Pope Says 'We Abandoned the Little Ones', in Response to Child Abuse Findings

I was scandalized when I found out a long time ago that the famous poisoner Lucrezia Borgia of Italy was the daughter of a pope.
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Lucrezia’s father, Cardinal Rodrigo Borgia, was named Pope Alexander VI in 1492, and Lucrezia was married a year later. Four years later, Lucrezia's marriage became less politically advantageous, and Pope Alexander VI sought to have it annulled under the pretense of the relationship never having been consummated. While annulment negotiations were ongoing between the Borgias and the Sforzas, Lucrezia rested in a nearby convent.
 

PVC said:
I partially agree with you. BUT, being married doesn't stop people from cheating and molesting and pedophilia. If sexual release were the only factor, masturbation would easily take care of needs.
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Priests and nuns are not supposed to masturbate.
 

Being a paedophile has nothing to do with sexual orientation. I do believe though that many of them did hide under the robe to gain access to as many children as they could...that is sick. Many might think they are homosexuals.....but homosexuals, like heterosexuals, do not commit these horrific crimes against children. paedophiles commit these horrific crimes.

It's quite horrific to think how many child abusers there have been out there for so long, working in professions that hold a position of trust and bringing them into regular contact with children. Now the authorities have started investigating, the flood gates have opened and uncovered how widespread it was and how often it was brushed under the carpet.
They should have been stopped and brought to justice long ago but better late than never. I do think that anyone who has helped abusers to cover up abuse or who has turned a blind eye to it is beneath contempt, as well the abusers themselves.

Instead of a parade of adoration, I would wonder why the crowds carrying their children on their hips would not be screaming for something more than a smile and a wave from the leader of their Church.

A protest against the church would've been more appropriate....how the parishioners idolize these popes and clergy is beyond me....wake up people!
 
It just never ends....what an atrocity!

Illinois Catholic church allegedly failed to investigate 500 priest sex abuse allegations

CHICAGO — The Catholic Church in Illinois failed to disclose hundreds of claims of sexual abuse against priests and clergy members, state Attorney General Lisa Madigan said Wednesday.

The six Catholic dioceses of Illinois previously released the names of 185 clergy members who church officials determined were “credibly” accused of sexual abuse. But Madigan issued a preliminary report that found there are at least another 500 clergy that the Illinois’ dioceses have received allegations about but have not publicly acknowledged or thoroughly investigated.....Read more.....

news.yahoo.com/illinois-catholic-church-...ailed-004839939.html
 
I just saw a TV interview with a Catholic Bishop. He stated that all credible accusations would be addressed by a "council". I thought they haven't learned a thing. Gee, who gets to determine which accusation is "credible". And addressed by a handpicked "Council"?
Also, I believe there are unanswered questions. Why are there tens of thousands of pedophile priests throughout the world wide Church? Pedophiles are a small percentage of sexual activities, and given the huge number of priest offenders; what other vast undiscovered Clerical list of sexual activity might there be?
 
fuzzybuddy said:
what other vast undiscovered Clerical list of sexual activity might there be?
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I read that after WW2, while trying to clear out bombed ruins in Italy, they found a secret tunnel between the nuns and the monks buildings and the tunnel was littered with newborn's skeletons. I was raised a Catholic but became Agnostic when I was 18 and was asking questions about the faith no one could answer. I think all organized religions are hypocrites "Do as I say, not as I do". In my lifetime I have only met one nun that I really liked.
 
PVC said:
I read that after WW2, while trying to clear out bombed ruins in Italy, they found a secret tunnel between the nuns and the monks buildings and the tunnel was littered with newborn's skeletons. I was raised a Catholic but became Agnostic when I was 18 and was asking questions about the faith no one could answer. I think all organized religions are hypocrites "Do as I say, not as I do". In my lifetime I have only met one nun that I really liked.
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Exactly...couldn't agree more.
 
The reason it's gone on so long is due to the coverup by the church. You'd think after the movie "Spotlight" came out, there would have been a dramatic explosion within the church about this. But as far as I can
tell, nada.
 
Sunny said:
The reason it's gone on so long is due to the coverup by the church. You'd think after the movie "Spotlight" came out, there would have been a dramatic explosion within the church about this. But as far as I can
tell, nada.
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How many have even heard of that movie?....I never have till now. And most would say, ...that's Hollywood.
 
rgp, many millions of people have heard of that movie. It won the Oscar for best picture of 2016 and was shown for months at theaters all over the country! I am astonished that you never heard of it.

As far as "that's Hollywood," it is well documented and was completely convincing to me, and I'm a pretty cynical person. The story is about discovery of the abuse, and exposure within a highly respected newspaper, not some junk tabloid. And of course, this movie is hardly the only exposure this disgrace within the Catholic Church has gotten. It's been well known for many, many years, has provoked widespread disgust, and many dedicated Catholics have left the church because of it.

The solution is obvious. Just allow the priests to marry. Sheesh, it doesn't exactly take rocket science to figure that out!

It will be interesting to see what this Pope does about it.
 
"Spotlight" won the Academy Awards for best picture and best original screenplay. It is an excellent movie that's well worth the watch. It's available on Netflix but not Amazon Prime.
 
Sunny said:
The reason it's gone on so long is due to the coverup by the church. You'd think after the movie "Spotlight" came out, there would have been a dramatic explosion within the church about this. But as far as I can
tell, nada.
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The only way to stop the apathy of the pope and his underlings and bring about an honest change is to hit them in the wallet. Boycott and no longer give them money. But, there are way too many ignorant and naive and superstitious people in the world who believe if they stop going to church the gates of heaven will be closed to them and they will end up in the eternal flames of hell (all myths made up by the clerics to manipulate and control the population). One only has to see the extravagant lifestyles of the pope and cardinals to see that money rules their lives. The Catholic clergy and nuns supposedly took an oath of chastity and poverty, but in real life they do neither. Anyone heard of the two nuns who were detouring money paid to their schools into their own account and were taking expensive vacations? Most (not all) of them are corrupt people cloaked in religious robes.
 
Sunny said:
rgp, many millions of people have heard of that movie. It won the Oscar for best picture of 2016 and was shown for months at theaters all over the country! I am astonished that you never heard of it.

As far as "that's Hollywood," it is well documented and was completely convincing to me, and I'm a pretty cynical person. The story is about discovery of the abuse, and exposure within a highly respected newspaper, not some junk tabloid. And of course, this movie is hardly the only exposure this disgrace within the Catholic Church has gotten. It's been well known for many, many years, has provoked widespread disgust, and many dedicated Catholics have left the church because of it.

The solution is obvious. Just allow the priests to marry. Sheesh, it doesn't exactly take rocket science to figure that out!

It will be interesting to see what this Pope does about it.
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Not arguing, as I have no facts to back one but. I'm just not sure so many 'flock' to the theater , as you suggest?

I haven't been to a movie since the Amelia Earhart story. And again, not arguing, but I just think few people blend reality with a movie script.

As far as the Catholic church, & all others...I agree with you. As for the Priest marrying being a solution?....I'm not so sure there. If sexual deviance is part of their makeup, a mental weakness ? Marriage might just provide a place to hide.
 
rgp said:
As far as the Catholic church, & all others...I agree with you. As for the Priest marrying being a solution?....I'm not so sure there. If sexual deviance is part of their makeup, a mental weakness ? Marriage might just provide a place to hide.
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If you mean indulging with children I think you are on to something very important.
 
Sunny said:
The solution is obvious. Just allow the priests to marry. Sheesh, it doesn't exactly take rocket science to figure that out!

It will be interesting to see what this Pope does about it.
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Sorry, but I disagree about your "obvious solution." A marriage isn't going to fix a sexual deviant, which pedophilia certainly is. Then the creep would just have a woman to hide behind and make miserable. Seems to me that the overlooked indication is that a high number of pedophiles are drawn to priesthood.

As for what the Pope will do... apparently he will say "what a shame" and go back to counting his money.
 
I liked Pope Francis right away, maybe because St Francis was the only saint I liked (he was kind to animals) and also because his PR claimed that he was unassuming and humble. Then we find out that his ex-secretary and best friend had sexually abused many children and Francis moved him to Australia to get him away from the fire (and free to abuse some more children there). That's when I lost all my hopes and respect for him. As to allowing priests to marry, I don't know if that is the solution. Lots of married men sexually abuse their children and their friends, they use marriage as a cloak, like men used to hide their homosexuality with marriage. Wonder if they have a study of religions where they are allowed to marry, such as protestants and the church of England, whether there's a lot of pedophilia going on.
 
I wonder, what are the statistics on sexual abuse of children within other religions? The ones that do allow their ministers to marry? I know it does happen occasionally, but certainly not in the overwhelming
numbers found within the Catholic Church. If priests (and nuns) are forbidden to marry and live a normal adult life with the other adult they love, the clergy will be disproportionately filled by those who are
seeking "other" outlets.

With gay marriage now permitted in many states, the Church could even have married gay priests. I suspect that the incidence of sexual assault on choir boys would immediately go way down. So, what's
holding them up? What is the Pope actually doing about it?
 
Sunny said:
I wonder, what are the statistics on sexual abuse of children within other religions? The ones that do allow their ministers to marry? I know it does happen occasionally, but certainly not in the overwhelming
numbers found within the Catholic Church. If priests (and nuns) are forbidden to marry and live a normal adult life with the other adult they love, the clergy will be disproportionately filled by those who are
seeking "other" outlets.

With gay marriage now permitted in many states, the Church could even have married gay priests. I suspect that the incidence of sexual assault on choir boys would immediately go way down. So, what's
holding them up? What is the Pope actually doing about it?
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I completely agree with this post.
 

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