What the Covid 19 vaccine side effects feels like

Jeni said:
Yes, there is a risk every time you go out. Not only with this virus but other diseases or even driving is a risk.
People should assess the risk and make choices................. but the current situation is bordering on others deciding they can over ride your decision by cancel culture.

If you chose to go out ...do so then........... either stay away from others or let them know that you go out more often etc so they can decide if they want to be around you.
Many have best guesses as to where they might have encountered but do not have proof. There is simply NO absolutes regardless of whatever media or narrative you follow. People who seemed healthy become very ill and those with many obvious issues recover fairly quickly. This is true with many illnesses.......

Why is there almost no FLU deaths people say because of masks and distancing .....perhaps......... but there is also a chance some are counted as Covid.
States opened themselves up to questioning when many admitted the death or case counts most likely are NOT correct. some states have actually done the right thing and go back to correct some data....... With bad data anyone who tries to study what went wrong or could have been done are working with false numbers.


My questioning of items is simply being curious...

Told Asymptomatic people are the danger ............so look around places taking temperatures looking for a possible SYMPTOM........... to find an Asymptomatic person.
The CDC lists different possible symptoms and the percentage of patients that seem to experience them..... i believe fever is only in 13% of cases. The possibility of catching a person with temp screening is very low....... we have screening for any employee coming on site no one has been detected by expensive hi-tech screening but we have had cases.

We were told hairstylists/ barbers were dangerous even though state LICENSING for this occupation requires 1500-2500 hours ( varies by state) on sanitation and health concerns and possible disease or conditions that could spread......
but a teenager with a 15 minute food safety course/ card is handling food for takeout.....makes little sense.

Lectured regularly that I am somehow responsible for the health of others but..........
Can I go take junk food out of people's basket at a store ..... can I give random strangers diet advice or take a cigarette out someones mouth ..... NO...................... that would be uncalled for and perhaps considered fat shaming.

Have you ever seen a person or loved one have a severe reaction to a vaccine ...... you know the ones mentioned in the fine print of the paper you sign to eliminate all liability to drug company..... perhaps some think those side effects / deaths were not real people but hypothetical ones............my example has a name.

Many Covid patients are given Vitamin D in treatment ..... they say the connection is not completely understood yet...... but I see no suggestions / recommendations to take a supplement (estimated over half are low in Vitamin D) .....................even if it saved 1 life or lessened the severity of case..... why not.................. isn't that the idea that every possible precaution should be taken......but crickets.......

2 studies in 2 different countries have been done suggesting that blood type matters in being able to fight off this virus ........ did you see any media to alert (even if it was a very small chance) to those whom have the specific type ............... Nope......

Obesity is a co- morbidity ............ when do we expect mandatory exercise to begin perhaps cities can sound an alarm and we can all do PE again......... why were all junk food conglomerates not shut down for the good of the Nation,.....

Does George Orwell ring a bell ........1984.
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It seems to me that you complain about being lectured but have no problem lecturing. 😂. No offense meant as you do raise some good points. I don’t care if some one wears a mask or not. I don’t care if someone gets vaccinated or not. (Although I think everyone should wear a mask and should get vaccinated)

I do care that my son thought eating out was important enough to get the virus over. 🙄. But even adult children can be incredibly stupid and he was. I am so glad he survived. He has learned his lesson and now is very careful.

I plan to start my puppy in training classes. I will wear a mask, goggles, and social distance. I prefer not to get the virus. I am overweight, I exercise , I am losing weight, and I already take daily prednisone and vitamin D long before the virus issue.
 

Chrise said:
Tired of the back and forth, people trying to change a personal choice. Dying can be everywhere no matter what we do, So forget the scary outcomes...
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Knowing side-effects (what the OP is about) is most important to me when choosing to take a vaccine, or a drug so the topic was a good one for me. It was when we let it turn into a "I know better than you" is when it soured. Too bad we can't have a genuine discussion without the egos. I know, I'm a dreamer ;)
 

I hope the vaccine becomes available where I live soon. I have a nephew in Georgia who got the covid and it did damage to his lungs. He needed a double lung transplant. He then developed pnuemonia and had to be put on a ventilator. He is still in the hospital. My daughter, her husband, and my granddaughter also had the covid, but thankfully they are ok. I feel that if I get the vaccine hopefully there won't be any serious side effects and then hopefully, I won't be able to spread the covid to anyone else. So maybe getting the vaccine not only helps the person getting it, but helps other people they come in contact with.
 
Not sure if I am right here but I think the Pfizer vaccine prevents the vaccinated person from getting it but they still can transmit it ????
Asymptomatic individuals are still able to transmit the virus even though they do not have symptoms.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/once-you-get-the-covid-19-vaccine-can-you-still-infect-others/
Sassycakes said:
I hope the vaccine becomes available where I live soon. I have a nephew in Georgia who got the covid and it did damage to his lungs. He needed a double lung transplant. He then developed pnuemonia and had to be put on a ventilator. He is still in the hospital. My daughter, her husband, and my granddaughter also had the covid, but thankfully they are ok. I feel that if I get the vaccine hopefully there won't be any serious side effects and then hopefully, I won't be able to spread the covid to anyone else. So maybe getting the vaccine not only helps the person getting it, but helps other people they come in contact with.
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Sincerely hope all will be well in your family @Sassycakes 🤗 🙏
 
Sassycakes said:
I hope the vaccine becomes available where I live soon. I have a nephew in Georgia who got the covid and it did damage to his lungs. He needed a double lung transplant. He then developed pnuemonia and had to be put on a ventilator. He is still in the hospital. My daughter, her husband, and my granddaughter also had the covid, but thankfully they are ok. I feel that if I get the vaccine hopefully there won't be any serious side effects and then hopefully, I won't be able to spread the covid to anyone else. So maybe getting the vaccine not only helps the person getting it, but helps other people they come in contact with.
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so sorry for so many loved ones being affected Sassy, hoping for the best for everyone 💕
 
Denise1952 said:
Knowing side-effects (what the OP is about) is most important to me when choosing to take a vaccine, or a drug so the topic was a good one for me. It was when we let it turn into a "I know better than you" is when it soured. Too bad we can't have a genuine discussion without the egos. I know, I'm a dreamer ;)
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Everyone is different, No one will have the same outcome or effect...
 
win231 said:
Uh, well, OK. Then it would also be fair to refuse medical treatment to anyone who took the vaccine & got sick from it.
Or who took the vaccine & got Covid, anyway, like that nurse.
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You can't get covid from the vaccine, if that's what you mean. There is no covid virus in the vaccine, live or dead. If you mean they got the first dose and still got covid, the first dose isn't enough. You need two. I don't think anybody, except those in t he trials, have gotten both shots yet.
 
win231 said:
Many people who try to convince others to get a vaccine are seeking confidence in their decision to get it - Confidence in numbers.
And if people who choose the vaccine had confidence in it, it wouldn't matter to them if others didn't choose to get it, since they would be protected.
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That’s not the only reason, you know. Some folks, those who aren’t completely self-focused, choose to get the vaccine not only to protect themselves, but to protect others around them. And in some cases, the protection of others is even more important to them than their own protection.

It sounds like you don’t know anyone like this. I do, so I know this is true. And extrapolating from the folks I DO know, it’s not an impossible leap to believe that there are others who feel similarly.
 
Ronni said:
That’s not the only reason, you know. Some folks, those who aren’t completely self-focused, choose to get the vaccine not only to protect themselves, but to protect others around them. And in some cases, the protection of others is even more important to them than their own protection.

It sounds like you don’t know anyone like this. I do, so I know this is true. And extrapolating from the folks I DO know, it’s not an impossible leap to believe that there are others who feel similarly.
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That sounds nice, warm & fuzzy and that mindset was used to sell flu shots as well. But it doesn't hold water because, if the vaccine worked, others around them wouldn't need protection, since they would already be protected by their own vaccine.
 
Ronni said:
That’s not the only reason, you know. Some folks, those who aren’t completely self-focused, choose to get the vaccine not only to protect themselves, but to protect others around them. And in some cases, the protection of others is even more important to them than their own protection.

It sounds like you don’t know anyone like this. I do, so I know this is true. And extrapolating from the folks I DO know, it’s not an impossible leap to believe that there are others who feel similarly.
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I have friends and relatives who cannot get vaccinated, period. Their immune systems have been compromised by cancer treatments or medications, transplant anti-rejection drugs, auto-immune diseases and more.

You're absolutely correct, @Ronni, there are many reasons to get vaccinated besides one's own protection.
 
win231 said:
That sounds nice, warm & fuzzy and that mindset was used to sell flu shots as well. But it doesn't hold water because, if the vaccine worked, others around them wouldn't need protection, since they would already be protected by their own vaccine.
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Win I know you're not a stupid man so I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to understand. The vaccine is to help YOU fight off the virus. It's not a friends and family shot. If I get it I'm protected. If I get it and you don't...you still are at risk. This isn't rocket science. Sometimes I think you post this stuff just to get a rise out of people. Hope you're having a good time. Trust me it's not really helping your cause.
 
MarciKS said:
Win I know you're not a stupid man so I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to understand. The vaccine is to help YOU fight off the virus. It's not a friends and family shot. If I get it I'm protected. If I get it and you don't...you still are at risk. This isn't rocket science. Sometimes I think you post this stuff just to get a rise out of people. Hope you're having a good time. Trust me it's not really helping your cause.
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1. You are obviously confused. My response had nothing to do with protecting me from the virus. My response to Ronni referred to HER statement about getting the vaccine to protect OTHERS from the virus. I suggest you re-read post #86. & (this time) pay attention to what you read.

2. If you feel the vaccine protects you, that's fine; get it. If I don't feel the vaccine protects me, or I don't think it's worth the risk, I won't get it. If you think that makes me "at risk," that's fine with me; I respect your opinion, unlike you, who obviously have trouble respecting anyone who disagrees with you.
And, if you "Get a Rise" out of my opinion, that's your problem. Get some help.
 
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So @win231 clearly you understand that if you get the vaccine, it protects you, and if I get the vaccine it protects me.

Why then are you unable or unwilling to extrapolate from that and agree that your choice to get the vaccine, should you make it, ALSO protects me, and my choice also protects you?
 
Another take on "Civic Duty."
It could be said that it is everyone's civic duty to have frequent chest x-rays & TB skin tests to look for TB. TB is contagious & airborne & it's everyone's civic duty to make sure they don't have it to protect others.
I don't consider unnecessary chest X-Rays or TB tests a good idea, either, so I don't get those. If that makes me "selfish" in the eyes of a fool, that's fine with me. Sticks & Stones...
 
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win231 said:
That sounds nice, warm & fuzzy and that mindset was used to sell flu shots as well. But it doesn't hold water because, if the vaccine worked, others around them wouldn't need protection, since they would already be protected by their own vaccine.
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Huh?

You know some great grandparents and grandparents actually get the whooping cough vaccine and the shingles vaccine so the children don’t get whopping cough or chicken pox’s from them. Imagine that people, protecting people. WOW, a process you are obviously unfamiliar with 😂
 
win231 said:
Another take on "Civic Duty."
It could be said that it is everyone's civic duty to have frequent chest x-rays & TB skin tests to look for TB. TB is contagious & airborne & it's everyone's civic duty to make sure they don't have it to protect others.
I don't consider unnecessary chest X-Rays or TB tests a good idea, either, so I don't get those. If that makes me "selfish" in the eyes of a fool, that's fine with me. Sticks & Stones...
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Food workers, hospital workers, and others are required to get TB tests. So @win231 let the rest of us protect those who are ME, ME, ME, people. Why not?, most of us have a social conscious and have been doing this for years.

“If that makes me “selfish” . . . . “That’s fine with me”. I agree with you, it makes you selfish.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Food workers, hospital workers, and others are required to get TB tests. So @win231 let the rest of us protect those who are ME, ME, ME, people. Why not?, most of us have a social conscious and have been doing this for years.

“If that makes me “selfish” . . . . “That’s fine with me”. I agree with you, it makes you selfish.
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Food workers required to get TB tests? I don't know where you live, but not here.
If you connect taking drugs, tests & vaccines with "having a social conscience," that's your mindset & if it makes you feel good about yourself or warm & fuzzy, that's fine. It's not mine. I prefer to think things through before making decisions that involve my health.
And anyone who thinks I'm a raging epidemic because I don't get TB tests or chest X-rays is free to stay away from me. Or stay home.
 
win231 said:
Food workers required to get TB tests? I don't know where you live, but not here.
If you connect taking drugs, tests & vaccines with "having a social conscience," that's your mindset & if it makes you feel good about yourself or warm & fuzzy, that's fine. It's not mine. I prefer to think things through before making decisions that involve my health.
And anyone who thinks I'm a raging epidemic because I don't get TB tests or chest X-rays is free to stay away from me. Or stay home.
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Check with the health department, you are wrong.
 
win231 said:
Another take on "Civic Duty."
It could be said that it is everyone's civic duty to have frequent chest x-rays & TB skin tests to look for TB. TB is contagious & airborne & it's everyone's civic duty to make sure they don't have it to protect others.
I don't consider unnecessary chest X-Rays or TB tests a good idea, either, so I don't get those. If that makes me "selfish" in the eyes of a fool, that's fine with me. Sticks & Stones...
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Interesting fact, well known by members of mental health professions, and all good debaters, lol: those who resort to calling others who disagree with them names, ie “a fool,” and replace cogent argument with snark and misdirection, are almost always more interested in spewing

anger and ridicule than anything else. As for suggesting that others should get help if they are affected by your comments, my, the disconnect is stunning. It is you who sneer at anyone who does not follow your belief system, no matter how politely they make their case. Would you like a reference re a good therapist? 😂
 

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