The Derek Chauvin Trial

hollydolly said:
I agree... but in this case once the riots began, surly this person would want to see what had caused it...
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I can tell you, living in the Twin Cities, nobody could miss it. If not seeing it on TV, hearing it on the radio or even from other people. The only way I can think of that a person would not have been exposed to all of this would be if the person was in the hospital in a coma the whole or possibly on vacation to a remote island and is just getting home in time for jury duty.

Anyway, for a bit of levity, if that is even possible during these times...


Tony
 

Chet said:
At this point in my life; staring at the great forever just over the hill, I try not to involve myself to any great degree in things going on around me. When younger, I did. Head in the sand works.
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I can't stand having sand in my ears. :)

That was one thing I remember about going to the beach when I was growing up - sand got into EVERYTHING!

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
I can't stand having sand in my ears. :)

That was one thing I remember about going to the beach when I was growing up - sand got into EVERYTHING!

Tony
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I've always had a favorite saying that when you have sand in your teeth you know you had a good day surfing.
(I realize this has nothing to do with the subject at hand but the mention of sand is just too tempting.)
Carry on.....
 
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SetWave said:
I've always had a favorite saying that when you have sand in your teeth you know you had a good day surfing.
(I realize this has nothing to do with the subject at hand but the mention of sand is just too tempting.)
Carry on.....
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I get it. :ROFLMAO:

Surfers were our bane at the beach though. At Malibu, there were buoys with rope marking off where the surfers go and where the swimmers go. When surfers would wipe out, of course they lose control of their board so it goes over to where the swimmers are and when we would get hit, we get bruises. Things may well have changed drastically since that was 40 years ago (oh my!!!).

Anyway, I have a lot of respect for the sport of surfing. All I did was body surfing, but those surfer guys had incredible skills.

Tony
 
My husband is not particularly self-centered and definitely not a filthy liar, yet he hasn't seen the videos and had to be reminded who George Floyd was when this all started -- and he's from St. Paul.

He spends his days doing volunteer work for a place that helps out poor people in all sorts of ways -- he's personally done taxes for over 500 people this year, mainly so they can get their stimulus checks. He just never watches the news or spends any time on Youtube.

I can tell he thinks I'm really weird to be flying around in the morning getting my housework done before the trial starts and still riveted when he gets home at four. Who's spent the more worthwhile day? He has.

But anyway -- how about young Christopher Martin? What a fine young man, going to school in the morning working all afternoon and evening, worried about keeping his mother safe, and not wanting to get George Floyd in any trouble even though Floyd was happy to rip him off for $20, probably about 2 hours pay for Christopher. I hate that he feels guilty over what finally happened when none of it was his fault.
 
Della said:
My husband is not particularly self-centered and definitely not a filthy liar, yet he hasn't seen the videos and had to be reminded who George Floyd was when this all started -- and he's from St. Paul.

He spends his days doing volunteer work for a place that helps out poor people in all sorts of ways -- he's personally done taxes for over 500 people this year, mainly so they can get their stimulus checks. He just never watches the news or spends any time on Youtube.

I can tell he thinks I'm really weird to be flying around in the morning getting my housework done before the trial starts and still riveted when he gets home at four. Who's spent the more worthwhile day? He has.

But anyway -- how about young Christopher Martin? What a fine young man, going to school in the morning working all afternoon and evening, worried about keeping his mother safe, and not wanting to get George Floyd in any trouble even though Floyd was happy to rip him off for $20, probably about 2 hours pay for Christopher. I hate that he feels guilty over what finally happened when none of it was his fault.
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Thanks for this information. Your husband sounds like a fine guy. I do volunteer work too, but mine involves teaching ESL, math, and computer skills to immigrant adults through the library system and that is shut down until further notice due to COVID-19. The woman who runs the conversation group is doing it via zoom, but that is the only group the library has active during COVID.

I assumed that everybody had heard more than enough about this thing, but apparently there are exceptions. So, as a result of your post, I can certainly see how it is possible a potential juror may not have heard all the "jibber jabber" (as a judge on Boston Legal would say).

Tony
 
I was watching 61 year old Charles who was the witness who was calling to GF to get in the car, and GF answering back I will, but I can't breathe... and Charles was giving his evidence, and when shown a video he broke down and sobbed... and I cried for him too...and I just thought, that man doesn't know that people around the world are watching his testimony and people like me who live in a rural area of England, or anywhere other than the USA are crying with him.. :cry:
 
‘Not watched the video’ - no, I haven’t. I watched parts but could not watch a man die. Perhaps that juror was similar. There are some people who won’t watch the news. He couldn’t help but overhear the conversations living there and as the riots were happening.

I won’t follow the trial closely either, it’s too gruesome. There’ll be coverage on the evening news.
 
hollydolly said:
I was watching 61 year old Charles who was the witness who was calling to GF to get in the car, and GF answering back I will, but I can't breathe... and Charles was giving his evidence, and when shown a video he broke down and sobbed... and I cried for him too...and I just thought, that man doesn't know that people around the world are watching his testimony and people like me who live in a rural area of England, or anywhere other than the USA are crying with him.. :cry:
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Yes, such a sweet man. He charmed me the minute he admitted he was nosey. When George Floyd calls for his mama, to me, it's the saddest part of the whole thing, and when Mr. Charles said he had lost his mother last June it made me think how our love and need for our mothers crosses all races and nationalities and it doesn't matter how old we get either.
 
Della said:
Yes, such a sweet man. He charmed me the minute he admitted he was nosey. When George Floyd calls for his mama, to me, it's the saddest part of the whole thing, and when Mr. Charles said he had lost his mother last June it made me think how our love and need for our mothers crosses all races and nationalities and it doesn't matter how old we get either.
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so, so true.... but I had to take issue with Mr Charles from my sofa when he said he couldn't see the board because he is OLD... he's 61... I was shouting ..Nooooo wayyyy you're not old... similar age to Boy George , George Clooney, ..he's younger than Me, Sting, Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger... lol.... I wanted to tell him c'mon don't think you're old at 61...
 
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Sassycakes said:
I feel so sorry for the poor cashier, I actually cried when I saw him saying what happened. He did what he was supposed to do,what happened after isn't his fault.
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True, but he'll carry that all his life, and ultimately he did it because he thought he might have to pay it out of his own wages, but the company released a statement saying they've never made any cashier replace money from a bad bank note, it was always only a threat to make them examine notes carefully.... so all of it was just one disaster after the other.

I was watching George in the shop, and he was happy, and doing a little dance, and I just couldn't believe I was watching a man who was going to be killed minutes later
 
Here is the bottom line, if you are so STUPID as to kneel on a persons neck, much less for 9 minutes, he needs to be horse whipped for that alone, STUPIDITY.

Oh, but wait, the "Manual" said it was okay? I wonder how many medical people were consulted before it was included in the policemen's Bible of conduct??
 
rgp said:
The correct person is pushing daisies. Unfortunately a good officer has been removed from the street.

Bad guys belong either in a jail cell or in a grave. Which one depends on their behavior [or lack of] .

The procedure used by the officer was approved @ that time.
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It may have been approved at the time to subdue someone. But Chuavin had multiple witnesses including another officer at the scene telling him Floyd was out. That's when you stop. Chuavin didn't. Floyd's crimes in no way merit the death sentence; he should not be "pushing up daisies" if you understand US law. Chavin, on the other hand, administered inappropriate deady force. Floyd was unconscious for vitally important minutes before he died while Chuavin maintained force. A veteran cop can discern when someone is unconscious or faking it. If Chauvin couldn't, he had a peer at the scene who did understated who advised him to stop force at a point that very likely could've saved Floyd's life.

Floyd was a POS with a bad rap sheet that including pointing a gun at the belly of a pregnant woman. The day of his death, he used counterfeit currency while high on an illegal drug ...but neither would've gotten him the death penalty. Chauvin decided in those moments he was warned to stop force to take the 'law' far beyond the limits of his job.

A POS officer with multiple formal complaints and not enough sense to recognize when a cuffed suspect is unconscious--by no means a good officer--has been removed from the streets.

Both seem to me to be crappy people but one is dead whose crimes didn't warrant the death penalty. One is alive who--based on prior complaints--should not have been serving in a capacity in which he had the power to kill ...approved procedure or not.
 
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Della said:
I watched the jury selection and they weren't demanding that they had no previous knowledge of the case, just that they hadn't made up their minds about it. I do wonder how they can live in Minneapolis and not have strong opinions about something that had the city in an uproar for months.

I thought that all the witnesses we've had so far were clearly on the side of the prosecution. Genevieve got the reprimand from the judge because she couldn't hide her hostility to the defense lawyer and wanted to press her agenda at every opportunity. I kind of love her and would feel as angry as she does if I felt I could have saved a life and someone prevented me -- but the judge had to stop her. Chauvin must have a fair trial or he will simply appeal the verdict.
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The reason that all witnesses to date seem to you to favor the prosecution is because it is the prosecution that is now putting on its case and calling its witnesses. The defense will get its turn after the prosecution rests its case.
 

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