Male and Female

Ronni said:
No, you're the one who didn't understand. But I'll attribute that to my inability to make my point. I'll take another run at it when I'm not so tired.

Please. Don't insult me with the KoolAid comment. I don't deserve it.
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Ok I removed the kool aid comment since you felt it was insulting. Whether you deserve it or not is a matter of opinion. In return, I expect you to stop insulting ME with your I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. It’s not a question if understand, I understand, I understand you are wrong. Accept that you are wrong.

Now try and listen. Please either answer my questions about your contact with disabled people over the years, and/or educate yourself better as to the blight the disabled. The other alternative stop saying, to a mother who has raised four disabled children to adulthood that she “doesn’t understand” and you understand better, YOU DON”T. You never will.

As I have mentioned, I have two granddaughters who dated girls for 3 years, one crossed dressed. They were certain they were lesbians, they discovered they were wrong. How many of your relatives date the same sex or cross dress? Please, do answer the question. My granddaughters would never compare their challenges to the challenges of a disabled person.
 

How many disabled people do you see working at Walmart? Or your local grocery store?
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Until pretty recently, my local supermarket had a fellow, obviously with Downs syndrome, bagging groceries. He was pleasant and efficient, and did his job well.

However, in recent months, of course they don't have anyone bagging groceries. You have to do it yourself. I hope he didn't lose his job (probably did.)
 
Sunny said:
Until pretty recently, my local supermarket had a fellow, obviously with Downs syndrome, bagging groceries. He was pleasant and efficient, and did his job well.

However, in recent months, of course they don't have anyone bagging groceries. You have to do it yourself. I hope he didn't lose his job (probably did.)
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People with Downs syndrome and other disabilities are, in most states, in quarantine for protection from the virus, because of preexisting conditions. He can probably have the job back when the virus is over and he is vaccinated.

My son worked at a restaurant wrapping forks and spoons in a napkin and putting butter in a dish. He really needed the money he made and he can not get unemployment. It was great when his group home got a fourth roommate to help split the bills.
 
MarciKS said:
The 6 Most Common Biological Sexes in Humans

The Six Most Common Karyotypes

  • X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
  • XX – Most common form of female
  • XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
  • XY – Most common form of male
  • XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
  • XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female. Many times, these people are unaware of their true sex. It’s interesting to note that everyone assumes that they, personally, are XY or XX. One study in Great Britain showed that 97 out of 100 people who were XYY had no idea. They thought they were a traditional male and had few signs otherwise.
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Very interesting thread on a subject where I am completely ignorant. Some of the views and comments were particularly revealing.

I do have a couple of quick questions in case anyone knows:
1. Would I be correct in assuming that this distribution in common across the globe and all cultures?
2. Does a similar pattern exist among other mammals?
 
Male, or female, what else is there? Outer space alien?
Could be that when a child has an emotional & sexual desire for one of their same gender , it could be they were born with a hormonal, neurological mishap. That does not make them less able to(as many have proven) to do well in life.
I do not believe homosexuality is fine and dandy, nor should it be condemned. However, male and female DNA is still a part of them, they are not a 'third' sex.
 
MarciKS said:
no offense but this kind of thing was never discussed or taught in school. and i never saw anyone kill themselves because they weren't in their right body. not in their right minds maybe. i just find it odd how society is always latching on to the next new hip thing. everyone suddenly thinks they have a disability or they suddenly think their gay or transgendered. it's always something. if some goof ball turned around tomorrow and said we came from cats and not apes like they originally thought, what kind of behavior do you think people would exhibit then? swapping out protein bars with catnip bars and licking their hands and wearing collars?

just for the record, i'm not mad, please don't get all up in arms. this is just an opinion. i'm not out to offend anyone or make anyone mad.
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Love it. :)
 
Ronni said:
Y'know, I have to say, taking opinions completely out of the mix, and just looking at simply the physiology of human bodies, the way they replicate the human genome....essentially the pure science....and I have to laugh.

The human body is amazing. The design is impeccable. However we got here, whether it's God's creation, or rising up out of the mud, or alien invasion or any other theory you might want to posit, the end result is a species capable of withstanding the enormous stressors and capriciousness of the earth and mother nature, and arriving where we are today.

The replication of humans isn't perfect. There are all manner of things that can happen, that DO happen, during that replication process, that result in .... I don't even know what word to use, because they are all so fraught these days with political correctness, efforts to not insult, to not infer inferiority or damage or imperfection. So I'll just say that the replication process doesn't always produce the exact result that the blueprint of our DNA would expect us to produce. We have dwarfism, and Downs Syndrome, and anomalies with organs and limbs and brains. We have kids born with holes in their hearts, and spina bifida and blood abnormalities and the countless other differences that our replication process produces. Children with such differences aren't condemned because they're "different." On the contrary there are countless organizations and hospitals and support groups and everything else dedicated to supporting these kids and their families, to make life as easy as possible for them.

Why, then, should a gender dysmorphia be any different? How come it's fine to support and encourage and empathize with the families who are dealing with all those situations I mentioned with their kids, but let a child be born with the physiological equipment that determines that they're of one sex, but their brains and hearts and minds all let them know in every possible way that they're NOT that...how come they are marginalized, ridiculed, preached to, condemned for that?

How come THOSE kids are looked upon as abnormal, sinful, damaged, when their counterparts with the deformed limbs, the heart holes, the spinal abnormalities, the countless other maladies that wrench our hearts and our sympathies, how come THEY deserve our compassion while the gender issues are condemned. It's just one more way that the human genome isn't typical, doesn't follow an a - b path, isn't absolutely perfect.

We treasure and support and fund raise and empathize with all those other imperfections. Why not gender dysmorphia? WHY?
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Excellent and so true. I've personal experience with "Why are you shaking!?" Essential Tremor disorder.
 
Elsie said:
Excellent and so true. I've personal experience with "Why are you shaking!?" Essential Tremor disorder.
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Sorry you have E T. It's so much fun when people see you shaking they right away think alcohol or drug abuse or you
area nervous wreck. :( sheesh.
 
Elsie said:
Male, or female, what else is there? Outer space alien?
Could be that when a child has an emotional & sexual desire for one of their same gender , it could be they were born with a hormonal, neurological mishap. That does not make them less able to(as many have proven) to do well in life.
I do not believe homosexuality is fine and dandy, nor should it be condemned. However, male and female DNA is still a part of them, they are not a 'third' sex.
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Please read the article on two genders is not correct that I posted earlier. They explain it more accurately than I could ever try to do. The information is out there one only needs to read it and agree, disagree or accept that there is more to the view than they had considered and realize they need to learn more to form an opinion.
 
Pecos said:
Very interesting thread on a subject where I am completely ignorant. Some of the views and comments were particularly revealing.

I do have a couple of quick questions in case anyone knows:
1. Would I be correct in assuming that this distribution in common across the globe and all cultures?
2. Does a similar pattern exist among other mammals?
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Great questions! I'll have to look to find out if I can see if there are answers to them.

We know that there are non biological pairings that occur in nature (female-female parings in seagulls and male-male pairings in penguins) but I'm not aware of it happening in mammals. However we do know that female bonobos do form bonds or have sexual relations to strengthen their relationships.
 
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