What is required in your opinion to refer to a powerful intelligent entity as a "god"?

Lawrence00 said:
God invented this adventure game. God really doesn't care if you believe in him, as he is off building new universes.

Yes he.

God couldn't possibly be female. All that drama and crying. šŸ™„

We sometimes "do" and can have magical effects on this timeline.

At the same time, it was God that said "Men make plans and God laughs"

There are invisible players in this hologram that can sometimes affect the timeline. In their visible forms they often appear as cats, to mirror their invisible humor.

No, that vase would look better shattered on the floor.
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God couldnā€™t possibly be female. All that drama and crying? What about ā€˜Mother Nature?ā€™ Where does she fit in with all the tornados, hurricanes, hail, rain floods, earth quakes etcā€¦?

Sheā€™s definitely not frail.
 

Not really all that difficult.

If you believe there is a sentient being billions of years old that somehow just is & that gives you peace. Good on ya.

If you don't and that gives you peace. Good on ya.
 
Nathan said:
Nice refresher of my ancient history, cultural anthropology, philosophy of religion and art history courses in college.
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So just a few members have to this point posted a response to my basic question of "...would you term such an entity with vast though physically limited powers as a "God" like many ancients did, or reserve the term "god" only to entities with unlimited OOO powers and those that do not to something else?" Instead most posts ignored my question and once others began posting after a couple days of no posting, devolved into discussing more about general god subjects of who, what, is God and their personal belief or not in such, anecdotal stories, plus a few just making jokes.

I do thank @Nathan and @Naturally @Knight for their inputs. Much more thorough than the earlier link is the below video I'll highly recommend because one will better understand how god beliefs rose. However the below video does not address the key OOO supernatural question I posed that was conjured up by philosophers much later during the Middle Ages and dominates people's beliefs today, that tried to outdo one another imaging what some ultimate perfect entity would be. Ideas that if untrue, don't necessarily mean some advanced entities have been involved.

The early history of how humans developed ideas on supernatural forces is much better understood today. It bears on my question because one will better understand how humans originally believed in large numbers of deities and spirits and from that arose monotheistic beliefs that was more from millennia of warring groups of one city state god against another's city state god. And that polytheism has been a natural tendency of humans as early anthropologists noticed other isolated remote human groups did so too. So will highly recommend as a starting point, viewing the below professionally created video that also ought be entertaining.

If one searches on Youtube with "ancient civilizations", numbers of hits will result of which I've viewed a few of the videos of. The following hour long video is the best I've watched that contains considerable archeology photos and graphics. It is amazing to this person how much more solid anthropology science and hypothetical behavioral analysis has progressed since I took classes decades ago. And with that, an understanding of psychological factors bearing on how and why civilizations arose including their religious practices that bear on this thread.

The Birth of Civilization - The First Farmers (20000 BC to 8800 BC)


Given archeology, our understanding of what occurred before the rise of civilizations during the Stone Ages has dramatically increased. In particular, the change from being groups of hunter gatherers to farming was much more gradual and widespread across the Eurasian continent that pushes back well before the long last ice age period.
 
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The below thread I started from a couple months ago discussed why "matter/energy/stuff" has always existed thus never needed to have a beginning to be created. It is rather simple:

Able to mentally grasp...stuff has always existed ?

More members have posted in this thread versus my earlier thread admitting to:
Or is your brain rebelling with an inner feeling of the impossible at the notion something has existed forever?
 
The following is an excerpt from another paper I've written. To be clear, although I view the Bible as errant, written by men, I also lean towards there being a fair amount of very useful OT/NT material that was passed done to prophets, was communicated to others through oral tradition stories. Interestingly the John 14:2 passage below reads like Jesus may be part of large family of different entities including what the OT terms angels, that exist within the realm of an ultimate power god/UIE.
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...Iā€™ll continue some speculation about the nature of God/UIE without meaning I as a relative thinker tend to personally believe in any of them.

  • Maybe an immensely powerful entity but not all powerful that I term a UIE?
  • Maybe not everywhere but rather always localized or an immense distributed machine?
  • Maybe not eternal but rather unimaginably ancient?
  • Maybe not all knowing while knowing vastly more than we can even imagine?

  • Maybe not all benevolent accordingly to our human moral sense but merely mostly so? I doubt our human ideas of morality and ethics fully square with that of a UIE level entity.
  • Maybe his thinking has changed over time though during the existence of us concerning us, maybe unchanging maybe not? Does that in fact matter especially since IMO that is illogical?
  • Maybe he didnā€™t really create all our universe but rather exists within it?
  • Maybe God/UIE didnā€™t create matter energy in some form that already existed but rather what we find as fine tuned now within our Big Bang universe that is localized within the infinite.

  • Maybe God didnā€™t create the universe but created DNA life within it?
  • Maybe he isnā€™t the only god or UIE but rather the only one within our region of space time?
  • Maybe God just like all else, has limitations of traveling through distances of space per the speed of light?
  • Maybe God and his angels are not aware of every thought all of us make throughout our lifetimes or maybe just our external actions?
  • Maybe God is so distant in Heaven with the speed of light a true limitation in the Universe, that he can only affect us through earth local angels or machines and the Holy Spirit with some level of powers left here on Earth?

And because of that distance if he returned to say a distant Heaven limited by light speed and time, may not even be aware of what has since occurred beyond a generation of Christā€™s time? And that may be why God/UIE handed the baton to Moses and then Joshua and then Jesus handed it to Peter, and the Bible reads like it was not corrected because we humans now own it however that turns out? After some thousands of years resident on Earth, frustrated by trying to help and guide we Earth creatures, it ought not be surprisingly that he might have eventually left back to Heaven after one last final plan that was Jesus Christ his son. His only organic son Earth creature crucified.

One theme that I repeat through much of the below is that God/UIE; for the most part seems to have allowed humans to write whatever they wanted about him without him doing much of anything to correct whatever. Even much dogma that has been strongly accepted over millennia. As though it is up to we humans to solely do so. That is not to say he has never done so at least at times with the Holy Spirit or wonā€™t do so in the future.

And likewise, he is not whispering regularly in the ears of our most revered least sinful religious people regardless of how much some or those people want to argue he is. It must be very annoying to him and angels that religious authorities with power have so dominated the narratives strangling the life out of what ordinary people might consider on their own.

But now given world wide access to information, much is out in the open including centuries of writings by scholars so they cannot hide any longer as their followers wither away. And let me be clear that by far, most within the ranks of priests and preachers are well meaning, moral, helpful, sincere people doing much positive good, being swept along by forces far beyond their own influences that would banish and excommunicate them otherwise. And I expect God/UIE understands all this and those good well-meaning people receive His ultimate gift of salvation and eternal life.

Life evolved on planet Earth over 4.6 billion years ago ending in the recent rise of apes into homo sapiens. Iā€™ll suggest God/UIE was more interested in our species than any other life and so has become more involved with us than others, like a grasshopper, a fish, or a deer, because we are the first and only species that can orally communicate with He the creator with his auditory Word. That is why below I speculate he made Adam from ordinary humans. It also leads to the probability that Heaven is a world with an atmosphere where audio communications are possible and that God/UIE and angels have audio senses.

For thousands of years, he let us live however while studying us but then when populations increased to the levels of early civilizations, he became very troubled with our immoral behaviors, especially with killing, wars, depraved sexuality, slavery, and ways we hurtfully treated others. Although he didnā€™t seem to want to become more involved, he did so because of cries from those afflicted by evil others. Interestingly, that is exactly how Moses wrote per below. In other words, God/UIE did not intervene until years and generations had passed. His strategy to help us has changed over time as his early attempts didnā€™t work out while showing he has given humans plenty of chances to work things out on our own.

Exodus 3:7 The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the affliction of My people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their oppressors, and I am aware of their sufferings. The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt.

Finally, short of destroying all of us and starting over with some other evolving sentient creature, he sent a very close entity, spiritual like himself, into the body of an actual human that became his son Jesus. Since during Moses times, humans have not accepted him easily as a powerful god, so he allowed Jesus to present a softer more human understanding entity to do so and become judge as someone that understood us from our own level, over the rest of us versus doing so himself as an entity so high beyond us that we creatures are too flawed to ever be acceptable.

And through Jesus he offered the greatest imaginable gift to an organic sentient mortal creature possible, eternal immortal life in paradise. If individual humans in turn do not accept that gift then they have accepted their own certain eternal destruction and demise of non-existence. As though it was time for God/UIE to move onto his other worlds, while leaving behind a structure to help us with Jesus leading that in Heaven while the Holy Spirit remains local.

john 14:2 My Fatherā€™s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
 
Due to a new interview, a worthwhile update today for this dated thread I'd started. The below link is from a key, very credible former government person that has been trying to go public with the information.

And within threads about "god" I've posted several times about my term UIE, Ultimate Intelligent Entity, I speculate are likely a race of very ancient entities, likely not organic at least mostly, though originally probably evolved from DNA organics, that likely dominate at least our Milky Way region of space if not the whole universe and may have existed vastly before the theorized current 13.6 billion year old universe.

Entities that don't use Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, OOO IMO magic like powers our philosophers assigned "god" but rather advanced science. And that they may be the source of SOME ancient civilization god stories. That if they also have had a hand at generally spreading DNA life on suitable planets within liquid water zone distances of stars, creating biological zoos, that they would also have reason to try to prevent any emergent intelligent species capable of technology from destroying their precious zoos. Even if like on Star Trek that had a non-interference Prime Directive moral attitude.

Ex-Pentagon Official Discusses Government's Hunt for UFOs: 'I Have To Be Careful What I Say' (Exclusive)

Itā€™s been seven years since Luis Elizondo began making headlines after resigning from his job as a senior intelligence official for a top-secret Pentagon program that investigated UFO's ā€” also known as UAP's or unidentified anomalous phenomena ā€” and going public about his frustration over the lack of transparency on the issue.

The longtime military intelligence veteran spent nearly seven years as director for the Department of Defenseā€™s clandestine Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. What he learned during his tenure convinced him that the countless sightings and encounters with highly advanced aerial phenomena by military pilots and personnel posed a potentially grave threat to our national defense.

Instead of dismissing these reports, he wanted Pentagon higher-ups to wake up to the possible dangers our nation ā€” and planet ā€” face by these unexplained phenomena. ā€œThe amount of stigma and taboo that was placed on this topic for so long has really paralyzed the conversation,ā€ the former U.S. Army Counterintelligence Special Agent ā€” who served in Afghanistan and ran antiterrorism missions ā€” told PEOPLE in 2021. ā€œBut these things are real. We donā€™t know what they are yet, but they are real, so we should probably take them seriously.ā€

Some of we humans could have tiny alien technologies inside our bodies and not be aware of whatever. For what purpose and how might such devices affect us?

You write about objects that have been surgically removed from the bodies of U.S. soldiers who claimed to have had contact with these non-human visitors. Can you expand upon that?

...This was from a U.S. service member who claimed to have had a close encounter with a UAP ā€” and it was not an isolated incident. In this particular case, you have what appeared to be some sort of very small technical device inside a human body and a surgeon from the Department of Veterans Affairs who successfully isolated it and removed it.

But before he could remove it, according to the report, it kept trying to evade capture. Every time he would try to isolate it, it would move [within the veteranā€™s body]. When he finally was able to remove it from the patient, and it was placed in a petri dish for analysis, it continued moving under its own power source, but ultimately it stopped moving.

I canā€™t tell you how long, but it continued to move by itself long enough for the pathologist to be very concerned. It was encapsulated in human biological tissue, possibly in an attempt to avoid detection. It appeared to be made from some sort of metal. It was square and almost looked like mother of pearl and metallic with different kinds of colors like purples and silver.
 
David777 said:
The following is an excerpt from another paper I've written. To be clear, although I view the Bible as errant, written by men, I also lean towards there being a fair amount of very useful OT/NT material that was passed done to prophets, was communicated to others through oral tradition stories. Interestingly the John 14:2 passage below reads like Jesus may be part of large family of different entities including what the OT terms angels, that exist within the realm of an ultimate power god/UIE.
------------------------------------

...Iā€™ll continue some speculation about the nature of God/UIE without meaning I as a relative thinker tend to personally believe in any of them.

  • Maybe an immensely powerful entity but not all powerful that I term a UIE?
  • Maybe not everywhere but rather always localized or an immense distributed machine?
  • Maybe not eternal but rather unimaginably ancient?
  • Maybe not all knowing while knowing vastly more than we can even imagine?

  • Maybe not all benevolent accordingly to our human moral sense but merely mostly so? I doubt our human ideas of morality and ethics fully square with that of a UIE level entity.
  • Maybe his thinking has changed over time though during the existence of us concerning us, maybe unchanging maybe not? Does that in fact matter especially since IMO that is illogical?
  • Maybe he didnā€™t really create all our universe but rather exists within it?
  • Maybe God/UIE didnā€™t create matter energy in some form that already existed but rather what we find as fine tuned now within our Big Bang universe that is localized within the infinite.

  • Maybe God didnā€™t create the universe but created DNA life within it?
  • Maybe he isnā€™t the only god or UIE but rather the only one within our region of space time?
  • Maybe God just like all else, has limitations of traveling through distances of space per the speed of light?
  • Maybe God and his angels are not aware of every thought all of us make throughout our lifetimes or maybe just our external actions?
  • Maybe God is so distant in Heaven with the speed of light a true limitation in the Universe, that he can only affect us through earth local angels or machines and the Holy Spirit with some level of powers left here on Earth?

And because of that distance if he returned to say a distant Heaven limited by light speed and time, may not even be aware of what has since occurred beyond a generation of Christā€™s time? And that may be why God/UIE handed the baton to Moses and then Joshua and then Jesus handed it to Peter, and the Bible reads like it was not corrected because we humans now own it however that turns out? After some thousands of years resident on Earth, frustrated by trying to help and guide we Earth creatures, it ought not be surprisingly that he might have eventually left back to Heaven after one last final plan that was Jesus Christ his son. His only organic son Earth creature crucified.

One theme that I repeat through much of the below is that God/UIE; for the most part seems to have allowed humans to write whatever they wanted about him without him doing much of anything to correct whatever. Even much dogma that has been strongly accepted over millennia. As though it is up to we humans to solely do so. That is not to say he has never done so at least at times with the Holy Spirit or wonā€™t do so in the future.

And likewise, he is not whispering regularly in the ears of our most revered least sinful religious people regardless of how much some or those people want to argue he is. It must be very annoying to him and angels that religious authorities with power have so dominated the narratives strangling the life out of what ordinary people might consider on their own.

But now given world wide access to information, much is out in the open including centuries of writings by scholars so they cannot hide any longer as their followers wither away. And let me be clear that by far, most within the ranks of priests and preachers are well meaning, moral, helpful, sincere people doing much positive good, being swept along by forces far beyond their own influences that would banish and excommunicate them otherwise. And I expect God/UIE understands all this and those good well-meaning people receive His ultimate gift of salvation and eternal life.

Life evolved on planet Earth over 4.6 billion years ago ending in the recent rise of apes into homo sapiens. Iā€™ll suggest God/UIE was more interested in our species than any other life and so has become more involved with us than others, like a grasshopper, a fish, or a deer, because we are the first and only species that can orally communicate with He the creator with his auditory Word. That is why below I speculate he made Adam from ordinary humans. It also leads to the probability that Heaven is a world with an atmosphere where audio communications are possible and that God/UIE and angels have audio senses.

For thousands of years, he let us live however while studying us but then when populations increased to the levels of early civilizations, he became very troubled with our immoral behaviors, especially with killing, wars, depraved sexuality, slavery, and ways we hurtfully treated others. Although he didnā€™t seem to want to become more involved, he did so because of cries from those afflicted by evil others. Interestingly, that is exactly how Moses wrote per below. In other words, God/UIE did not intervene until years and generations had passed. His strategy to help us has changed over time as his early attempts didnā€™t work out while showing he has given humans plenty of chances to work things out on our own.

Exodus 3:7 The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the affliction of My people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their oppressors, and I am aware of their sufferings. The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt.

Finally, short of destroying all of us and starting over with some other evolving sentient creature, he sent a very close entity, spiritual like himself, into the body of an actual human that became his son Jesus. Since during Moses times, humans have not accepted him easily as a powerful god, so he allowed Jesus to present a softer more human understanding entity to do so and become judge as someone that understood us from our own level, over the rest of us versus doing so himself as an entity so high beyond us that we creatures are too flawed to ever be acceptable.

And through Jesus he offered the greatest imaginable gift to an organic sentient mortal creature possible, eternal immortal life in paradise. If individual humans in turn do not accept that gift then they have accepted their own certain eternal destruction and demise of non-existence. As though it was time for God/UIE to move onto his other worlds, while leaving behind a structure to help us with Jesus leading that in Heaven while the Holy Spirit remains local.

john 14:2 My Fatherā€™s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
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Youā€™ve got way too much time on your hands
 
What an odd question...a requirement? If they are requiring something they need, maybe that could be love, or acceptance, a father figure, a pal, an imaginary friend, or meaning. If it is like you are required to have a license to drive a car, then it could be, salvation, forgiveness, doing what your told, to humble yourself before "it", to ask directly, or get on bended knee. If it is to make it necessary, like your required to have a license to drive car. So it could mean, could go to hell, be left when all the Christians leave, eternal damnation, miss out on the best things in life, loneliness and sadness in old age, or some other benefit from proclaiming God.

So which one?
 

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