Oh for God's Sake!!! There's more abuse by priests??

PopsnTuff said:
Totally agree with you OED and this newest article in Canada...

Whoa, people are taking matters and actions against these priests into their own hands now....wonder if the suspect was and is a sexually abused member of the church, hmmmm...
Priest stabbed during livestream of morning mass in Canada's largest church....

Father Claude Grou, the rector of the Saint Joseph's Oratory, was taken to the hospital and is said to be in stable condition. A 26-year-old man has been arrested after a priest in Montreal was stabbed Friday during a livestreamed morning mass in Canada's largest church.

Father Claude Grou, 77, the rector of the Saint Joseph's Oratory, was taken to the hospital and is said to be in stable condition, according to the Archdiocese of Montreal.

Authorities responded to a call around 8:40 a.m. and witnesses said a man went toward the priest with a sharp object during the daily mass at which 50 people were in attendance.
The attack was captured on a livestream and television broadcast by the Catholic channel Salt + Light, which publishes the streams shortly after the mass. Authorities have not disclosed whether the footage will be released.

When police arrived, the suspect was already detained by church security and the priest was slightly injured on his upper body, Montreal police spokesperson Caroline Chèvrefils said.
The suspect was then taken into custody, transported to a detention center and will be interviewed by investigators later Friday, she said.
"What a horrible and inexcusable gesture that has no place in Montreal." Mayor Valérie Plante tweeted.
Grou was not "afraid for his life," tweeted Jasmin Lemieux-Lefebvre, director of communications for the Catholic Church of Quebec.
Montreal Police said in a tweet Friday afternoon that this was an isolated incident and the suspect, who they did not identify, is expected to appear in court on Saturday.

Saint Joseph's, which officially opened in 1956, is in Montreal's Mount Royal district and is Canada's biggest church. It is said to be one of the country's most popular tourist spots, with 2 million visitors per year.

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/priest-stabbe...rgest-church-n986256
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WOW...I hadn't heard about this before! Thank you for sharing. The men and boys who were defiled will probably never have normal lives again. They are filled with grief, guilt, shame and self hatred as well as (I'm sure) hatred for their abusers. Some of them cannot have normal married and sex lives. Psychological counseling they should have received as children wasn't available to them because this all got pushed under the rug. "Horrible and inexcusable"?! If the man was a victim of abuse by this priest (or perhaps someone he knows), I can understand his rage. I wonder if law enforcement will find that this is a motive and if so...what will they do about it.
 

PopsnTuff said:
Totally agree with you OED and this newest article in Canada...

Whoa, people are taking matters and actions against these priests into their own hands now....wonder if the suspect was and is a sexually abused member of the church, hmmmm...
Priest stabbed during livestream of morning mass in Canada's largest church....

Father Claude Grou, the rector of the Saint Joseph's Oratory, was taken to the hospital and is said to be in stable condition. A 26-year-old man has been arrested after a priest in Montreal was stabbed Friday during a livestreamed morning mass in Canada's largest church.

Father Claude Grou, 77, the rector of the Saint Joseph's Oratory, was taken to the hospital and is said to be in stable condition, according to the Archdiocese of Montreal.

Authorities responded to a call around 8:40 a.m. and witnesses said a man went toward the priest with a sharp object during the daily mass at which 50 people were in attendance.
The attack was captured on a livestream and television broadcast by the Catholic channel Salt + Light, which publishes the streams shortly after the mass. Authorities have not disclosed whether the footage will be released.

When police arrived, the suspect was already detained by church security and the priest was slightly injured on his upper body, Montreal police spokesperson Caroline Chèvrefils said.
The suspect was then taken into custody, transported to a detention center and will be interviewed by investigators later Friday, she said.
"What a horrible and inexcusable gesture that has no place in Montreal." Mayor Valérie Plante tweeted.
Grou was not "afraid for his life," tweeted Jasmin Lemieux-Lefebvre, director of communications for the Catholic Church of Quebec.
Montreal Police said in a tweet Friday afternoon that this was an isolated incident and the suspect, who they did not identify, is expected to appear in court on Saturday.

Saint Joseph's, which officially opened in 1956, is in Montreal's Mount Royal district and is Canada's biggest church. It is said to be one of the country's most popular tourist spots, with 2 million visitors per year.

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/priest-stabbe...rgest-church-n986256
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I hadn't heard of this before! Thank you for sharing. If the man who attacked the priest was abused by him or someone he knows, I can understand his rage. I wonder if the priest was an abuser, was on the pedophile list and if so how will law enforcement handle this. Men and little boys who were abused by figures they were no doubt taught to respect, struggle with feelings of grief, guilt, self hatred, hatred for their abusers and in many cases cannot have normal love, marriage, sexual relationships. They were denied their right to psychological counseling because the abuses were hidden for so long.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I hadn't heard of this before! Thank you for sharing. If the man who attacked the priest was abused by him or someone he knows, I can understand his rage. I wonder if the priest was an abuser, was on the pedophile list and if so how will law enforcement handle this. Men and little boys who were abused by figures they were no doubt taught to respect, struggle with feelings of grief, guilt, self hatred, hatred for their abusers and in many cases cannot have normal love, marriage, sexual relationships. They were denied their right to psychological counseling because the abuses were hidden for so long.
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Totally agree with you OED.....
 

applecruncher said:
Hypocrisy is rampant in organized religion.
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^^^^^ BINGO. I think it's the only way evil people can live with themselves. Priests use the trust placed in them to get away with it. Any parent who leaves their little kids alone with a priests is brain dead.
 
Ohio pastor encouraged other ministers to have sex with 'groomed teen' prosecutors say.....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-pastor-encouraged-other-ministers-have-sex-groomed-teen-prosecutors-n987186

(This one is really awful and shameful)
 
win231 said:
^^^^^ BINGO. I think it's the only way evil people can live with themselves. Priests use the trust placed in them to get away with it. Any parent who leaves their little kids alone with a priests is brain dead.
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I never left my kids alone with any man I didn't know from my childhood. That included inlaws. Over cautious to be sure but I knew even then that some men were predators and perverts.
 
well we've just jailed an archbishop here who was found guilty and awaiting his appeal options - he was third in command to Mr Poppy in roma - I bet poppy has got his knickers in a twist now - the entire catholic church could fall like a deck of cards - well it has been prophesied in the bible - just no date given! we could be in the end times heh! all the good dead rising from the graves!
 
win231 said:
^^^^^ BINGO. I think it's the only way evil people can live with themselves. Priests use the trust placed in them to get away with it. Any parent who leaves their little kids alone with a priests is brain dead.
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Instant trust. That’s why it is such a good place for pedophiles. It’s easy prey
 
it has often been suggested that the ban on allowing catholic priests to marry as is the case in the anglican church then this is a bad rule but attacks on the young has occurred within the Anglican church - not sure if the perpetrators were married or single - that would be interesting to know?
 
C'est Moi said:
That reminds me of a recurrent theme in the excellent movie, "Spotlight", based on the Pulitzer Prize winning true story of how the Boston Globe uncovered the massive scandal of child molestation and cover-up within the local Catholic Archdiocese. Apparently the Church in Boston wields so much power that the police went to great lengths to help with the cover up. Totally appalling and disgusting.

I HIGHLY recommend this movie, starring Michael Keaton, Mark Ruffalo, Rachael McAdams and Liev Schreiber. The film won many awards, including Best Picture in 2016.

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Oh wow...somehow I missed this one. I've always liked Michael Keaton too. I'm going to share this in my movie group on another site. I wonder if it's streaming anywhere. Thank you for posting.
 
Warrigal said:
I never left my kids alone with any man I didn't know from my childhood. That included inlaws. Over cautious to be sure but I knew even then that some men were predators and perverts.
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Not overcautious at all Warrigal. I had a case almost three decades ago of a little 2 year old girl with gonorrhea. I interviewed her mother, got her and her boyfriend tested and both were negative. I did the same with the little girl's paternal uncle who was her father's twin. The father had been in prison so I knew he wasn't the source. The uncle came back negative and no reports on any of them had come in from private doctors. A year later, the little girl got gonorrhea again. I really couldn't threaten using the Division of Family Services because they were already involved in her case. The mother still maintained she didn't know who could have infected her daughter...such a pretty little girl. Turns out it was the mother's brother. We found out when we got a report of his treatment from a private doctor. I forgot how we found out he was her brother. She knew damned well she had let him babysit her daughter but chose not to share that with me until she had no choice. So many girls who have been molested were done so by family members.
 
I do have a modicum of sadness towards all those priests whichever denomination who have stayed true to their faith and high ideals. This scenario obviously hangs heavy over THEIR heads too. I also do feel deeply for the nuns that have been dragged into this abyss. I tried all sorts of denominations from childhood to manhood - the bigger they were the more they got bogged down imo
 
This just in... :rolleyes: "Pope Benedict Says Blame the ’60s for Priests’ Abuse

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ahoo&utm_campaign=yahoo-non-hosted&yptr=yahoo

VATICAN CITY—Popes are supposed to be infallible. They communicate through carefully worded speeches, apostolic letters, or encyclicals that are often the fruit of slow collaboration with doctrinal experts inside the Vatican. So what are we to make of the strange text that Benedict XVI, the pope emeritus, unleashed on the world this week, in which he effectively blamed the abuse crisis in the Catholic Church on the freewheeling sexual revolution of 1968?
 
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