking about people born in the 1800’s.

With all the problems these people faced, you want to play the shame blame game because they grew up in the south and had a certain way of life, and are not around to defend themselves. While proclaiming, of course, your grandparents had no racist problems. And you think my laughing is bizarre. The whole thing is bizarre.

We have four sets of grandparents. So how do you know? Did any of them grow up in the south? Have you done genealogy research? If so, were any blacks counted on the census? This is history. If you haven’t done the research, how do you know? You don’t. And neither does anyone else.

Trying to apply the social rules of 2019 to things that occurred in 1930-1940’s. Laughable.
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I happen to live in a very diverse neighborhood in a very diverse city that's in a very diverse region.

How do I know my grandparents weren't racist? Because I knew my grandparents and saw them in numerous situations and heard how they spoke. I also saw the people that they raised, i.e., my parents, who likewise weren't racist. They had plenty of flaws, but that wasn't among them. I only had two sets of grandparents. My mother's parents and my father's parents. All emigrated to the US during the period of 1890-1910 and none ever lived in the south.

Sorry, but racism is indefensible, regardless of the time period. Nothing amusing about it. Plenty of white people took the moral high ground and risked or lost their lives because of their firm belief that slavery was an abomination.

With that, I'm done with this discussion.
 
@ Star Song

Los Angeles is about as diverse as it gets! Even Beverly Hills is diverse. :laugh:

I'm following you. This thread just gets more bizarre. :eek:nthego:
 
StarSong said:
As a big fan of The Tap Room and someone who's inclined to make bawdy remarks here and there, not to mention double entendres when my brain is quick enough, I believe there is a big difference between sexual innuendos and sexism.

Note to all the old codgers on this forum: if you won't stop the occasional suggestive jokes on my account, I won't stop them on yours!

Note to anyone offended by those remarks: I sincerely apologize if I've said anything that has offended you. My jokes are meant to be light-hearted and in the spirit of good fun.
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Well, that’s just sad, that StarSong left, I was about to take the moral high ground. :). Ok, well, it’s there, I’ll take it.

One of my southern granddads was married to my southern grandmother, who I’ve been speaking about. He was my father”s mother. He fought, along with all the southern men, in WWI. He died back home due to complications from wounds received in the war and a family inherited kidney disease. He died young.

My grandmother received a pension due to his military service and death. He was a disabled WWI war veteran. A born and bred southerner, as the saying goes. He fought and died, for the right of StarSong to imply that I should be ashamed, embarrassed, and, lol, whatever the third point, was of him.

I am extremely proud of this man, my grandfather, who gave his life for our freedom, and all the other southern men. Was he a racist? He was a white southern man. I would guess he was a racist by today’s standards. I would guess he was a racist by any standard. So what? He was so much more. He died for all Americans. He was an American patriot.

The south was and is a complicated place. I couldn’t hope to understand it even if I studied it, and I haven’t. The moral high ground is this-giving your life for an ungrateful nation and an ungrateful people. (Remember folks, my husband is a disabled Vietnam combat marine-talk about ungrateful).

Yup, some people should be ashamed and embarrassed. I am not one of them.
 
Racism or discrimination or acceptance of any kind always comes down to individual choice in the here and now. No other way around it,
 
Agreed. Over 350,000 black men fought in WWI. They also fought for the right to join the military, defend our country, and die in its defense.
 
Aneeda72 said:
.......as far as I know, I am the only one living in a multi racial, multi culture, multi nationality neighborhood.

Is it the same for you? Or do live in a white neighborhood? Just curious.
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Guess I could say I live in a ‘white neighborhood’
Neighbors here are a bit spread out, like miles apart, but, yeah, white

Renegade white
Redneck white
Hermit white

Most here don’t get along in today’s society

I get along with most out here because I keep my mouth shut when they spout off

I’ve lived in the southern states, in multi race neighborhoods
I prefer it
We were all civil with each other, had cook outs, watched out for each other

Out here, one best be armed
 
Thanks Gary O’,

I was hoping for the response you gave. Multi racial neighborhoods are the same as any neighborhood. You get along, you socialize, you make friends, just like you would in any other neighborhood. Course, often you have the odd strange person which everyone knows about. Strange no one called me out on asking about who lived in white neighborhoods, and why does it matter. It doesn’t.

It’s outside a neighborhood where danger increases no matter what the color of those involved.

In today’s world most everywhere is diverse, which is why racism seems so strange, and racists so unwanted. I suppose the haters need to hate and their voice remains louder than the voices of reason. Sad.
 
By standards set by the general public at that time in history, my one set of grandparents were racist per se, but they lived and let live. They were from what is considered a southern state. It was society in general that formed their behavior. It was on a visit to Virigina when I was very young we ate at a restaurant and only white people were inside and the black people were outside sitting on ground or roadway and I remember a white man cussing at a black man for talking to his child and I never forgot that day. As society becomes educated racialism is slowly disappearing. As time goes by so slowly that we as a race of humans will not even be aware, everyone will be brown and no one will remenber Kate Smith being banned by the Yankees.
 
Norman,

I offered a little test on my post #24 which no one answered, and you have kind of. The difference between the white men stepping off the sidewalk and the black men stepping off the sidewalk. The white men looked at us, tipped their hats to us, and said something. The black men kept their eyes down and passed us without comment.

I too never forgot that day in Texas, and a couple of similar days. It makes my point, and thanks for your post. The south had rules. Everyone knew their place. Most followed the rules. If you followed the rules, then no problems. That black man, who spoke to that child, was fortunate he only got cussed out. Was the child male? I would assume he was.

But it was the same for the whites, if they broke the rules they were cussed or worst as well.
 
Aneeda72 said:
And as far as I know, I am the only one living in a multi racial, multi culture, multi nationality neighborhood.

Is it the same for you? Or do live in a white neighborhood? Just curious.
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I just counted it up and there are 18 houses on my block. Black people live in three of them. No Asians or Hispanics.

I know that's not a lot of diversity, but I think it's enough to cover me.

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Aneeda72 said:
Well, I am not 100 per cent white, but Trade, my white is whiter than your white because I am mostly Irish, and Irish is really really white. I also have a touch of German and a sprinkle of American Indian. The American Indian makes me more entitled to this piece of Mother Earth we call the United States.

I am sharing my piece of Mother Earth with anyone who wants a piece. All are welcome here, I can not wait for the “browning of America” to be complete so we can quit have these nonsensical discussions about the color of one’s skin.
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So on the one hand you are "whiter" than me because you are part Irish?

And on the other hand you are "browner" than me because you are part native American?

Here's a news flash for you. You can't have it both ways.

Oh, and by the way, that 1% Native American that you got on your DNA test?

You don't get diversity points for that.

That 1 % rounds down to zero.

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Aneeda72 said:
Norman,

I offered a little test on my post #24 which no one answered, and you have kind of. The difference between the white men stepping off the sidewalk and the black men stepping off the sidewalk. The white men looked at us, tipped their hats to us, and said something. The black men kept their eyes down and passed us without comment.

I too never forgot that day in Texas, and a couple of similar days. It makes my point, and thanks for your post. The south had rules. Everyone knew their place. Most followed the rules. If you followed the rules, then no problems. That black man, who spoke to that child, was fortunate he only got cussed out. Was the child male? I would assume he was.

But it was the same for the whites, if they broke the rules they were cussed or worst as well.
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The south had rules. Everyone knew their place. Most followed the rules. If you followed the rules, then no problems.
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Aneeda, that's got to be the most naive statement that's ever been made on this forum. (Naive, or disingenuous, not sure which.) Do you really believe that any black person who followed "the rules" had no problems? All those lynchings were the fault of the rule-breakers?
 
Lynchings? What time period are we taking about now? What specific lynchings are you taking about? Or are you just talking about lynchings in general cause you saw lynchings happen in a movie so you know about lynchings. Or you researched lynchings? Or are you talking about lynchings that happened in the free states to, you know, white people.

Or lynchings that happened to black people and white people in the south. Do you even know what you are talking about? How about American Indian lynchings? Or the Hispanic lynchings? Actually if you stole a horse in any state during certain time periods-you were lynched.

I guess if you were white and stole a horse, then you were a horse thief, but if you were black and stole a horse, and were hung, it was a racist act on the part of whoever hung you. You guys are getting more bizarre all the time.
 
Boy oh Boy, talk about a diverse spectrum of topics. Going from one thing to another. This thread started out about a singer and a baseball club banning her from singing "God Bless America" at there games for singing a racist song to lynching. Wow.
 
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