Pope Says 'We Abandoned the Little Ones', in Response to Child Abuse Findings

While we're at it. how about the Catholic church lifting its ridiculous, outdated ban on birth control?
With over over 7.6 billion people in the world already, I'd say we've been fruitful and multiplied beyond all reasonable expectation.
 

StarSong said:
While we're at it. how about the Catholic church lifting its ridiculous, outdated ban on birth control?
With over over 7.6 billion people in the world already, I'd say we've been fruitful and multiplied beyond all reasonable expectation.
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Well, the bible says that wasting semen is a sin, so that might be the reason, or they want as many possible Catholics being born to fill their coffers.
 
There are lots of now-ignored laws in Leviticus and Exodus that posed less dire consequences than overpopulation will bring. You may be right, PVC, about wanting to ensure there will be plenty o future collection-plate fillers.
 

The Catholic church has shown decades of its hierarchy not only denying the evidence of abuse, but also jockeying the abusers from one parish to the next. Do some others with access to children also abuse those children? Of course. But unlike the Catholic church, other entire systems of higher-ups (all the way to the top) are rarely complicit in hiding those abuses and shielding the abusers.
 
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Of course it would at least partially improve things, fuzzybuddy. The priesthood wouldn't be overrun with so many dysfunctional people who are unable to have a normal relationship with a
consenting adult. The pedophiles would still be with us, but not so many of them would become priests, as there would be less room for them there.
 
It's in Genesis, Chapter 38. Here's a summary turned up by Google:

When Onan had sex with Tamar, he withdrew before his orgasm and "spilled his seed [or semen] on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir. The next statement in the Bible says that Onan did evil and that God slew him.

The papal encyclical Casti connubii (1930) invokes this Biblical text in support of the teaching of the Catholic Church against contracepted sex.

(Funny that this has turned up in Current News and Hot Topics!) :D
 
Sunny said:
It's in Genesis, Chapter 38. Here's a summary turned up by Google:

When Onan had sex with Tamar, he withdrew before his orgasm and "spilled his seed [or semen] on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir. The next statement in the Bible says that Onan did evil and that God slew him.

The papal encyclical Casti connubii (1930) invokes this Biblical text in support of the teaching of the Catholic Church against contracepted sex.

(Funny that this has turned up in Current News and Hot Topics!) :D
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Also the reason why masturbation is also considered a sin (wasted semen) and the masturbating person will become blind. LOL Were those evil priests only be guilty of THAT and not molesting little humans.
 
When looking at this further, the explanation for why God might have slain Onan is as follows:

The implication from the narrative is that Onan's act as described is what gave rise to divine displeasure, but even if that is the case it is not clear whether his objectionable behaviour was the refusal to complete the levirate obligation of providing sperm for his brother's widow to continue his brother's name (and clan rights) or "shedding seed in vain", or even having sex with Tamar (who would normally be prohibited to him as a sister-in-law) outside the context of an overriding levirate (marrying a deceased brother's wife) obligation.
 
A lot of the Bible is fuzzy that way, probably because it was written so long ago and by so many people. Things get repeated, and misquoted, and so on. Another example is the prohibition against cooking a baby animal (a kid, or a lamb, I forget which) in the milk of its mother, probably for humanitarian reasons. That one gave rise to a large part of the system of kasruth (kosher food) in which meat and dairy products cannot be cooked or served together. Just one sentence is all it took, and the authoritiees were off and running. IMO, those early theologians had too much time on their hands.
 
Let's get real here. Child abuse in the Catholic church has gone on as long as the Church itself. Why are we still hearing about abuse, and why hasn't the Catholic Church done something about it. Get rid of the perverts. Fire them, don't retire them with a "pension." Don't ignore them.
 
ronk said:
Let's get real here. Child abuse in the Catholic church has gone on as long as the Church itself. Why are we still hearing about abuse, and why hasn't the Catholic Church done something about it. Get rid of the perverts. Fire them, don't retire them with a "pension." Don't ignore them.
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Very true, I also wonder why in all these years law enforcement has not pursued it in a more aggressive way .

IMO there is a certain 'hands-off' attitude at the upper level, of both, that is way to obvious. Yet neither does a damn thing about.
 
I was born and raised Roman Catholic and went to Catholic school. I know how frightened most children were of the Nun's. I was taught by them and believe me they scared the heck out of all of us and most of the kids were afraid to tell their parents. I never heard of Priests molesting boys until the later years and it makes me sick. I can't imagine a punishment strong enough for them to be given and it makes me sick about the coverup by the church.
 
Wasn’t it just reported that a Cardinal is being accused of child sexual abuse?
 
911 said:
Wasn’t it just reported that a Cardinal is being accused of child sexual abuse?
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I wouldn't be surprised if Francis has also done it. He came from Chile or somewhere and there the people treat clergy like gods. Of course, if he did stuff it will never come out. I say this because his secretary and best friend was also accused and all Francis did was banish him to Australia (to continue his evil deeds).
 
I recommend a movie on Showtime called 'Spotlight.' It is about the Boston Globe's reporting of the coverup in the Boston diocese and it is a real eye-opener about the power of the Catholic Church.
 
Warrigal said:
The catholic church needs to move forward out of the Middle Ages.

For starters I believe these reforms are overdue in 21st century:

Do away with the robes and other clerical dress that sets the priesthood apart from ordinary people.
Embrace ordination of women. Allow clergy to marry and give the laity a voice in all church councils.

That's not all, but demystification of the priesthood would go along way to making sure such crimes do not continue to be hidden.
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Interesting that you suggest doing away with the robes and other clerical dress. Because of the perversion and cover ups, the first thing I think of when I see a priest wearing robes & clerical dress is "Keep children away from that pervert."
 
Seeker said:
Been going on for years...

If they think they have a little power or are held on a pedestal, they will abuse it.

Not just priest, it's teachers, preachers, police, etc.

Not all, but a whole lot of them will, and as long as they get away with it they will continue.

Makes me sick to my stomach that so many prey on the little children.
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True - not all are molesters. BUT, the ones who cover it up are just as guilty as the molesters. And that includes just about all of them.
 

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