Shalimar
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Once again I state, multiculturalism works very well in Canada. It can work well elsewhere also.
Paris under attack - multiple terrorist attacks on Friday night
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London has a population of 8 million and 1 million are Muslim.
Muslims seem to integrate better in Scotland. http://www.economist.com/news/brita...dentify-scottish-english-thistle-and-crescent
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...e_fighting_the_rise_of_radical_Islam_at_home/
Scotland has a population of about 5.2 million. And about 60,000 are Muslim.
hid in plain sight during a mass migration
One of the terrorists from Syria came to/through Greece in a boat as part of a group of refugees.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/11/14/greece-syrian-terrorist-came-on-boat.html
Just one of the issues of unbridled unchecked mass immigration. And those who realized and spoke of this as a possibility were poo pooed. Don't have to deny immigration but it definitely should have a process and criteria I don't know like no terrorist ties.
One of the terrorists from Syria came to/through Greece in a boat as part of a group of refugees.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/11/14/greece-syrian-terrorist-came-on-boat.html
Just one of the issues of unbridled unchecked mass immigration. And those who realized and spoke of this as a possibility were poo pooed. Don't have to deny immigration but it definitely should have a process and criteria I don't know like no terrorist ties.
So the answer is condemn all the refugees and the hell with them just in case one is a terrorist?
No, just as I mentioned. Immigration needs a process. For order, time to vet and proper assimilation. I don't care if a refugee has to spend extra time in their home country or in a camp while they are properly vetted. If they are in extreme immediate danger then go for formal asylum. Or they could stand a fight for their own freedom or find ways to survive longer in their own country. Running away or avoiding a problem doesn't solve it.
I'd guess that the UK is better at it than Greece.
Obama has welcomed over 10,000 syrian refugee's to our country, and many illegal immigrants we now have, are left to roam on their own, with no oversight of them...where they are, or who they are, and in March of this year, 30,000 illegals were released from prison, by the Department of Homeland Security. What happened in Paris, is a wakeup call.
So Very Sad that 127 people were murdered and over 300 people were taken to the hospital.
So far 5 European Countries have built border fences to stop the flow of immigrants....Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Macedonia and now Hungary.
So Very Sad that 127 people were murdered and over 300 people were taken to the hospital.
So far 5 European Countries have built border fences to stop the flow of immigrants....Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Macedonia and now Hungary.
Was a larger attack actually planned?
Germany may have foiled another terrorist to be involved in the Paris attacks stopping a car with weapons, explosives and Paris on the GPS.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...foiled-plot-to-supply-arms-to-paris-attackers
Car was stopped November 5 where many of the items were purposely concealed.
Germany may have foiled another terrorist to be involved in the Paris attacks stopping a car with weapons, explosives and Paris on the GPS.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...foiled-plot-to-supply-arms-to-paris-attackers
Car was stopped November 5 where many of the items were purposely concealed.
Underock1
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As I've posted before; I could be a Canadian in an eye blink.
Indeed the Scots especially the Glaswegians are "the salt of the earth", however I remembered the terrorist attack on Glasgow International Airport in 2007, of the 2 perpetrators one was a British born Muslim Doctor who worked at the local hospital. This ramming incident failed however, I cannot comprehend how a doctor who is meant to save lives can become so radicalised with hatred.
Great point. The US has been experiencing unchecked immigration for years. Wether it's drug smuggling or criminals like the one who shot Kate Steinle in San Francisco. I'm not saying stop immigration but it has to have a process that includes order for safety and fairness.
Europe is tough because many countries have a 360 degree land border. If the process were slowed down and word got back to the home country perhaps many of these refugees including terrorists and criminals wouldn't be so quick to try tagging along with the masses.
Underock1
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A bit off topic, but relative, I think. I watched a documentary the other day. Parmesan cheese is made in a small area of Italy by a tight knit community of Indian Sikhs. They have maintained their own customs and religion, and have been doing it for decades without a problem.
That works very well with Sikhs. Their religion does not consider every other religions infidels. Peaceful religions can assimilate peacefully. True Islam believes everyone who is not Muslim is an infidel and are subject to death if it seems right to the other Muslims.
The Inspector
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The important thing now is to find how the terrorists were able to avoid detection.
Some of the leaks on how the U.S.surveils may have help the terrorists avoid detection.
We will not know until the alphabet soup of agencies
find out how they missed this one.
Some of the leaks on how the U.S.surveils may have help the terrorists avoid detection.
We will not know until the alphabet soup of agencies
find out how they missed this one.
The Inspector
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It is my though that this thread has gone the wrong way. I stead of reporting the atrocities and supporting the French.
It's complaining about refuges and the trouble they could bring to us.
Early reports are often wrong.
It's complaining about refuges and the trouble they could bring to us.
Early reports are often wrong.
He was born in Britain but moved back to Iraq when he was 5. So he was not raised here. He came back later. I remember this attack very well. After that attack the airport was changed to only allow taxis and buses near the entrance.
Don't know where the rest of the refugees are being housed, but 15 families of about 5 members each are being housed on the Isle of Bute.
PM Cameron offered to take 1,000 refugees and Scotland has agreed to take 400 of them. And England has 10 times the population of Scotland.
SifuPhil
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One of the biggest problems in dealing with these terrorists is that we're still playing catch-up ball - still being reactive instead of proactive. We should be hitting them where they live, harder and more frequently than we already are. Yes, there will be a price paid - but otherwise we will forever be mourning our losses.
Warrigal
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That is the vision of extremist Sunnis. It is certainly not something desired by Shia, or Druze or the Kurds, or the Yashidis. They don't want to see it any more than Christians living in the Middle East look forward to a caliphate.
Warrigal
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Some Christians, QuickSilver.
Others believe that the sacrifice on the cross has released humanity from the concept of eternal judgement and that heaven or hell are what we build and embrace in this lifetime. Heaven and hell are states of being, not actual places somewhere off planet.
Warrigal
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Multiculturalism has been very successful in Australia too. We are the one of the most multicultural countries and along with Canada, we have made a pretty good fist of inclusion. Migrants need about 50 years to fully integrate. That is two generations. In the meantime they need some latitude to maintain cultural identity and customs. Australia has been enriched by this diversity and where I live we celebrate it with festivals.
By your description I think the US has done real well. Just about everyone living here came from some place else. You never see much difference from one to the other. For the most part we all speak American English. Some still are using their home land languages and down here in the south west we do have a lot of Mexican, Central, and South American folks that speak Spanish all the time. We even have translators in our courts to help explain what is happening and what the attorneys or judges are saying. But many of those families have children in our schools and they are taught in English as quickly as they get started to understand English.
We do have festivals based on foreign cultures. Some are with Spanish songs and dancing. Others are Bavarian styles. Some areas would feature oriental foods and clothing. In a large section of the west, from New Mexico to Nevada we have a native American nation that they live in and control. It is the Navajo Nation and when traveling through their lands there are festivals where you can see some of the foods they eat and how they sometimes still live. For the most part though they have become more like the rest of the US folks. They serve in our military, they run businesses, they work in our businesses, they have built hospitals. They also have a good education system and trade schools and higher education at college levels.
I think overall that the US works well with immigrants and try to help them to become part of our communities. Just wish they would all get cleared to be here and start to live in the open as they should.
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Warrigal
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Yes, Bob, the countries that are struggling most with an influx of immigrants tend to be the old world countries that have had centuries of undisturbed culture. They are the countries that exported rather an imported people. The British and French were in culture shock when people from the empires decided to settle in the mother countries some decades ago and both have had some difficulties with inclusion of these minorities. This is not to say that they haven't tried very hard.
In Australia roughly half of the population was either born overseas or has at least one parent who was. These people are the real Australians of the 21st century just a much as I was the real Aussie of the 21st century.
In Australia roughly half of the population was either born overseas or has at least one parent who was. These people are the real Australians of the 21st century just a much as I was the real Aussie of the 21st century.
'Multiculturalism' can work but it's a two way street including the one the migrants should follow. They are the ones that decided to move so they should be the ones just as careful not offend their new host country. Now just like many natural born citizens the migrants also frequently have an unwieldy sense of entitlement. I guess many have the entitlement culture part down pat coming in.
Warrigal
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What do you mean by 'sense of entitlement'?
The same rules apply to everyone in Australia whether on a permanent visa, naturalised or natural born.
Other kinds of visa don't confer social services.
Only Aboriginees have a few extra special privileges as a birthright.
The same rules apply to everyone in Australia whether on a permanent visa, naturalised or natural born.
Other kinds of visa don't confer social services.
Only Aboriginees have a few extra special privileges as a birthright.
When the natural born citizens already have an existing unwieldly sense of entitlement wether by attitude or action immigrants seem to learn that part of the culture before anything else. In the US that usually means benefits and people screaming they have rights when they don't get their way. In other words many, not all are demanding respect before earning it.