Philosophy of "Lying"

Sunny said:
But then, how about questions like: "Does this make me look fat?"
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I have to say if someone asks me that question and honestly I do get asked it a lot...does this suit me, does this make me look fat /skinny,/old/ etc..I always tell the truth but in a nice way. I would hate to look ''fat'' in something and have someone tell me I look fabulous.. so I wouldn't do it to anyone else...unless they were my mortal enemy and then the whole ball game changes..:whome::rofl1:
 
Management is their own weird breed. They also take courses on how to get the last word and put people down. One of them I could never be. I'm a flunky for life.

As far as lying goes, I used to be honest to a fault. I had to learn to lie to protect myself. I never understood that concept. Hypothetical example: if someone stated are you alone, I would have said yes. I didn't know to lie and state I'm waiting for someone to show up.

Years ago my mother and I went to a mall. The parking lot was packed. We got in our car and were sitting there. (we may have been having something to eat) I hadn't noticed someone waiting for our spot. Two women honked and were very nasty yelling "MOVE!" I got out of the car and stated we were not moving we were waiting for my dad and husband. That got them to leave without a word. And it wasn't true. It was just my mom and I.
 
QS - Now let me be honest, your negative stereotyping comment about 'Polish fleamarket' was very rude and offensive to people of all heritages, not just those with Slavic roots. Please apologize and don't do that again!
 
What is wrong with second hand? I have purchased many lovely items at garage sales and flea markets, Polish or otherwise. Not everyone has the wherewithal to buy designer clothes/ furniture at Nordstrom's et al. Tasteful does not always equal expensive.
 
It is not about anything being second hand at all -- the comment was outright bigoted. Substitute Scottish, English, German, Italian or any other ethnicity and see how that flies!
 
Kitties said:
Management is their own weird breed. They also take courses on how to get the last word and put people down. One of them I could never be. I'm a flunky for life.

As far as lying goes, I used to be honest to a fault. I had to learn to lie to protect myself. I never understood that concept. Hypothetical example: if someone stated are you alone, I would have said yes. I didn't know to lie and state I'm waiting for someone to show up.

Years ago my mother and I went to a mall. The parking lot was packed. We got in our car and were sitting there. (we may have been having something to eat) I hadn't noticed someone waiting for our spot. Two women honked and were very nasty yelling "MOVE!" I got out of the car and stated we were not moving we were waiting for my dad and husband. That got them to leave without a word. And it wasn't true. It was just my mom and I.
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It shows that there are lies, and there are lies! Evidently, the consequences of the lie are the important factor. imp
 
Shalimar said:
What is wrong with second hand? I have purchased many lovely items at garage sales and flea markets, Polish or otherwise. Not everyone has the wherewithal to buy designer clothes/ furniture at Nordstrom's et al. Tasteful does not always equal expensive.
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Or, as in my own case, everyday clothes are purchased at "2nd. hand" stores, (we have Goodwill & Salvation Army). But, not bought often, as I wear, wash, wear again, wash again, until the clothes (as my wife puts it) "rot off", then seek replacements. IOW, being duly presentable appearance-wise is not one of my "strong points". Clean, not stinky, but also no vain appearances. imp
 
Cookie said:
It is not about anything being second hand at all -- the comment was outright bigoted. Substitute Scottish, English, German, Italian or any other ethnicity and see how that flies!
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Cookie! You are right, of course! What you may not be familiar with, is that the lady is a Chicagoan. In Chicago, comment such as hers is not regarded as bigoted in that sense, as such usage is so commonplace, it is accepted normally as a joke. Prejudicial intent is only present if the wording contains profanity.

I grew up there. Left over 40 years ago, but see things are not significantly changed. (Okay, so I'm a bit facetious, here). imp
 
" ....................There is no harm in telling someone that their hair looks good... when it doesn't... or that their home décor is "lovely" when it looks like a Polish fleamarket... to spare their feelings. What the heck does it matter.. Brutally "honest".................... "

I should have included Quicksilver's quote as shown above to clarify...... I find this sentence completely unacceptable and deeply offensive as it is bigoted negative ethnic stereotyping and does not belong on this forum. I have no problem making a fuss about this either and am surprised that more people have not noticed this and also find this sort of thing is unacceptable. Replace the word Polish with English or American or German and surely more people might also complain.
 
Thus, we should all discard the ethnic differences which were so important a part of the "melting pot" concept in America (and Canada)?

Personally, when faced with very real and dire consequence in my everyday life, ethnic slurring and such slide into the basement quickly. imp
 
Thanks holly, for your support. I think we can all agree that ethnic slurs don't belong on a friendly forum like this one.:D
 
imp said:
Thus, we should all discard the ethnic differences which were so important a part of the "melting pot" concept in America (and Canada)?

Personally, when faced with very real and dire consequence in my everyday life, ethnic slurring and such slide into the basement quickly. imp
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I originally made the comment as a half-truth / half lie (I am part Polish but I was not offended - in fact, I was amused, as my picture hopefully showed).

The REASON I made the comment was fairly self-serving - I wanted to illustrate how easily mention of certain racial groups can be tossed off without a complaint, yet others invoke a hair-trigger hailstorm.

Just trying to keep the Truth from becoming a Lie.
 
I 'love' the people who lie and say things like "I HAD to " or "There was nothing else I could do but lie" or "I wouldn't have gotten it if I had not of lied". No these people voluntarily chose to lie. Same for the everyone else is or was doing it crowd. Don't these people ever being remember being told if your best friends jumped off a cliff would you do it because they did it?

This is common in many work places let alone courts and fraud for money or benefits. I expect lying from family and friends for small stuff but not lying from employees paid to do a job along with being honest. Doing the job does not include fudging, falsifying,altering or manipulating administrative procedure to give the appearance of doing the job.
 
Imp, one of the differences between America and Canada, is our disparate approach around ethnic differences. Whereas America takes a melting pot approach, Canada prefers multiculturalism, wherein people are encouraged to maintain their ethnic heritage. As we see it, in our diversity lies our strength.
 
SifuPhil said:
I originally made the comment as a half-truth / half lie (I am part Polish but I was not offended - in fact, I was amused, as my picture hopefully showed).

The REASON I made the comment was fairly self-serving - I wanted to illustrate how easily mention of certain racial groups can be tossed off without a complaint, yet others invoke a hair-trigger hailstorm.

Just trying to keep the Truth from becoming a Lie.
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Well stated Phil, I agree.
 
Shalimar said:
Imp, one of the differences between America and Canada, is our disparate approach around ethnic differences. Whereas America takes a melting pot approach, Canada prefers multiculturalism, wherein people are encouraged to maintain their ethnic heritage. As we see it, in our diversity lies our strength.
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Wait, now. Does not "encouraging maintaining of ethnic heritage" involve specifically calling attention to it, whether happily, derogatorily, or in any other reference? If we maintain that a "Polish flea-market" is something other than just that, we are masking the ethnicity of the Poles, glossing them in with all others, thus making ethnicity disappear, no?

Since QS is not checking in, I will go so far as to guarantee that one could readily find, and attend, a flea-market set up in Chicago, heralded by a huge banner proclaiming, "Polish Flea-market"! See, the Poles have their own neighborhood community, around what was once called "Pilsen Park", the Italians run Taylor Street, the Lithuanians Winchester Ave., and so on. No one there is adversely affected by mention of their ethnicity. imp
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Consequences to whom? Myself or the people benefiting from the lies? Is the question asking would I (or anyone else) consider becoming a whistle blower?

If I considered it in the public interest to blow the whistle I think I might try to do it through official channels - police, other authority figures etc but I would seek legal advice before doing so. I would document what I found out and keep at least one copy in a secure place, just in case. I wouldn't rush to the media because I don't trust them one little bit.
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply, D.W., especially the part about seeking "legal advice" before reporting to official channels.
Gratifying to read that you 'trust' the police and other authority figures, but not the media!
 
AZ Jim said:
Oh please Ladies. My Gawd does everything have to be so damn serious? Polish jokes are the root of much comedy but they hardly warrant this much condemnation.
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I'm appalled at all this fuss over an offhand mention of an ethnic allusion. What's strange is that all the men commenting on this thread had no problem with it at all??
 

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