Oh for God's Sake!!! There's more abuse by priests??

Being sarcastic. Wouldn't they all go to heaven anyway since God's son asked for forgiveness for them ? Or maybe not since they knew what they were doing was wrong.
 

All religions are just silly in my honest opinion, and religious people who preach the loudest always seem to be the ones getting busted for sick stuff like child rapes and molestation, or other sick acts.
 
Knight said:
Being sarcastic. Wouldn't they all go to heaven anyway since God's son asked for forgiveness for them ? Or maybe not since they knew what they were doing was wrong.
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Sadly I have religious friends who tell me this...They say all anyone has to do is ask God or Jesus for forgiveness and they go to heaven...That's such a convenient ideology for bad people...They can do evil nasty stuff for their entire lives and then just ask for forgiveness on their death beds and all is forgiven?...Religious insanity!
 
How often are religions ever in the news for having done something good? As compared with the opposite?

As John Lennon wrote, imagine a world with no religion. What a relief it would be.
 
One of the most worrisome things that I ever did as a young Trooper was to arrest a Priest for shoplifting. Of all things to shoplift, he was found with a 3-Musketeers candy bar and a copy of Playboy magazine.

I was afraid that I would somehow be punished. I was only on the job for a few months when I got a call to go to a mom & pop convenience store out in the country and investigate the owner’s complaint about having caught a shoplifter. I thought for sure that it was going to be a kid.

Luckily for the Priest, I was able to talk the owner out of filing a charge.
 
911 said:
One of the most worrisome things that I ever did as a young Trooper was to arrest a Priest for shoplifting. Of all things to shoplift, he was found with a 3-Musketeers candy bar and a copy of Playboy magazine.

I was afraid that I would somehow be punished. I was only on the job for a few months when I got a call to go to a mom & pop convenience store out in the country and investigate the owner’s complaint about having caught a shoplifter. I thought for sure that it was going to be a kid.

Luckily for the Priest, I was able to talk the owner out of filing a charge.
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That reminds me of a recurrent theme in the excellent movie, "Spotlight", based on the Pulitzer Prize winning true story of how the Boston Globe uncovered the massive scandal of child molestation and cover-up within the local Catholic Archdiocese. Apparently the Church in Boston wields so much power that the police went to great lengths to help with the cover up. Totally appalling and disgusting.

I HIGHLY recommend this movie, starring Michael Keaton, Mark Ruffalo, Rachael McAdams and Liev Schreiber. The film won many awards, including Best Picture in 2016.

 
In ANY organization, be it governmental or religious or ???, there will always be those who have power over the underlings in that organization. From the time our species became what it now is, those in power have exploited/manipulated/controlled those not in power. This, sadly, is part of human nature. I don't believe it will ever change, until our species is gone from the face of this planet.
 
My late husband always believed, and this belief is shared by several members of his family, that his oldest sister was molested by one of their parish priests.
She always had a love/hate relationship with the clergy....hated them but couldn't stay away from them. I won't go into any details, but he presented a very convincing argument for this and from information gleaned from younger male members of the family who have memories of her that involve behavior very close to molestation, I think this is true.

Everyone involved is dead now and we'll ever know. I know she lived a very constricted man-hating life, but gave no indication that she was lesbian. I met her a few times and I don't believe she was.
 
911 said:
One of the most worrisome things that I ever did as a young Trooper was to arrest a Priest for shoplifting. Of all things to shoplift, he was found with a 3-Musketeers candy bar and a copy of Playboy magazine.

I was afraid that I would somehow be punished. I was only on the job for a few months when I got a call to go to a mom & pop convenience store out in the country and investigate the owner’s complaint about having caught a shoplifter. I thought for sure that it was going to be a kid.

Luckily for the Priest, I was able to talk the owner out of filing a charge.
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What do you attribute the thought that somehow you would be punished. What punishment?
 
Sassycakes said:
Can it get any worse . I was born and raised Catholic and hearing these things make me sick. I haven't gone to church in years because of all the things the Church has allowed to happen. Using Nuns as sexual slaves really shocked me. I was taught by Nun's and they were so hard on us in class. I can't imagine the power the Church must have had over them. Sick just Sick !
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Same boat for me. I'm amazed at how many still go to church.

One thing that I have learned from all this is that they don't believe in heaven or hell or they wouldn't be doing it.

So that's one more thing I don't have to worry about and can die in peace.
 
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Camper6 said:
Same boat for me. I'm amazed at how many still go to church.

One thing that I have learned from all this is that they don't believe in heaven or hell or they wouldn't be doing it.

So that's one more thing I don't have to worry about and can die in peace.
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More likely they think they can go to confession and be absolved of their sins. :rolleyes:
 
News release 2;34 PM Feb. 13, 2019
New Jersey's five Roman Catholic dioceses have released the names of more than 180 priests they say have been credibly accused of sexually abusing minors.
Oh, for God's sake!!!!!!!!!!!

 
I find the way to best to live life is to be skeptical about everything, that and includes when people are lumped into one kind of category. One person says some bad about one kind of person and then bingo--they're all the same. That kind of thinking has what has turned into the most monstrous type of behavior ever on this planet. So, please, people use skepticism and understand that everybody in whatever situation aren't all the same. I complained when I first got here that religion along with politics is something that is always very controversial. But religion here terribly has been smeared and is accepted as such and in my estimation is therefore in some ways actually encouraged. I find that really hard to take. And I really like SF and I don't want to leave ever. However, it really gets me upset at times. though, when I see as what I see as very tiny type of thinking here at times.
 
Olivia, I don't think anybody has said that "they're all alike," whoever "they" are supposed to me. I imagine in this case, you are suggesting that anyone is saying that all members of the clergy are committing sexual abuse? Where has anyone ever said that?

You are setting up a straw enemy to knock down. If people do something as sickening as using their clergy status to abuse children (and other adults lower than them in the chain of command), and there is an official cover-up, this has to be exposed, even if it is painful for the followers of that religion to learn about it. But you are making a giant leap by saying that we are implying that "they're all the same" and heading into "the most monstrous type of behavior ever on this planet."

Sorry, but I think the monstrous behavior is what SOME members of the clergy have done to children (and are probably continuing to do, even as we speak). Calling them out on this behavior and demanding that it stop right now is not "monstrous;" it is responsible adult behavior.
 
Olivia said:
I find the way to best to live life is to be skeptical about everything, that and includes when people are lumped into one kind of category. One person says some bad about one kind of person and then bingo--they're all the same. That kind of thinking has what has turned into the most monstrous type of behavior ever on this planet. So, please, people use skepticism and understand that everybody in whatever situation aren't all the same. I complained when I first got here that religion along with politics is something that is always very controversial. But religion here terribly has been smeared and is accepted as such and in my estimation is therefore in some ways actually encouraged. I find that really hard to take. And I really like SF and I don't want to leave ever. However, it really gets me upset at times. though, when I see as what I see as very tiny type of thinking here at times.
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I don't believe anyone here believes all Catholic priests are pedophiles. But many of us have a HUGE problem with the Church turning a blind eye to the ones who are.
 
C'est Moi said:
I don't believe anyone here believes all Catholic priests are pedophiles. But many of us have a HUGE problem with the Church turning a blind eye to the ones who are.
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Well, it sure sounds like it. Where is one opinion that says otherwise? That is what my post was all about.

And I am NOT Catholic nor religious! And I hope it is okay to have differing opinions.
 
NEWS Flash. Vatican, Rome. 11:17 AM The Vatican has revealed that it maintains secret guidelines for priests who father children despite their vows of celibacy.
This is never ending.

As far as "celibacy" is concerned. It depends on the vows a priest makes. Celibacy has two meanings. One is total sexual abstinence The other is a vow not to marry. So, what a priest is allowed to do depends on the type of "celibacy" his order requires.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
NEWS Flash. Vatican, Rome. 11:17 AM The Vatican has revealed that it maintains secret guidelines for priests who father children despite their vows of celibacy.
This is never ending.

As far as "celibacy" is concerned. It depends on the vows a priest makes. Celibacy has two meanings. One is total sexual abstinence The other is a vow not to marry. So, what a priest is allowed to do depends on the type of "celibacy" his order requires.
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I couldn't care less about a priest's celibacy. I do care that there are monstrous pedophiles masquerading as men of God, and their perversions are shielded from prosecution by the Church.
 
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