No booster = Unvaccinated?

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Tom 86 said:
I agree. I remember all of those. Now there are places that won't let you in to see a movie or eat without showing your vax card. Looks like we are going the way of the USSR & China very slowly.

A friend & I was going to go eat at a nice restaurant. At the door is a sign. " You must show vax card or not get waited on". So we turned around & left like so many others done also. I wonder how long they will be in business?
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It's happening fast I think. Not so subtle at all. Over a year ago we were told this year we would be back to normal. This year you can't work unless you submit to a vaccine and the U.S. is becoming Australia - Fast!
 
win231 said:
1. Here's a better idea: YOU stay away from others. You have that choice. You do not decide where others go; you only wish you had that authority.
2. If you're vaccinated, you wouldn't care who went near you; you would be protected by your vaccine. Why do you lack faith in it? And since you lack faith in it, why did you get it?
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This is why you are not very smart. Read more than once because you understand very little the first time around. People that are vaccinated CAN STILL GET SICK from the idiots that think they have the God given right to spread the disease. The difference is they will not die and will not need intensive care like the unvaccinated morons will (and never pay for it if they survive). Funny how you nonbelievers run to hospitals for help after you catch the Covid while denying science prior. How many people with non-Covid illnesses were denied intensive care beds because of nonvaccinated fools claiming it is their right to treatments after claiming it is their right to ignore medical science?
 

fmdog44 said:
This is why you are not very smart. Read more than once because you understand very little the first time around. People that are vaccinated CAN STILL GET SICK from the idiots that think they have the God given right to spread the disease. The difference is they will not die and will not need intensive care like the unvaccinated morons will (and never pay for it if they survive). Funny how you nonbelievers run to hospitals for help after you catch the Covid while denying science prior. How many people with non-Covid illnesses were denied intensive care beds because of nonvaccinated fools claiming it is their right to treatments after claiming it is their right to ignore medical science?
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^^^^ Programmed Robot.
You understand absolutely nothing the first time around.
Or the second, third & fourth.
 
I would like to know when enough is enough. Are we going to force 100% of the population to get vaccinated before we don't have to wear those masks? Then how many vaccines is enough? Two and a boaster shot? Three shots? Four? Five? Six? When are we going to reach this so called "herd immunity" or is this just some sort of media fairy tale? The drug companies must be laughing all the way to the banks.
 
CarolfromTX said:
It’s the camel’s nose under the tent. What’s next? Flu shot mandates? Mandates on the number of children you can have? where does it end? My body, my choice. I chose to get the vaccine. What anyone else does should not involve losing their job.
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Packerjohn said:
I would like to know when enough is enough. Are we going to force 100% of the population to get vaccinated before we don't have to wear those masks? Then how many vaccines is enough? Two and a boaster shot? Three shots? Four? Five? Six? When are we going to reach this so called "herd immunity" or is this just some sort of media fairy tale? The drug companies must be laughing all the way to the banks.
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That's exactly what they're doing.
When I saw my Dr. in January so I could refill my Rx for Insulin, he said, "Well, after we're all vaccinated, we can stop wearing these silly masks."
I said, "I'm not interested in the vaccine."
He said, "You know, there's something to be said for that."
 
win231 said:
That's exactly what they're doing.
When I saw my Dr. in January so I could refill my Rx for Insulin, he said, "Well, after we're all vaccinated, we can stop wearing these silly masks."
I said, "I'm not interested in the vaccine."
He said, "You know, there's something to be said for that."
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I just saw my Dr last week. We got to talking about the booster shots. Since I've only had the one Maderna shot & it put me in the hospital for 4 days. Also, a pulmonary Dr. at the hospital told me to NEVER get any more Conav-19 shots as my lungs will not take them.

My P.C. Dr. last week said if I didn't have to take the shots to work here I wouldn't take them either. He said he's seen too many older people die just from one shot.

So again I asked what should I do since they're now wanting vax cards to get into places. He told me to NOT get the shots or boosters or I could die. He & other Drs are trying to get the CDC to approve a Dr's card that will exempt people from the shots if they have other health problems.
 
Tom 86 said:
I just saw my Dr last week. We got to talking about the booster shots. Since I've only had the one Maderna shot & it put me in the hospital for 4 days. Also, a pulmonary Dr. at the hospital told me to NEVER get any more Conav-19 shots as my lungs will not take them.

My P.C. Dr. last week said if I didn't have to take the shots to work here I wouldn't take them either. He said he's seen too many older people die just from one shot.

So again I asked what should I do since they're now wanting vax cards to get into places. He told me to NOT get the shots or boosters or I could die. He & other Drs are trying to get the CDC to approve a Dr's card that will exempt people from the shots if they have other health problems.
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You're lucky. I just lost a friend of mine who had health issues & he got a flu shot on his doctor's advice "Due to his preexisting condition." After it put him in the hospital with breathing problems, his doctor then said, "No flu shots; No Covid shots." He died anyway. He was only 66.
 
Tom 86 said:
I just saw my Dr last week. We got to talking about the booster shots. Since I've only had the one Maderna shot & it put me in the hospital for 4 days. Also, a pulmonary Dr. at the hospital told me to NEVER get any more Conav-19 shots as my lungs will not take them.

My P.C. Dr. last week said if I didn't have to take the shots to work here I wouldn't take them either. He said he's seen too many older people die just from one shot.

So again I asked what should I do since they're now wanting vax cards to get into places. He told me to NOT get the shots or boosters or I could die. He & other Drs are trying to get the CDC to approve a Dr's card that will exempt people from the shots if they have other health problems.
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Now that is a sensible idea, but it will probably never happen because there is such a push to stick a needle in everyone's arm. I wish them luck though.
 
win231 said:
That's exactly what they're doing.
When I saw my Dr. in January so I could refill my Rx for Insulin, he said, "Well, after we're all vaccinated, we can stop wearing these silly masks."
I said, "I'm not interested in the vaccine."
He said, "You know, there's something to be said for that."
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Insulin! Insulin! Aagh! You're being programmed! You're an insulin-using robot! Eek!
 
Packerjohn said:
I would like to know when enough is enough. Are we going to force 100% of the population to get vaccinated before we don't have to wear those masks? Then how many vaccines is enough? Two and a boaster shot? Three shots? Four? Five? Six? When are we going to reach this so called "herd immunity" or is this just some sort of media fairy tale? The drug companies must be laughing all the way to the banks.
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100% vaccinated? Vaccinated people can still get Covid and spread it to other vaccinated people. There have been fully vaccinated people infected with Covid and hospitalized and died. So even with 100% vaccination which realistically won't happen, are troops going to go into the Amazon jungle and hunt down the indigenous people and inject them? Or in other sparse populations extremely remote when only seldom they interact with others?
 
Becky1951 said:
100% vaccinated? Vaccinated people can still get Covid and spread it to other vaccinated people. There have been fully vaccinated people infected with Covid and hospitalized and died. So even with 100% vaccination which realistically won't happen, are troops going to go into the Amazon jungle and hunt down the indigenous people and inject them? Or in other sparse populations extremely remote when only seldom they interact with others?
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My point exactly Becky. There will always be unvaccinated people. It isn't even realistic to think otherwise!

The problem with this vaccine is it's not a "sterilizing" vaccine such as we had for polio, small pox and measles. A sterilizing vaccine does provide immunity for the vaccinated and nontransmission once inoculated. Respiratory viruses don't respond to vaccines as other diseases do. It seems we should just learn to live with this and that may eventually happen. But what will be left of society as we have known it before people finally say "enough"!!! Not much I fear.
 
Don't be so harsh on people that are not vaccinated. There are underlying problems so they can't get it. You are not walking in their shoes. My one G.S. 9 years old has some medical problems so the Drs said NO vaccine for him.

I'm going for a blood test this Wednesday for my Dr. I see next Monday. He wants to see what Conav-19 ?? is floating in my blood for the virus. Since I'm still very sick from the shot. Before the shot, I was doing everything I wanted to do. Now I can't even clean my house, I'm too weak. To walk 62 ft from one end of my house to the other with a walker I get winded & can hardly breathe.
 
Tom 86 said:
Don't be so harsh on people that are not vaccinated. There are underlying problems so they can't get it. You are not walking in their shoes. My one G.S. 9 years old has some medical problems so the Drs said NO vaccine for him.

I'm going for a blood test this Wednesday for my Dr. I see next Monday. He wants to see what Conav-19 ?? is floating in my blood for the virus. Since I'm still very sick from the shot. Before the shot, I was doing everything I wanted to do. Now I can't even clean my house, I'm too weak. To walk 62 ft from one end of my house to the other with a walker I get winded & can hardly breathe.
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You're right. Every single person here who is not vaccinated has a health issue which prevents them from being so. Some have tried one shot and been so sickened by it they were told by their doctor not to get the second shot and another lost an immediate family to the vaccine so enough with this division and hatred and wasted energy.

There are going to be unvaxxed people in this world because of the reasons stated above and no one can change that fact. Period.
 
There's a great deal of places in the uk where you will not be permitted entry unless proof of double vaccination is shown ..or a Covid lateral test Pass...

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Tom 86 said:
Don't be so harsh on people that are not vaccinated. There are underlying problems so they can't get it. You are not walking in their shoes. My one G.S. 9 years old has some medical problems so the Drs said NO vaccine for him.

I'm going for a blood test this Wednesday for my Dr. I see next Monday. He wants to see what Conav-19 ?? is floating in my blood for the virus. Since I'm still very sick from the shot. Before the shot, I was doing everything I wanted to do. Now I can't even clean my house, I'm too weak. To walk 62 ft from one end of my house to the other with a walker I get winded & can hardly breathe.
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The coach in the article I posted has not claimed to have any medical issues that would prevent him from getting the jab. He did apply for a religious exemption, but it was denied. If he had any "underlying problems" he should have come forward with them to the University, but he did not. I suspect he was counting on the University giving him a pass, because, well, coach. He took a $3 million gamble and lost.

The number I've seen for those truly at medical risk when taking the shot is 1% or less of the population. We are all very aware of your issues, and are certainly sympathetic. Just keep in mind that over 404 million doses have been administered in the US and over 95% of us seniors have had at least one jab.
 
More and more, it's obvious that the same small group on this forum are posting endlessly about how "dangerous" the vaccine is, how any vaccine mandates are an infringement on human rights, and so on. They love any statistics that show breakthrough cases (even though they are nearly always mild and uneventful), and joyfully come up with very dubious stories about people dying after receiving the vaccine. (Even though the vaccine had nothing to do with their death; everybody eventually dies of something).

This is the same contingent that loves to make fun of scientists, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies, all of whom are working overtime to keep us alive. There is a strong element of paranoia in this ("they are injecting poison into our bodies!") and a pathological fear of injections comes through. With some it's political, with others it's trolling (looking for fights) via constant sneering and taunting. And with some, there is a belief in horse deworming substances instead of the amazingly effective and safe vaccine.

Most of this stuff was promulgated and is continued by Fox News and other right-wing media. We all listen to, read, and believe whatever makes sense to us. If utter nonsense, and frequently lies, fit in with our belief system, we believe them anyway, and see ourselves as heroes in further spreading the lies. And that's where the Internet and its social media can be very dangerous. People who are a little bit naive can be led down very dangerous ways of thinking, and it spreads exponentially, much as the virus does.

If someone has underlying health issues that prevent them from tolerating the vaccine, I sympathize. But it seems to me that someone in that situation would keep it to themself, as a private health matter. Maybe it's appropriate to discuss it with their family, immediate friends, and their doctor. Maybe mention it once in a forum, if helpful to other people. If you are allergic to, say, penicillin and other antibiotics, would you conduct an endless campaign against the medical use of antibiotics? Why the constant propaganda-spreading against the vaccine that the great majority of us can and do get, thankful that we are protected against a horrible death from this killer disease? It's like a soapbox that this tiny segment never seem to get off.

I should add that by now, the majority of Americans (and probably most of the developed world) have received the vaccine, and many are also getting boosters. So what is there to still argue about? The rate of new cases, and the rate of death from Covid-19 keeps going down, very much in sync with the rate of vaccination going up. And for anyone who has harbored doubts about the effectiveness of this vaccine, that statistic should be enough to convince you.
 
Sunny said:
More and more, it's obvious that the same small group on this forum are posting endlessly about how "dangerous" the vaccine is, how any vaccine mandates are an infringement on human rights, and so on. They love any statistics that show breakthrough cases (even though they are nearly always mild and uneventful), and joyfully come up with very dubious stories about people dying after receiving the vaccine. (Even though the vaccine had nothing to do with their death; everybody eventually dies of something).

This is the same contingent that loves to make fun of scientists, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies, all of whom are working overtime to keep us alive. There is a strong element of paranoia in this ("they are injecting poison into our bodies!") and a pathological fear of injections comes through. With some it's political, with others it's trolling (looking for fights) via constant sneering and taunting. And with some, there is a belief in horse deworming substances instead of the amazingly effective and safe vaccine.

Most of this stuff was promulgated and is continued by Fox News and other right-wing media. We all listen to, read, and believe whatever makes sense to us. If utter nonsense, and frequently lies, fit in with our belief system, we believe them anyway, and see ourselves as heroes in further spreading the lies. And that's where the Internet and its social media can be very dangerous. People who are a little bit naive can be led down very dangerous ways of thinking, and it spreads exponentially, much as the virus does.

If someone has underlying health issues that prevent them from tolerating the vaccine, I sympathize. But it seems to me that someone in that situation would keep it to themself, as a private health matter. Maybe it's appropriate to discuss it with their family, immediate friends, and their doctor. Maybe mention it once in a forum, if helpful to other people. If you are allergic to, say, penicillin and other antibiotics, would you conduct an endless campaign against the medical use of antibiotics? Why the constant propaganda-spreading against the vaccine that the great majority of us can and do get, thankful that we are protected against a horrible death from this killer disease? It's like a soapbox that this tiny segment never seem to get off.

I should add that by now, the majority of Americans (and probably most of the developed world) have received the vaccine, and many are also getting boosters. So what is there to still argue about? The rate of new cases, and the rate of death from Covid-19 keeps going down, very much in sync with the rate of vaccination going up. And for anyone who has harbored doubts about the effectiveness of this vaccine, that statistic should be enough to convince you.
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Exactly right Sunny. There is nothing left to argue about so let's all just stop.
 
I've literally just booked my 2nd Vaccine dose.... Everyone here presumes when I mention I'm booking my Vaccine, that I'm booking the Booster jab.. but no.. I was just late coming to the table.. and hopefully I won't need the Booster jab later

It's much harder to book a jab now in England....right up until September of this year there was places just about everywhere to just walk in or book if necessary.. now at least in this part of England. those places no longer exist and we have to book in advance at places much further from our own town... .I suspect this may be off-putting to those who have difficulty travelling especially those who are vulnerable ...and may therefore not getting their necessary Vaccination
 

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