I read about situations like that, but they usually involved young kids who were in freezing water. Supposedly, the cold temperature had a lot to do with it.
Man dead for 45 minutes says he awoke after seeing afterlife
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rgp
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Not arguing, just thinking out loud.........Makes me wonder if they were actually dead ?....or perhaps just in some sort of low-pulse state ?
Oxygen being "pumped" in the blood at a low level is entirely different than none at all. ?????? Who knows.
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I'm not buying any of this. Nobody is going without breathing for 45 minutes. That's BS. At 6 minutes without oxygenated blood, the brain begins to deteriorate. As to "recalls" about near death experiences, they vary from culture to culture. There are not all the same. And they are as valid as dreams. And, they are called "NEAR death experience", so by definition, you aren't dead. It's like being called the NEAR winner of the lottery.
Patio Life
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He died "in the hospital" and woke up on his own ...
So they did nothing in the hospital? I don't buy it.
So they did nothing in the hospital? I don't buy it.
There are sleep disorders in which the person briefly hallucinates seeing people who have been long dead. Not dreaming, I mean suddenly waking from sleep and, with one's eyes open, actually "seeing" those people for a few seconds. Then the "apparitions" fade.
I suspect that these near death accounts of seeing loved ones are very much the same thing. Religion has nothing to do with it. Death has nothing to do with it. It's a mysterious phenomenon that our brain experiences in extreme circumstances.
I suspect that these near death accounts of seeing loved ones are very much the same thing. Religion has nothing to do with it. Death has nothing to do with it. It's a mysterious phenomenon that our brain experiences in extreme circumstances.
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If you read Annie's link regarding the "Lazarus Syndrome" you will see one thought "is the buildup of pressure in the chest as a result of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). The relaxation of pressure after resuscitation efforts have ended is thought to allow the heart to expand, triggering the heart's electrical impulses and restarting the heartbeat.
Examples listed are all referenced with sources in Annie's link (I made Bold the amount of time declared dead):
A 27-year-old man in the UK collapsed after overdosing on heroin and cocaine. Paramedics gave him an injection, and he recovered enough to walk to the ambulance. He went into cardiac arrest in transit. After 25 minutes of resuscitation efforts, the patient was verbally declared dead. About a minute after resuscitation ended, a nurse noticed a rhythm on the heart monitor and resuscitation was resumed. The patient recovered fully.[5]
A 66-year-old man suffering from a suspected abdominal aneurysm suffered cardiac arrest and received chest compressions and defibrillation shocks for 17 minutes during treatment for his condition. Vital signs did not return; the patient was declared dead and resuscitation efforts ended. Ten minutes later, the surgeon felt a pulse. The aneurysm was successfully treated, and the patient fully recovered with no lasting physical or neurological problems.[2]
According to a 2002 article in the journal Forensic Science International, a 65-year-old prelingually deaf Japanese male was found unconscious in the foster home he lived in. CPR was attempted on the scene by home staff, emergency medical personnel and also in the emergency department of the hospital and included appropriate medications and defibrillation. He was declared dead after attempted resuscitation. However, a policeman found the person moving in the mortuary after 20 minutes. The patient survived for 4 more days.[6]
A 45-year-old woman in Colombia was pronounced dead, as there were no vital signs showing she was alive. Later, a funeral worker noticed the woman moving and alerted his co-worker that the woman should go back to the hospital.[7][8]
A 65-year-old man in Malaysia came back to life two-and-a-half hours after doctors at Seberang Jaya Hospital, Penang, pronounced him dead. He died three weeks later.[9]
Anthony Yahle, 37, in Bellbrook, Ohio, USA, was breathing abnormally at 4 a.m. on 5 August 2013, and could not be woken. After finding that Yahle had no pulse, first responders administered CPR and were able to retrieve a stable-enough heartbeat to transport him to the Emergency Room. Later that afternoon, coded for 45 minutes at Kettering Medical Center and was pronounced dead after all efforts to resuscitate him failed. When his son arrived at the hospital to visit his supposed-to-be deceased father, he noticed a heartbeat on the monitor that was still attached to his father. Resuscitation efforts were resumed, and Yahle was successfully revived.[10]
Walter Williams, 78, from Lexington, Mississippi, United States, was at home when his hospice nurse called a coroner who arrived and declared him dead at 9 p.m. on 26 February 2014. Once at a funeral home, he was found to be moving, possibly resuscitated by a defibrillator implanted in his chest.[11] The next day he was well enough to be talking with family, but died fifteen days later.[12]
Record: Velma Thomas, 59, of West Virginia, USA holds the record time for recovering from clinical death. In May 2008, Thomas went into cardiac arrest at her home. Medics were able to establish a faint pulse after eight minutes of CPR. Her heart stopped twice after arriving at the hospital and she was placed on life support. Doctors attempted to lower her body temperature to prevent additional brain injury. She was declared clinically dead for 17 hours after doctors failed to detect brain activity. Her son, Tim Thomas, stated that "her skin had already started hardening, her hands and toes were curling up, they were already drawn". She was taken off life support and funeral arrangements were in progress. However, ten minutes after being taken off life support, she revived and recovered.[13][14]
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Lara
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The key words in your post are "briefly" and "for a few seconds". That's like a snapshot. Near death experiences are longer than that. There is more content and sometimes conversation.
You're right that there is something the brain puts together as a snapshot for those with a psychological disorder such as ptsd, anxiety, depression, etc. It's called Intrusive Involuntary Images. But that's a totally different thing from a NDE (near death experiences). NDE's are more like a video from another dimension rather than a snapshot of old relatives.
Edit: Plus you're in the video and you're the main character.
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Knight
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Talking to his M I L would mean that after death a sentient being [ A sentient being is one who perceives and responds to sensations of whatever kind - sight, hearing, touch, taste, or smell. ]would be what to expect. Seems a little strange to me that out of the billions supposedly occupying someplace beyond the sun, moon & stars his M I L was there to greet him.
What happened to the description in Rev. 4:8-11
What happened to the description in Rev. 4:8-11
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Whatever the cause of Lazarus Syndrome, it's not as though researchers can ethically study it! I can imagine the study participant consent form ...we're going to hook you to all kinds of monitors, stop your heart and hope you're one of the ones that spontaneously 'comes back to life.' 
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Don M.
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There have been many cases, over the years, where a person has seemed to die, then came back to life. In some respects, as I get older, I am somewhat curious about what happens to the "soul/spirit" after the old body gives out. I'm not very religious...in the "Formal" sense, but I do believe there is a power/God, far more complex than our feeble little minds can comprehend, and our spirit lives on in a new existence...determined by how we have behaved in this life.
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It's kind of like these old threads being resurrected. 
Women comes back to life after 17 hours being dead
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...ck-to-life-after-being-dead-for-17-hours.html
What it’s like to wake up dead
https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-its-like-to-wake-up-dead
Woman wakes up in morgue after 11 hours
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/19085621
There are so many like this. It’s so spooky.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...ck-to-life-after-being-dead-for-17-hours.html
What it’s like to wake up dead
https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-its-like-to-wake-up-dead
Woman wakes up in morgue after 11 hours
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/19085621
There are so many like this. It’s so spooky.
Great posts Lara. I really appreciated reading your input on this.
StarSong
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My husband and my mother were very close. If he had a near death experience and said he was greeted by my mother neither he nor I would find that surprising.
When my mother was in the hospital because of a collapsed lung and she had Pulmonary Fibrosis (which means your lungs eventually turn to stone) she had heart failure and went into heart arrest. Her doctor said she almost died and she was near death for about nine days and one of the doctors said we just should let her go. My mom apparently didn't agree. And even though, after more than two months, she did eventually succumb, I am so grateful we had those couple of months. But now I feel guilty that we should have let her go sooner. It's always such a heartbreaking thing to decide. And she was just seven years older than me at this point in my life. Anyway, when she woke up I asked if she remembered anything about the time she had the heart failure and almost died and she told me no. She was a very religious woman. I have had signs from her, though, that she's still with me in all these past years.
That is just silly. It reminds me of when some atheists answer with there can't be life after death when a dead body doesn't get up and walk again. Seriously, you're thinking that after-death survival means zombie apocalypse on a universal scale? Even then to assuage your worry about the universe losing space for all these surviving souls, is that the universe is way larger than your post makes it seem than you think it is,.
I for one, have no desire to go on further than the life I have now. I mean seriously the way some psychics describe like after death the same as when you lived on earth. Ridiculous.. However I do in some way go along with Jung's idea of universal consciousness. I can somewhat intellectually go for that, and still feel my mother here with me.
Knight
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No Olivia I wasn't thinking of a zombie apocalypse. But for the man to have a conversation with his M I L only a sentient being would be capable of that. The some place is is supposed to be not in the sky above, not somewhere in the universe we know but somewhere beyond.
sentient
adjective
having the power of perception by the senses; conscious.
characterized by sensation and consciousness.
noun
a person or thing that is sentient.
Archaic. the conscious mind.
According to the op's post the M I L told the man it wasn't his time.
So if we are to believe the man we would also have to believe the billions of people that died from the beginning of man to now are up there some where conscious & perceiving by their senses all new arrivals or as some believe the rejections
sentient
adjective
having the power of perception by the senses; conscious.
characterized by sensation and consciousness.
noun
a person or thing that is sentient.
Archaic. the conscious mind.
According to the op's post the M I L told the man it wasn't his time.
So if we are to believe the man we would also have to believe the billions of people that died from the beginning of man to now are up there some where conscious & perceiving by their senses all new arrivals or as some believe the rejections
You haven't said anything different to what I already replied to.
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He obviously owes back taxes.
fmdog44
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Starve the brain of oxygen for 45 minutes will turn him in to a vegetable. People have been declared dead and awoke in the morgue.
Knight
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Different than what the op posted. The man walked along a flower lined path & had a conversation with his M I L. What I think you are saying is you sense the presence of your mother at times.
Christians believe there is a heaven & hell where life after death is real. Conversation with the M I L would mean after death the dead feel & sense. Heaven as I posted isn't the sky above, our universe but some place external to what we can see.
Modern humans have existed for roughly 200,000 years. The species to which humans belong, Homo sapiens, is the only species of human alive today. However, all species in the genus Homo are technically humans. This includes Homo habilis, the oldest undisputed species in the genus at 2.2 million years old.
If we are to believe the man we would have to believe that in 2.2 million years billions of humans feeling & sensing after death are either in heaven or hell.
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While I try to keep an open mind, I am deeply suspicious of whether this guy was actually dead all that time. The body's tissues, and particularly the brain, start to deteriorate much earlier than the alleged 45 minutes.
I already answered you. Thank you for using my mom as part of your argument. Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think. If you can't take an answer that doesn't comport with your world view, then I will ask you to shut the ---- up. Because now you've pissed me off.
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