Philosophy of "Lying"

Josiah said:
I'm appalled at all this fuss over an offhand mention of an ethnic allusion. What's strange is that all the men commenting on this thread had no problem with it at all??
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I'm the one who originally brought it up, Josiah. I just don't like that it's OK to denigrate one race and not another. My particular brand of humor makes fun of everyone but I've been shot down here in the past because of it, so now I guess I'm just playing a little catch-up ball.

It's been one of those days, ya' know? :rolleyes:
 

Lookit, then:

1. an ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like: Representatives of several ethnicities were present.

2. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association: The graph shows class enrollment by gender and ethnicity.

We are incorrectly using the term "ethnicity", simply because it was called out in reference to mention of someone's Nationality. Nationality is actually the issue, not specifically, ethnicity, since ethnicity might relate to more than one Nationality.

It seems evident, to me, anyway, that being offended by use of reference to Nationality exists only as a perceived offense, relative to the offended. Let's say, knowing of my Czech Nationality, someone "slurred" me as an "ignorant Bohemian". I SHOULD be offended by that usage, right? I am not. imp
 
Well, it's silly. No one here that I know of has any problem with anyone strictly due to ethnicity. QS Made a comment anyone could have made with impunity most of the time, it was not meant to invoke this kind of outcry, nor, in my mind, should it. Let's not get carried away with our PC. Did I ever show you this joke making fun of Arizonan's?

Q: Why do Arizona State grads keep their diplomas on their dashboards? A: So they can park in handicap spaces.
 
Some people are not aware that ethnic negative stereotyping (ethnic slurs/racial slurs) or negative stereotyping of any kind, is considered very hurtful and harmful. It is not acceptable in the workplace here (we can get fired for it). Perhaps its the upbringing or WHERE you were brought up and by whom? In Canada we respect our ethnic origins and diversity. I can't believe there are so many who don't seem to understand this.

Some examples of negative stereotyping: stupid blonde jokes, jokes about gays (gay bashing), Polish jokes (or insert another ethnic group), fat people jokes, short people jokes, old people jokes, jokes about ugly people, handicapped people jokes, etc. etc. etc. It's simply prejudice. And please don't try to lay a guilt trip on anyone by minimalizing this subject. Can we try to be open minded and kind.


 
Jackie22 said:
Well, I'm part German, there have been plenty of Hitler and Nazi comments on here, I guess I should get in a big huff......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Hitler and Nazi comments are not about Germans, they are specifically about Hitler and Nazis, do you identify with being a Nazi or Hitler or do you identify with being German? I have never seen one here insult Germans for their ethnicity. That is a big difference.
 
Jackie22 said:
LOL....oh me.
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Awwww Jackie, you're my kind of Texan. I am reminded of a California realtor who expected a group of 50 Texas Real Estate investors to arrive by plane and look at property. When he got to the airport he found only one scheduled landing an it was a small piper cub. He said to the airport people that it couldn't be his plane as he was expecting 50 people. They told him it was his plane and it did have the 50 Texans but before they left they had the bullsh*t kicked out of them.
 
AZ Jim said:
Awwww Jackie, you're my kind of Texan. I am reminded of a California realtor who expected a group of 50 Texas Real Estate investors to arrive by plane and look at property. When he got to the airport he found only one scheduled landing an it was a small piper cub. He said to the airport people that it couldn't be his plane as he was expecting 50 people. They told him it was his plane and it did have the 50 Texans but before they left they had the bullsh*t kicked out of them.
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.....completely deflated, huh? I know it gets really deep around here.:D
 
Jim, (and any others who are still not understanding) I suppose you know it's totally OK to make jokes about one's own state/country/religion/group, but not OK or outsiders to do so, in the same way we make jokes about our family but if someone outside of our family insults it, that is very not OK. Black people make jokes and use language about their race, but it is considered a big no no for white people to do this. Same goes for other groups. Get it?
 
Shirley said:
Must make for some interesting family reunions. :D
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Laughing....Shirley, my friend you are funny as can be. My Granddad was a West Virginia coal miner when they came out to California when I was born (1st grandkid) and stayed. He would stand and fight anyone who said a negative thing about a Democrat. But, that was long ago. We don't have reunions but if we did, I would try to make 'em see the light.
 
Cookie said:
Jim, (and any others who are still not understanding) I suppose you know it's totally OK to make jokes about one's own state/country/religion/group, but not OK or outsiders to do so, in the same way we make jokes about our family but if someone outside of our family insults it, that is very not OK. Black people make jokes and use language about their race, but it is considered a big no no for white people to do this. Same goes for other groups. Get it?
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I got it long before your explanation but I fail to see the need to put a member in the village stocks over something of that nature. I understand where you come from but refuse to follow Cookie....*hoping she still considers me her friend*
 
Cookie, we often have a difference of opinion with our American neighbours as to what constitutes free speech. Things deemed prejudicial/hate speech/illegal in Canada are permitted in USA. I stand with you and Holly on this one, and I don't appreciate the dismissive remarks directed toward our point of view. This is a multicultural forum after all. Obviously a more sensitive approach is needed.
 
Thanks, Shali, that must be it for sure, the definition of free speech as interpreted in our country as opposed to down south. A multicultural forum should be sensitive to all groups here, I agree.

Jim, ha ha ha --- village stocks, so funny, I can just picture it. Does that mean you wouldn't mind if I made a mockery of you and your country, I can you know, but I won't, because that would be too mean and I wouldn't want to be mean to a 'friend'.
 
When I heard kids at school telling ethnic jokes, mostly about the Irish, I would tell them one of my own.

It goes like this -

Do you know the three shortest books in the world?

#1 The book of Italian war heros - laughter, even though they had no idea of Italians at war but they were happy to laugh at Italians and since it was a catholic school, there was a significant Italian ethnic minority present.

#2 Five hundred years of German humour - a puzzled look because that did not understand this one at all

and finally

#3 The Australian book of style, etiquette and good taste. This always brought a howl of protest. This is when I suggested that if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out.

For what it's worth I wouldn't have used the expression 'Polish flea market' because I've never heard the expression before but I might have said like a 'pakapoo ticket'. It simply implies cluttered and messy looking. It doesn't say anything about the Chinese per se.
 
Cookie, perhaps in the interest of free speech, we should adjourn to the political threads to introduce socialism Canadian style, I wonder how quickly our "freedom" would be shut down? I have already been accused once of bashing America, (when I first joined), for daring to critique. I suspect it could very easily happen again. Apparently, to some members, the definition of free speech carries a definite American flavour, n'est pas?
 
Ha ha ha Shali --- I so agree. I suppose I'm so very naive to believe other countries are nice like Canadians. It has been drummed into us from an early age to be tolerant and accepting. But in fact so many countries feel free to spout anything they want, do anything they want, take anything they want, kill anyone they want, etc. etc. Perhaps instead of complaining about it, it's time to put on a protective vest and get our ammo ready.

DW - So so true -- if you can't take it, don't dish it out. I'm ashamed to say there were a couple of your examples I found very funny) ut you never know who might be offended. Some of these jokes might best be shared behind closed doors in the privacy of your own home, or like yourself, with little chums in the schoolyard.
 
I hear you, Cookie, courtesy, tolerance, and gentleness are choices, not indicative of weakness or compliance. Tolerant we may be, but we fiercely protect the values that define who we are as Canadians. I can feel an attack of patriotism coming on, can't you, eh?
 
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