National guard troops to the border

Ken N Tx said:
Any stats on what other countries are coming through Mexico into the US???
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I have no specific stats only what I have learned in conversations with I.C.E. and border patrol. But they tell me, that there are more than a few Russians sneaking across in southern border. In addition there are Chinese, Africans and tons of Hondurans, El Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Columbians, and a host of Caribbean Islanders.

I can personally testify that I see one hell of a lot of Africans hanging out in Tijuana looking for a chance to sneak across.
I can also tell you that there are places, right here in the San Diego County/Tijuana area were it is too easy to just step across a 5' tall fence where the locals have piled dirt against it.
 

Knight said:
Why not use the same immigration laws Canada or Mexico has? Obviously the laws in place in America aren't working. Netflix has an excellent series on how Canada's border entry works. One episode showed a man wih a huge amount of prescriptions he uses being stopped. The concern was he would set up residency to use the Canadian health care system to supply his needs. He was denied entry !!


I can't understand why catch and return immediately is not in place now. The way it is now is beyond rediculous.


A wall is not a perfect solution but one that can slow the massive numbers heading to America for benefits. Or am I wrong in believing the stats showing use of social assistance in it's many forms?


Fine employers, catch & return immediately, beef up the borders with national guard or military, deport the criminal illegals, stop funding for sanctuary cities & or states. All doable to get back to processing application for those that want to enter America legally.
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The US has been far too soft on enforcement of illegal immigration for over thirty five years. I put the blame on every administration. The employers (read lobbyists) want cheap labor, so the lawmakers (joke) look the other way. A study done some years back (2007 IIRC) by a Princeton University professor showed a wall or fence did assist in apprehension of illegals on the southern border. There is no 100% infallible solution, but a combination of punishing those reaping the benefits of illegal labor and preventing more from crossing into the US would be a good start.
 
C'est Moi said:
Agree. And furthermore, the "illegal" ones still need to be deported. I have no problem with LEGAL immigration, work visas, etc. It's ILLEGALS that make my blood boil.
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Do you remember the young woman who was killed in San Francisco by an illegal ? The killer has been deported FIVE TIMES.
 

IMO, I have to totally agree with Traveler. Way to many people come here from Mexico and don't ever want to become citizens. Question is and remains.........why not? Don't want to become an American, it's plain and simple.......don't come here!

And, what also get's me is, when calling a Customer Service, the recording will say English or Spanish? If we shut down the "Spanish" speaking line, another problem solved.
 
Do people know that here in California a law has been passed making it illegal for ANY state employee to ask for proof of legal residency ? Thus, any illegal can just walk into the DMV and get a drivers license AND a voter regestration card. Hmm. Voters card, just think about what THAT means. Free food stamps, free medical care, free schooling and a get out of jail free card.

I wish I could cite who is responsible for this insane law but my hands are tied.
 
My dad used to say, America stopped being America...the day the jet was invented.
It bridged that big puddle between us & the rest of the world. And we are now becoming just part of....the rest of the world.

That was him:......

This is me:......

People used to immigrate here, not just to live . But to have a life, an American life...that's all gone. Now they want to come here & game the system, and make us conform to their way.

Much as i hate to say it....Much like we did the "new-world natives when we [our ancestors] arrived. I think perhaps we are now paying the price for the sins of our fathers?

Maybe our ancestors should have tried harder to assimilate into the the way of the "new-world" natives, as opposed to demanding that they adapt their European way / religion / food / dress...etc?

Either way, the country is changing & will continue to so in a way that most of us do not like. Oddly, the younger ones seem to embrace it ?
 
JB in SC said:
I suspect the young will embrace it until it encroaches on their lifestyle or job opportunities.
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Honestly...I'm not so sure. They seem to be more flexible than us...And our young appear to be more open to their lifestyle....And they really don't want our old jobs anyway. Although "blue-collar" jobs do seem to be making a comeback?
 
Robusta said:
There is a very simple answer. The Chamber of Commerce blocks it at every opportunity. Prosecute the employers of undocumented workers. Levy massive crippling fines! Limiting the amount of money sent home would also be very helpful.

We are a bipolar nation!
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BINGO!! Cut the traffic by hindering the opportunists who hire and use these people. There are laws but we understand hunger too. We need to cut off the REASON for coming here. I believe the DACA children are victims and should stay as citizens. You can disagree but not alter my opinion.
 
rgp said:
Honestly...I'm not so sure. They seem to be more flexible than us...And our young appear to be more open to their lifestyle....And they really don't want our old jobs anyway. Although "blue-collar" jobs do seem to be making a comeback?
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The jobs the young want now will either be outsourced or will be the sole domain of computers (not as we know them now) in less than ten years, if not sooner.

Concerning "blue collar" jobs, try calling a plumber that's not busy.
 
Traveler said:
Do people know that here in California a law has been passed making it illegal for ANY state employee to ask for proof of legal residency ? Thus, any illegal can just walk into the DMV and get a drivers license AND a voter regestration card. Hmm. Voters card, just think about what THAT means. Free food stamps, free medical care, free schooling and a get out of jail free card.

I wish I could cite who is responsible for this insane law but my hands are tied.
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I would love to state what is Americas greatest threat but, likewise, my hands are tied.
 
AZ Jim said:
BINGO!! Cut the traffic by hindering the opportunists who hire and use these people. There are laws but we understand hunger too. We need to cut off the REASON for coming here. I believe the DACA children are victims and should stay as citizens. You can disagree but not alter my opinion.
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Dry up the source and they will leave. Granting them (DACA) automatic citizenship diminishes the sacrifices of millions of others whom have worked very hard to become citizens. The path for them shouldn't be any easier than any other immigrant.
 
JB in SC said:
Dry up the source and they will leave. Granting them (DACA) automatic citizenship diminishes the sacrifices of millions of others whom have worked very hard to become citizens. The path for them shouldn't be any easier than any other immigrant.
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I see this as a very valid point also.
 
JB in SC said:
Dry up the source and they will leave. Granting them (DACA) automatic citizenship diminishes the sacrifices of millions of others whom have worked very hard to become citizens. The path for them shouldn't be any easier than any other immigrant.
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DACA only affects the children who were brought here, no one else. They are victims.
 
AZ Jim said:
BINGO!! Cut the traffic by hindering the opportunists who hire and use these people. There are laws but we understand hunger too. We need to cut off the REASON for coming here. I believe the DACA children are victims and should stay as citizens. You can disagree but not alter my opinion.
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I agree that the DACA kids should be granted citizenship unless they have been convicted of a felony.

I also believe that we should work with Mexico, Canada and the other countries/territories that make up North America to create safe/secure borders for North America while working to create a guest visa/worker program that would allow any resident of North America to apply for work permits that would allow them to travel and work anywhere in North America.

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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
AZ Jim said:
DACA only affects the children who were brought here, no one else. They are victims.
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But they were brought here by criminals...their criminal parents that ignored our laws. If the 'children' are old enough to be self reliant ? Fine let them stay as citizens...If however they are young & dependent? Send them back with their criminal parents.

We need to send a message of changing intolerance .
 
After all is said and done, it finally comes down to who will destroy America, and who will save it.

We can't fight the tsunami of immigration and, at the same time fight our own citizens who want to destroy America.

Remember what the 20th century's greatest historian, Will Durant, said :

"No great civilization is ever destroyed from without, until it has destroyed itself from within."

I hope everyone has jelly in their pockets, 'cause we're all toast.
 
AZ Jim said:
DACA only affects the children who were brought here, no one else. They are victims.
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Victim implies they suffered harm. What harm have they suffered from being here? If anything they have enjoyed the benefits and opportunity of the United States. Realistically I don't see them being deported en mass, that might constitute harm. I have a problem with granting citizenship just because someone brought them here as children.
 
I hope everyone knows what an "anchor baby" is.
If not, it works like this, A Mexican woman who is late term pregnant, gets a temporary visitor visa and her "visits" her sister, brother, cousin, or friend etc. When it is time, she goes to the hospital to have her baby. Never pays, of course. The baby, naturally, automatically becomes an American citizen by virtue of being born in the U.S.

Mother and baby return to Mexico and wait until baby is 18. At that age he/she is automatically granted entry back into the U.S. He/she gets a job and then turns around and applies for a permanent visa for mom. Together they apply for visas for the rest of the family (one by one). soon the entire family is living in the U.S. And so it continues. Soon, like in California, there are more Mexicans than all the other groups combined. Last month on the news it was officially announced that Mexicans comprised 51% of the states population.

Signed, A resident of Mexico Del Norte
 
Aunt Bea said:
I agree that the DACA kids should be granted citizenship unless they have been convicted of a felony.

I also believe that we should work with Mexico, Canada and the other countries/territories that make up North America to create safe/secure borders for North America while working to create a guest visa/worker program that would allow any resident of North America to apply for work permits that would allow them to travel and work anywhere in North America.
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Superb post.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I agree that the DACA kids should be granted citizenship unless they have been convicted of a felony.

I also believe that we should work with Mexico, Canada and the other countries/territories that make up North America to create safe/secure borders for North America while working to create a guest visa/worker program that would allow any resident of North America to apply for work permits that would allow them to travel and work anywhere in North America.
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While I hate politics I’ve gotta agree. This is an excellent post.
Gotta love that Martin Luther King :D
 
Aunt Bea said:
... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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So this means that in all of the world wars, America should never have become involved, should never have killed a single enemy?

We should just love North Korea's threats to annihilate us?

I'm confused ...
 
Nice statement quoting MLK but it does not apply to the current immigration problem. Trying to stop the flood of illegals is NOT violence. One of it's many goals is to stop, or at minimum slow down the extreme violence caused by drug gangs and their product.
 

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