Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

This is irrelevant to the conversation and just a more recent interpretation to calm dissent from the other 50-plus percent of the population who were negligently (and intentionally) disregarded from the start. "He" "him" "his" meant "male."
You may be right, but it is not clear to me. I do think it an important question, or an interesting one anyway. No matter what the intended interpretation it certainty did not show much recognition of Women's rights. From "Constitutional Pronouns":

Use of the male pronoun to refer to all humans, according to linguist Dennis Baron, can be traced back as far as the Latinists of the sixteenth century and was widely accepted in the eighteenth century.
 

Today's Statutory Construction is, he also means she.

...words importing the masculine gender include the feminine as well...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/1
'He' does not actually include the word 'she' but 'she' does contain the word 'he' and since man is born of woman, why not use the feminine to include the masculine rather than the other way round.

Also, 'man' does not include the word 'woman' but 'woman' does include 'man'.

If all the masculine references in legal documents were changed to the feminine, how would men feel about that? Would they feel left out? Because that is how a lot of women feel when we don't see ourselves explicitly included.
 
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And by the way, if you have an example of a shining pinnacle of democracy that you believe would be a superior replacement for our current form of old white man government, please share.
Oh my, I have to jump on that one! Only when democracy is defended in the classroom, is it defended. In the US we have not done that since 1958 and education for a technological society with unknown values. We are now experiencing the social, economic, and political ramifications of that change in education. Reactionary politics and increasing dependency on law enforcement and government, in general, are the results of that change in education.
 

'He' does not actually include the word 'she' but 'she' does contain the word 'he' and since man is born of woman, why not use the feminine to include the masculine rather than the other way round.

Also, 'man' does not include the worn 'woman' but 'woman' does include 'man'.

If all the masculine references in legal documents were changed to the feminine, how would men feel about that? Would they feel left out? Because that is how a lot of women feel when we don't see ourselves explicitly included.
That is an excellent argument and "she" would be the preferred pronoun if we had a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy.

I use s/he when I mean both genders.

I am concerned that we have gone to the extreme of using the female pronoun instead of the male pronouns and I have concerns about the harmful effect of doing to men what was done to women. Using gender-neutral "persons" and "people" is effective but would not lead to good novels.
 
I am not sure but isn't the focus of Roe versus Wade privacy? We used to have laws protecting our privacy and we have destroyed our past protection of privacy. Religious domination (Jew, Muslim, or Christian) along with the Nazi spirit and Hegel's notion of the State being God and forcing everyone to compile with the States laws seems to have come up with the ending of the defense of democracy in the classroom.

PS How we interpret our holy books or constitution depends on how we are educated and the culture we manifest.
 
I am not sure but isn't the focus of Roe versus Wade privacy?
Maybe, but not clear to me, or how the Constitution should be interpreted regarding our rights to privacy. The Right of Privacy seems a bit vague to me.
PS How we interpret our holy books or constitution depends on how we are educated and the culture we manifest.
Of course it does, that's why things change more than the written words do.
 
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Oh my, I have to jump on that one! Only when democracy is defended in the classroom, is it defended. In the US we have not done that since 1958 and education for a technological society with unknown values. We are now experiencing the social, economic, and political ramifications of that change in education. Reactionary politics and increasing dependency on law enforcement and government, in general, are the results of that change in education.
So, an example of a country with a governmental/constitutional system superior to the United States -- one that you believe should be a model for our future.
 
"Tesla is the latest company offering to reimburse its employees for travel expenses when they seek reproductive care in other states, including abortion.

The car maker revealed in its 2021 “Impact Report” released Friday that it expanded its health insurance offerings last year to include “travel and lodging support for those who may need to seek healthcare services that are unavailable in their home state.”
Several major companies, including Citigroup, Yelp, Lyft, Levi’s, and Amazon, have also announced that they would cover travel expenses for workers with limited access to safe abortion procedures in their home states."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...ortion-travel-costs-for-employees-11651611694

This is more help for employees working for established companies but poor women will still be left in a lurch.
 
There's talk of passing laws at the federal level legalizing abortion if R v W is overturned. If that can be done, it can also be criminalized at the federal level depending on who's in charge.
 
There's talk of passing laws at the federal level legalizing abortion if R v W is overturned. If that can be done, it can also be criminalized at the federal level depending on who's in charge.
Since being re-elected is every congress member's priority, I doubt abortion would ever become a federal offense.

By keeping abortion under federal protection, a woman could fight her state if she's charged with crossing state lines to obtain an abortion. I'm pretty sure that's why there's talk of passing laws at the federal level; to protect women from being criminally charged by their state if they get an abortion in another state.
 
to protect women from being criminally charged by their state if they get an abortion in another state
Are federal laws really necessary? I have always assumed we had the right to cross state borders for any legal purpose.

I live in Utah where most everything fun is either illegal or highly restricted. The Nevada line is just a 2 hour drive and there much more is legal, cannabis, gambling, prostitution, easy liquor and more. I have never heard of anyone getting into any trouble going to Nevada for these things.
 
Are federal laws really necessary? I have always assumed we had the right to cross state borders for any legal purpose.

I live in Utah where most everything fun is either illegal or highly restricted. The Nevada line is just a 2 hour drive and there much more is legal, cannabis, gambling, prostitution, easy liquor and more. I have never heard of anyone getting into any trouble going to Nevada for these things.
If a state imposes a law that classifies abortion as murder, things could get really messy. Just the fact that it could happen I think is why the feds want to make sure it won't.
 
This is irrelevant to the conversation and just a more recent interpretation to calm dissent from the other 50-plus percent of the population who were negligently (and intentionally) disregarded from the start. "He" "him" "his" meant "male."
I was responding to Alligators post, so it was relevant. If mine was not relevant, neither was his.
 
Yes, let's leave it to the states. :rolleyes: I'm surprised no one has mentioned that 13 states have abortion "trigger" laws that have never been rescinded and will kick in immediately if power is given to the states.

https://www.today.com/news/news/13-states-abortion-trigger-laws-roe-v-wade-overturned-rcna27268

Also, Louisiana is advancing a law to classify abortion as homicide. They have lots of low-income residents, so that makes a lot of sense... not.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lo...ill-classifying-abortion-homicide-2022-05-05/
Why we're going back in time instead of forward is beyond me....very sad this is even happening in 2022. Unless people wake up, our country will not be recognizable. :( Glad I live in a state that for now anyway, respects individual's rights and freedoms.
 
Why we're going back in time instead of forward is beyond me....very sad this is even happening in 2022. Unless people wake up, our country will not be recognizable. :( Glad I live in a state that for now anyway, respects individual's rights and freedoms.
Unfortunately I don't live in one of those states, and I'm dismayed every day that aside from our politicians we really enjoy living here. Of course, we live in the Dallas "bubble". We hope to be able to live out our Golden Years here without things getting too radical but I've been searching real estate in foreign countries recently.
 
So, an example of a country with a governmental/constitutional system superior to the United States -- one that you believe should be a model for our future.
I am not understanding your comment and at the moment I don't think anyone here understands the Roe Verses Wade issue is privacy. What Texas has done, make it law that everyone can report a neighbor or family member, or anyone suspected of being involved in any way with an abortion. That leads to what we defended our democracy against. We are on the path to a police state that would end our liberty and I don't think that is how everyone here is understanding what is at stake.

In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion.

Roe v. Wade - Wikipedia​

 
There's talk of passing laws at the federal level legalizing abortion if R v W is overturned. If that can be done, it can also be criminalized at the federal level depending on who's in charge.
Abortion is too controversial for congress to act on. That's why congress just sits back and lets the courts decide. In addition, abortion is more useful to both sides as a campaign issue. Solve the problem and you loose the issue. The current talk is just something to talk about before midterms. But maybe I'm too cynical.
 
Maybe, but not clear to me, or how the Constitution should be interpreted regarding our rights to privacy. The Right of Privacy seems a bit vague to me.

Of course it does, that's why things change more than the written words do.
In my childhood home my family discussed such things and the US citizens did not have to carry and show ID as they did in evil Europe. Since 9/11 we have accepted carrying and showing our ID and a person couldn't even ride the Grey Hound bus without showing ID. We stopped defending democracy in the classroom and now we are what we defended our democracy against, and we are clueless! Like good Germans, we understand the reasoning for becoming a police state.

Not that long ago we had privacy rights that prevented landlords or employers knowing if we have bad credit and have been arrested. Now we totally accept this police state behavior and don't remember when things were different.

Today the government can track us through school, banking and medical records and we don't think anything about it. We have no memory of when this was not so.

Fourth Amendment: Protects the right of privacy against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. Fifth Amendment: Provides for the right against self-incrimination, which justifies the protection of private information.Sep 30, 2019

Is There a 'Right to Privacy' Amendment? - FindLaw​

 
I recently read that that people who are against abortion make the following exceptions: Rape, incest, my daughter, and the girl my son had a fling with.

Sounds about right.
Instead of removing a woman's right to choose in America, they should ban sales and possession of ******. That way daddy and Uncle BillyBob won't be tempted to assault young girls in their family and make the poor teen carry the baby to term so they can have someone who looks like them. Those are the sickos that don't even want to exclude incest and rape.....it would take their fun hobbies away. :rolleyes:

All these people who want to trash Roe after all these decades don't give a damn about the babies once they are born. They don't care about the poor woman who may need child care, financial or medical assistance for their babies and children.

These decisions should be left to the woman involved and her doctor. Nobody else's business.
 
Abortion is too controversial for congress to act on. That's why congress just sits back and lets the courts decide. In addition, abortion is more useful to both sides as a campaign issue. Solve the problem and you loose the issue. The current talk is just something to talk about before midterms. But maybe I'm too cynical.
The democrats have warned the issue is about much more than abortion and everyone should understand the issue is our privacy and keeping religion out of politics. You know, being different from fundamentalist Muslims who believe Shari law must be strictly enforced.
We don't have a large fundamentalist Muslim population but Evangelical Christians are their equal. And we have a very serious culture war just as bad as the fighting between Sunni and Shia. And these Christians are not educated to understand our democracy and the reasoning of our constitution and laws, because like fundamentalist Muslims they know only their holy book and a vocation.

Sharia - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sharia

Schools of law — It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam and is based on the sacred scriptures of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith.
Ban on sharia law · ‎Application of Sharia by country · ‎Topics in Sharia law · ‎Sources
 


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