Two Children Killed In School Shooting

Babs2u said:
I see we will probably disagree but I would start with the assault weapons ban.
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You do realize that it's impossible to buy an assault weapon. You can't buy one since they've been banned since 1986. You cannot buy one unless you have an FFL permit.

But if I find interesting is, nobody is raising a stink about the shootings in Chicago, New York and LA. The murder rate alone in Chicago is over 200 I believe at this point, but of course since it's mainly blacks nobody really cares about the death rate.

Adult and children are being shot in those cities also, but is anybody screaming about it?
 

You do realize that it's impossible to buy an assault weapon. You can't buy one since they've been banned since 1986. You cannot buy one unless you have an FFL permit.
Disgustedman said:
But if I find interesting is, nobody is raising a stink about the shootings in Chicago, New York and LA. The murder rate alone in Chicago is over 200 I believe at this point, but of course since it's mainly blacks nobody really cares about the death rate.

Adult and children are being shot in those cities also, but is anybody screaming about it?
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Not true. Pennsylvania allows for the purchase of an assault rifle, like an AR-15.
Some states have passed their own laws regarding purchasing assault weapons.

The Federal assault weapons ban that was enacted in 1994 and included a sunset provision that expired in 2004 and is not currently in effect at the federal level. Efforts to renew the ban in Congress have not succeeded.
 
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Disgustedman said:
You do realize that it's impossible to buy an assault weapon. You can't buy one since they've been banned since 1986. You cannot buy one unless you have an FFL permit.

But if I find interesting is, nobody is raising a stink about the shootings in Chicago, New York and LA. The murder rate alone in Chicago is over 200 I believe at this point, but of course since it's mainly blacks nobody really cares about the death rate.

Adult and children are being shot in those cities also, but is anybody screaming about it?
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A very good question. Too many people of all ages die intentionally or accidentally by bullets, but more can be mowed down in one day by a single shooter with high powered firearms and almost unlimited ammunition.
 

911 said:
You do realize that it's impossible to buy an assault weapon. You can't buy one since they've been banned since 1986. You cannot buy one unless you have an FFL permit.

Not true. Pennsylvania allows for the purchase of an assault rifle, like an AR-15.
Some states have passed their own laws regarding purchasing assault weapons.

The Federal assault weapons ban that was enacted in 1994 and included a sunset provision expired in 2004 and is not currently in effect at the federal level. Efforts to renew the ban in Congress have not succeeded.
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An AR-15 is not an assault weapon. An assault weapon is one with the capability of going fully automatic.

Well I guess I could shout that to the sky and still people would believe that you can buy an automatic weapon in a gun store.. I waste my time too much saying such.
 
Disgustedman said:
You do realize that it's impossible to buy an assault weapon. You can't buy one since they've been banned since 1986. You cannot buy one unless you have an FFL permit.

But if I find interesting is, nobody is raising a stink about the shootings in Chicago, New York and LA. The murder rate alone in Chicago is over 200 I believe at this point, but of course since it's mainly blacks nobody really cares about the death rate.

Adult and children are being shot in those cities also, but is anybody screaming about it?
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Gun violence in the cities is out of control as well. One thing we can do is try to elect better people.
 
oldman said:
Earlier today, two children were killed in a Catholic school in Minnesota. An 8 and a 10 year old were killed by gunfire. Another 17 were injured. Police have no motive at the time the story went to press.

Shooter was found dead at the scene from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

School Shooting
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What a sad, sad day! I was in tears all day when I heard the news about the Catholic school event. Little, innocent children, gunned down like animals. This is horrific. The two that were killed are now angels. May God bless them, the victims, and their families. Protect us all from evil!
 
Warrigal said:
A very good question. Too many people of all ages die intentionally or accidentally by bullets, but more can be mowed down in one day by a single shooter with high powered firearms and almost unlimited ammunition.
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The will to kill. The younger generation has it in spades. They also act on impulse especially the gang bangers in their teens and twenties. Look at someone funny at the wrong person, place or time expect to be looking at an incoming bullet, fist, knife or car. Their 'penalty' or solution is death

Apparently this murderer was suicidal at the time of their heinous act. He/she wanted to kill themselves, didn't have the guts to do it and needed to commit a crime that there would be no coming back from.
 
Warrigal said:
As if that makes any difference to the families, teachers and children.
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Well it should make a difference to all, for it is these ****ed up people that seem to do these things and it [should] make a difference in how it is discussed here.

If only we [as a society] would start to recognize it early-on and actually do something about it [them]. Start by limiting their access to weapons, and [I'll say it] perhaps go back to institutionalizing them BEFORE they kill.
 
911 said:
Sometimes, I just got that feeling in my gut that something was not kosher. When a cop gets that feeling, it’s a warning to back off and get some help and proceed slowly, which we did. We all wanted to go home in the morning, which we did.
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When my son first got his driver's license, I told him to basically expect, as a teenage boy, to be pulled over, whether it's a local, relatively "minor" pull-over or if he gets pulled over on an interstate. He's slender, like his father, and would usually take his wallet out of his back pocket when driving and lay it on the front passenger seat because it was uncomfortable to sit on. Naturally, at times the wallet would slide off into the front passenger footwell.

I made sure to tell him that if this had happened, to NOT, under ANY circumstance, reach down to retrieve his wallet (i.e., to get his license). I told him to keep his hands on the wheel and explain to the officer what he would be doing, that if he just reached down the officer would assume he's reaching for a gun and pull his own weapon and probably scare the s--t out of him.

It's sad that this even has to be such an issue.

I'm glad you've stayed safe, @911.
 
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Like usual, the left wing politicians will turn tragedy into opportunity to further their agenda.
We've all heard it before, guns don't kill people, people do.
You don't need a gun to kill people. We've seen mentally ill people drive into a crowd with the pedal mashed to the floor.
Propane tanks, Molotov cocktails, knives, baseball bats, candlesticks, rocks, bare hands, etc.
Guns have been around forever, but the problem seems to be getting worse.
Mentally ill people are going untreated because nobody wants to hurt their feelings.
24/7 "news" channels make the shooter famous, plaster his picture all over the TV and internet. "Not such a nobody now"
Until we stop blaming the tool and start solving the root problem, nothing will change.
All the guns could disappear today, and the crazies will still kill as many people as they can to make themselves famous.
Not trying to offend anyone, just saying if we keep believing guns are the problem, then nothing will change.
 
Disgustedman said:
An AR-15 is not an assault weapon. An assault weapon is one with the capability of going fully automatic.

Well I guess I could shout that to the sky and still people would believe that you can buy an automatic weapon in a gun store.. I waste my time too much saying such.
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It doesn't really matter whether it's an automatic weapon, a semi-automatic, a Terminator-5000. It's a weapon that makes it possible to shoot 19 people in a matter of seconds before any teacher or security guard has time to use their defense weapon if they had one. They should be outlawed just as we have outlawed private citizens having cannons. The constitution doesn't say we have a right to things like that to arm our mythical militia.

rgp said:
Well it should make a difference to all, for it is these ****ed up people that seem to do these things and it [should] make a difference in how it is discussed here.

If only we [as a society] would start to recognize it early-on and actually do something about it [them]. Start by limiting their access to weapons, and [I'll say it] perhaps go back to institutionalizing them BEFORE they kill.
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The idea that we might be able to tell who might do this sort of thing ahead of time is one of the NRA's smoke screens. Should someone have locked Robin Westman up in an institution because she looked different? What about the Gambler in LA what would he have been locked up for? Should the Columbine boys have been locked up for being victims of bullying? Most mass murderers do not have a mental illness and the few that do were not seeing a psychiatrist. If they are seeing a psychiatrist they are on medication and statistically less likely to be violent.
 
Flarbalard said:
I can understand why people think that banning a certain type of weapon or all firearms etc, would reduce these incidents, I'm sure it would --initially.

What concerns me is that at some point one of these crazy people will find an alternate way of inflicting casualties and save their single shot flintlock for themselves. This this would lead to a media frenzy about the new methodology, and we'd just start all over again. People are inventive, if it works it will be copied. If it gets it's 15 minutes of fame, it definitely be copied. There is something so very fundamentally broken here. Just my opinion and my fear.
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except that isnt what has happened i n countries that have changed their gun laws o n these sort of guns.

Sure there have been incidents of driving cars into crowds and others - but nothing has happened on the equivalent scale as mass guns shootings.
 
Della said:
It doesn't really matter whether it's an automatic weapon, a semi-automatic, a Terminator-5000. It's a weapon that makes it possible to shoot 19 people in a matter of seconds before any teacher or security guard has time to use their defense weapon if they had one. They should be outlawed just as we have outlawed private citizens having cannons. The constitution doesn't say we have a right to things like that to arm our mythical militia.




The idea that we might be able to tell who might do this sort of thing ahead of time is one of the NRA's smoke screens. Should someone have locked Robin Westman up in an institution because she looked different? What about the Gambler in LA what would he have been locked up for? Should the Columbine boys have been locked up for being victims of bullying? Most mass murderers do not have a mental illness and the few that do were not seeing a psychiatrist. If they are seeing a psychiatrist they are on medication and statistically less likely to be violent.
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"Most mass murderers do not have a mental"

Sorry but ........

If you murder period, you have a mental condition of some sort. and most of them do display some sort of [marker/hint] well before the tragedy .

And once again, it was Robert Westman, not [Robin]

"Should the Columbine boys have been locked up for being victims of bullying?

No but IMO they should have been closely analyzed/monitored. . Keep in mind that bullying is a part of childhood/growing up.
 
Cornhusker said:
Like usual, the left wing politicians will turn tragedy into opportunity to further their agenda.
We've all heard it before, guns don't kill people, people do.
You don't need a gun to kill people. We've seen mentally ill people drive into a crowd with the pedal mashed to the floor.
Propane tanks, Molotov cocktails, knives, baseball bats, candlesticks, rocks, bare hands, etc.
Guns have been around forever, but the problem seems to be getting worse.
Mentally ill people are going untreated because nobody wants to hurt their feelings.
24/7 "news" channels make the shooter famous, plaster his picture all over the TV and internet. "Not such a nobody now"
Until we stop blaming the tool and start solving the root problem, nothing will change.
All the guns could disappear today, and the crazies will still kill as many people as they can to make themselves famous.
Not trying to offend anyone, just saying if we keep believing guns are the problem, then nothing will change.
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Guns contribute to the problem.
 
January said:
I don't blame the tool itself - I blame easy access to the tool

The root cause of US having so many mass gun shootings is easy access to the tool
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It is clear to me too that there are too many firearms in civilian hands and the laws governing their sale, acquisition and safe storage are different across the 50 states. In the 1800s unregulated firearms made sense. Not so today.
 
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January said:
no it wasnt.

if anyone changes their name or goes by a name for whatever reason then that name is who they are
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I think we can call this loathsome, murderous, anti-Semitic POS by any damn pronoun we choose.

If I start calling myself Elvis Presley tomorrow it means I'm crazy, not that I am Elvis Presley.
 
rgp said:
"Most mass murderers do not have a mental"

Sorry but ........

If you murder period, you have a mental condition of some sort. and most of them do display some sort of [marker/hint] well before the tragedy .

And once again, it was Robert Westman, not [Robin]

"Should the Columbine boys have been locked up for being victims of bullying?

No but IMO they should have been closely analyzed/monitored. . Keep in mind that bullying is a part of childhood/growing up.
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You're talking about things that can only be determined after the crime. You would have every person on earth locked up! Anyone who was bullied, anyone who seems sad, any child who ever has a temper tantrum or was ever bullied must be "closely monitored."

It's impossible to predict who will snap. We live in a free society where we don't lock people up just because they don't meet someone else's standard of normal.

The murderer's name is Robin not Robert. It was legally changed a few years ago.
 

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