Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

OneEyedDiva said:
"The anti-abortion crowd, often also opposes contraception, and ignores the fact that Planned Parenthood helps women obtain birth control options."
This is a key point right here Fey. And lawmakers on that side are also likely not to want to add more funds to the welfare system or make health care generally more affordable for the mothers and their babies. They are not throwing money at assistance with high day care costs or affordable housing options either!
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Now that is the biggest piece of BS I have seen printed on this website! The so called "crowd" opposes contraception and PPH helping women get birth control options.... Can you support any of this, is it documented or? Sounds like pure political slander....
 
StarSong said:
Far sadder is how few in the anti-abortion camp speak meaningfully and offer financial support to the babies and children once they've been born.
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Therein lies the rub. You believe I am obligated to give "financial support to the babies and children", when I believe that is the responsibility of the mother and father of that child. The old saying was "Don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em".

But, in today's world, "responsibility" has become a dirty word.
 

Buckeye said:
Therein lies the rub. You believe I am obligated to give "financial support to the babies and children", when I believe that is the responsibility of the mother and father of that child. The old saying was "Don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em".

But, in today's world, "responsibility" has become a dirty word.
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My point was that the greatest level of interest in these babies (whose mothers - and often fathers - would seek abortions but will be prevented from doing so) seems to end at their birth.

How many who march, vote and speechify against abortions also march, vote and speechify in favor of funding childcare for poor families, or to increase financial and other supports for them? Very few, I daresay. Once the baby is born, the tidal wave of interest in the "pro-life" camp wanes to a trickle.

Outlawing abortions will not prevent them. It will only push them from the current realm of safe, legal and widely accessible to the former realm of unsafe, back alley and difficult to arrange.
StarSong said:
Far sadder is how few in the anti-abortion camp speak meaningfully and offer financial support to the babies and children once they've been born.
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Timewise 60+ said:
Opinions are like 'belly buttons' everyone has one! Your comments above are only opinion...no legitimate facts!
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https://247wallst.com/special-repor...elfare-supports-the-fewest-poor-families-2/3/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/us/state-abortion-trigger-laws-roe-v-wade-overturned/index.html

Note that many of the US states offering the lowest supports to poor families are also the states that have either already made abortions very difficult to obtain, or are poised to do so should R v W be overturned.

p.s. @Timewise 60+, I would have backed up my statements with a response sooner but in an almost O'Henry level twist, I was busy babysitting my infant grandson. DH & I watch him 3 days a week so his parents can work and not have to shell out $500 per week on childcare.
 
StarSong said:
My point was that the greatest level of interest in these babies (whose mothers - and often fathers - would seek abortions but will be prevented from doing so) seems to end at their birth.

How many who march, vote and speechify against abortions also march, vote and speechify in favor of funding childcare for poor families, or to increase financial and other supports for them? Very few, I daresay. Once the baby is born, the tidal wave of interest in the "pro-life" camp wanes to a trickle.

Outlawing abortions will not prevent them. It will only push them from the current realm of safe, legal and widely accessible to the former realm of unsafe, back alley and difficult to arrange.



https://247wallst.com/special-repor...elfare-supports-the-fewest-poor-families-2/3/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/us/state-abortion-trigger-laws-roe-v-wade-overturned/index.html

Note that many of the US states offering the lowest supports to poor families are also the states that have either already made abortions very difficult to obtain, or are poised to do so should R v W be overturned.

p.s. @Timewise 60+, I would have backed up my statements with a response sooner but in an almost O'Henry level twist, I was busy babysitting my infant grandson. DH & I watch him 3 days a week so his parents can work and not have to shell out $500 per week on childcare.
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{sigh} and my point, which you clearly missed, is that it is NOT my responsibility to support the children of people who make poor life choices, such as having babies they can't afford. It's great that you are helping your children by babysitting their children, but just don't ask me and other tax payers to pay for it.

And for the record, I really don't have dog in the abortion Roe v Wade fight.
 
Buckeye said:
{sigh} and my point, which you clearly missed, is that it is NOT my responsibility to support the children of people who make poor life choices, such as having babies they can't afford. It's great that you are helping your children by babysitting their children, but just don't ask me and other tax payers to pay for it.

And for the record, I really don't have dog in the abortion Roe v Wade fight.
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I didn't miss your point. I get where you're going.

My point: if various states (and the people therein) insist that women give birth to "precious babies" they don't want, can't afford, or know will have severe health problems, those same states should show more support and generosity toward those families. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way.

Those precious lives cease being so precious and compelling once they exit womb.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Now that is the biggest piece of BS I have seen printed on this website! The so called "crowd" opposes contraception and PPH helping women get birth control options.... Can you support any of this, is it documented or? Sounds like pure political slander....
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You seem to be great at posting incendiary replies that you claim are fact T60+! You did the same thing in replies to @Nathan and me in the thread about those of us who have special gifts. You also insulted those of us who do indeed have these gifts with your snide comments. Where have you been living...in La La Land?! Open your eyes; clean off those rose colored glasses! Oh wait...you can't because your head is so firmly planted in the sand. Your narrow, tunnel vision is astounding. It reminds me of my definition in the thread about ignorant people. "Ignorant people don't know what they don't know and they don't want to learn".

All you have to do is reflect on what's going on right now with this Roe vs Wade issue. Who's likely to overturn it? Which senators just voted against making R v W federal law? Who voted to defund Planned Parenthood? Members of that same party are ones who feel the U.S. can't afford to add more funding to social programs. I'm not going to go into the specifics of my former reply because as you know (or maybe you don't) politics is not allowed here....or there is a very fine line and I'd have to get political.

I don't have time to suffer fools, so I will no longer respond to your foolishness! I'm putting you on ignore.
@Pecos @StarSong @feywon
 
Shalimar said:
It is worthy of note that not all unwanted pregnancies arise out of so called “poor choices.” The strongest example would be sexual assault. I know this from personal experience. A kind person arranged for me to have an abortion, after I became pregnant under such circumstances. I was thirteen.
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Those cheering leaving it up to the states clearly have not paid attention to some of the laws being passed in some of the states in this century. Including ones that criminalize even a post rape D & C or dose of 'Morning After' pill to rape victims and when mother's health/life threatened by the pregnancy.
 
Lots of people claim to speak for 'the babies....but only until they are born. What a convenient group to lobby and be a Social Justice Warrior for:
They can't make any demands on their advocates, or even tell those folks how they feel about things because once born and living with circumstances their advocates know little and care even less about, those who insisted they be brought to term no matter what ignore what they have to say about the quality of their lives.
 
feywon said:
Those cheering leaving it up to the states clearly have not paid attention to some of the laws being passed in some of the states in this century. Including ones that criminalize even a post rape D & C or dose of 'Morning After' pill to rape victims and when mother's health/life threatened by the pregnancy.
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Women's right to choose should be legal throughout our country. There are no 'certain' states who should deny the rights of anyone to access medication or medical treatments for their residents or visitors.

Taking away a right that has been effective for decades, in my opinion, is pushed by religious fanatics who want to rule the country by their Christian bible. Many of these same people are for the death penalty and don't give a darn about the baby once it is born, they want to refuse financial, medical, nutritional, educational aid to these mothers when needed. That is not the America I know or want.

Rights and freedoms belong to all Americans in this country, including women, people of color, LGBTQ and non-Christians. If rights are taken away and denied from any of these groups, that is not America, that is not democracy.
 
StarSong said:
My point: if various states (and the people therein) insist that women give birth to "precious babies" they don't want, can't afford, or know will have severe health problems, those same states should show more support and generosity toward those families. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way.

Those precious lives cease being so precious and compelling once they exit womb.
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Exactly!
 
OneEyedDiva said:
You seem to be great at posting incendiary replies that you claim are fact T60+! You did the same thing in replies to @Nathan and me in the thread about those of us who have special gifts. You also insulted those of us who do indeed have these gifts with your snide comments. Where have you been living...in La La Land?! Open your eyes; clean off those rose colored glasses! Oh wait...you can't because your head is so firmly planted in the sand. Your narrow, tunnel vision is astounding. It reminds me of my definition in the thread about ignorant people. "Ignorant people don't know what they don't know and they don't want to learn".

All you have to do is reflect on what's going on right now with this Roe vs Wade issue. Who's likely to overturn it? Which senators just voted against making R v W federal law? Who voted to defund Planned Parenthood? Members of that same party are ones who feel the U.S. can't afford to add more funding to social programs. I'm not going to go into the specifics of my former reply because as you know (or maybe you don't) politics is not allowed here....or there is a very fine line and I'd have to get political.

I don't have time to suffer fools, so I will no longer respond to your foolishness! I'm putting you on ignore.
@Pecos @StarSong @feywon
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Some people are angry, bitter and love to troll.....the only pleasure they get out of life. They slither across the web, I try to ignore them, doing otherwise 'excites' them. 🤡
 
Buckeye said:
Therein lies the rub. You believe I am obligated to give "financial support to the babies and children", when I believe that is the responsibility of the mother and father of that child. The old saying was "Don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em".

But, in today's world, "responsibility" has become a dirty word.
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That's a good argument to keep abortion legal. Irresponsible people shouldn't be having babies.
 
SeniorBen said:
That's a good argument to keep abortion legal. Irresponsible people shouldn't be having babies.
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Abortion aside, if we want to get judgmental about it, plenty of "responsible" people shouldn't be having babies either.

The whole point of legal abortion is to keep outsiders out of the equation and leave the matter to a woman and her doctor.
 
SeniorBen said:
That's a good argument to keep abortion legal. Irresponsible people shouldn't be having babies.
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Okay - either way, it is up to the mother and father of the child to support it once it is born. It really is just that simple.
 
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This is deju vu for me. I have lived through an abortion debate and I am not going to get into this one. Here in Canada, we had it from 1983 to 1986 and it seemed to go on and on. We had a doctor, Dr. Henry Morgentaler, who opened am abortion clinic in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The pro abortion protested. The anti-abortion protested. Yup! It went on for 3 years. The RCMP finally closed down his clinic because they said, "he was performing illegal abortions." As they say, "Time to move Forward."
 
hollydolly said:
errrm.. no, I'm referring to the hysterical driver who is a legislator...
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It was a little hard to hear and understand everything that was being said by this hysterical woman or the people on the phone. But I think at some point she said she had lost her job. No big surprise, if that's the way she reacts to everything she doesn't like.

My instinct tells me that she was not a legislator. Whatever we think of politicians, they usually have better control of their emotions than that. She may have had a low level job with the government, which she had lost, maybe due to her emotional issues.

A person who is employed, especially in the kind of white collar job she seemed to be claiming to have (at least at the beginning) is not going to be so horribly affected by a minor ticket like this that it would warrant such hysterical sobbing. I just looked up the fines for speeding in my state (different from her state, I know, that was not a Maryland license plate) and here, to be going such a small amount over the speed limit would impose an $80 fine and one point. Her car looked well cared for and in good condition. I doubt that she was really that poor.

I really admired the restraint and the courtesy the cop showed.

Would be curious to know if she did go to court, and how the case turned out.
 
Sunny said:
It was a little hard to hear and understand everything that was being said by this hysterical woman or the people on the phone. But I think at some point she said she had lost her job. No big surprise, if that's the way she reacts to everything she doesn't like.

My instinct tells me that she was not a legislator. Whatever we think of politicians, they usually have better control of their emotions than that. She may have had a low level job with the government, which she had lost, maybe due to her emotional issues.

A person who is employed, especially in the kind of white collar job she seemed to be claiming to have (at least at the beginning) is not going to be so horribly affected by a minor ticket like this that it would warrant such hysterical sobbing. I just looked up the fines for speeding in my state (different from her state, I know, that was not a Maryland license plate) and here, to be going such a small amount over the speed limit would impose an $80 fine and one point. Her car looked well cared for and in good condition. I doubt that she was really that poor.

I really admired the restraint and the courtesy the cop showed.

Would be curious to know if she did go to court, and how the case turned out.
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yes I thought the same about the Cop.. a few minutes of that hysteria, here .. and she would have been arrested..
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Now that is the biggest piece of BS I have seen printed on this website! The so called "crowd" opposes contraception and PPH helping women get birth control options.... Can you support any of this, is it documented or? Sounds like pure political slander....
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I've noticed that people such as yourself ask(no, demand!) documentation but then always reject it as "fake" or political slander. That's just part of the playbook that certain slanted media train their followers with, I see that all the time both online and in Real Life.
 
hollydolly said:
slightly off topic.. because I had no idea what state legislators do. I looked it up, and in the process came across this... Let's hope this person doesn't have say so over the laws where any of you live... *Yikes*

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I remember this when it went viral just before their elections. Of course she lost to her challenger and faced ethic charges. I presume she went to court and was also officially reprimanded by the Ulster County legisature. I know she was reamed out by the County officials who were her superiors.
 
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