What would have happened if a U.S. pilot had been captured and burned alive?

Your point is well taken, but I think that journalists or aid workers do not evoke the same emotions as do the military...
 
I see 4,000 over 10 years plus some more to be quite reasonable compared to the WWII days when 4,000 was small per day in the European efforts. The efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan were really quite less than our WWII efforts and casualties. We quite too soon, before the people had a chance to learn about peace and have government they could trust. Some of this current mess could be our own desire to hit and run. We, as part of the shared efforts of many countries, should have stayed on and helped these folks to learn about a shared government and not just revert back to their religion led ways of life.
 
Hit and run? Hardly, over ten years and billions spent tryin to turn theses countries into some fantasy of an American state...
 
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But I might join the Hawks depending on what unfolds...
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Doesn't that statement apply to most of us? Do you think that because someone favors a more measured approach that they feel war is NEVER appropriate? Sometimes it is.. and there is no other solution. It's just that war seems to be the knee-jerk reaction to all events for some... particularly the GOP. Any sort of negotiation and diplomacy is seen as weak.. not macho... whatever.. Which of course is really funny coming from a bunch of draft dodgers and deferment seekers.
 
I joined the Air Force as the recruiter said that the Air Force consisted of technicians and lovers, not fighters. In my case he was half right...
 
Ralphy1 said:
Hit and run? Hardly, over ten years and billions spent tryin to turn theses countries into some fantasy of an American state...
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I don't think changing Iraq was to create a copy of the American fantasy whatever was what we did. Iraq was allowed to pick their style of government and did so over a year or so. Then it was up to the combination of forces gathered in Iraq to stay and help the people learn to use their government for governing and not for religious reasons, which it appears us what they did. I mentioned our after WWII experience and how well it worked out for Europe and the rest of the world. Something I thought we had going till our administration changed and we flat out pulled out and left the inexperienced in charge. Now we have a real mess over there.
 
BobF said:
I don't think changing Iraq was to create a copy of the American fantasy whatever was what we did. Iraq was allowed to pick their style of government and did so over a year or so. Then it was up to the combination of forces gathered in Iraq to stay and help the people learn to use their government for governing and not for religious reasons, which it appears us what they did. I mentioned our after WWII experience and how well it worked out for Europe and the rest of the world. Something I thought we had going till our administration changed and we flat out pulled out and left the inexperienced in charge. Now we have a real mess over there.
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So, you wanted even more injured, maimed and killed? When do hawks get enough blood and guts?
 
AZ Jim said:
So, you wanted even more injured, maimed and killed? When do hawks get enough blood and guts?
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Not at all Jim. It would not be as bad as it is today had we stayed and helped them get used to a real government in charge in place of some religion. Look to what is happening now as we work to arm the ones willing to fight the radicals that have developed in the past year or so. We have one hell of a mess going on over their now and are trying once again to get Iraq armed and trained to try to defend themselves and help others. So we stepped out, allowed crap to form, and now hope to get those once trained troops, retrained again, and back into the fight. Had we stayed a few years longer this may not ever have happened. It worked in Europe. And even with Russia being so obstinate and a problem, Europe has not had any big fights among themselves. Lets see, my son was sent into Kosovo I think, to help hold down some unrest a few years back. That I believe was under Clinton. One of the few good Presidents from the Democrat party.
 
BobF said:
Not at all Jim. It would not be as bad as it is today had we stayed and helped them get used to a real government in charge in place of some religion. Look to what is happening now as we work to arm the ones willing to fight the radicals that have developed in the past year or so. We have one hell of a mess going on over their now and are trying once again to get Iraq armed and trained to try to defend themselves and help others. So we stepped out, allowed crap to form, and now hope to get those once trained troops, retrained again, and back into the fight. Had we stayed a few years longer this may not ever have happened. It worked in Europe. And even with Russia being so obstinate and a problem, Europe has not had any big fights among themselves. Lets see, my son was sent into Kosovo I think, to help hold down some unrest a few years back. That I believe was under Clinton. One of the few good Presidents from the Democrat party.
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I'm sorry but most of that is pure bull. Just what is it that makes you and others think we are the worlds cops? Do you think even for a minute we we could replace their Religion as you say we should have done? Europeans are us. We think the same, fanatic muslims do not.
 
AZ Jim said:
I'm sorry but most of that is pure bull. Just what is it that makes you and others think we are the worlds cops? Do you think even for a minute we we could replace their Religion as you say we should have done? Europeans are us. We think the same, fanatic muslims do not.
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I believe that it is ours, and others, in a operation called the UN that asks for countries like the US to step in and try to quell these mixed up areas that love to have wars all the time. The US has gone into several places to help the UN get some stability in this world of ours. Nothing wrong with that at all. Sometimes I do agree, the UN was set up to be a beggar for help, rather than allow them to have their own army, they ask and many countries then help them. The way the UN has talked on a couple of issues is that his way is much better and the UN can not just jamb a lot of ideas on all. It is not all US wrong political party stuff as some think.
 
AZ Jim said:
I'm sorry but most of that is pure bull. Just what is it that makes you and others think we are the worlds cops? Do you think even for a minute we we could replace their Religion as you say we should have done? Europeans are us. We think the same, fanatic muslims do not.
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Ahhh.... so the plan is to keep fighting wars until we convert all of the nearly 2 BILLION Muslims to Western ways, and Western religions?
 
AZ Jim said:
I'm sorry but most of that is pure bull. Just what is it that makes you and others think we are the worlds cops? Do you think even for a minute we we could replace their Religion as you say we should have done? Europeans are us. We think the same, fanatic muslims do not.
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That's the way I see it too, and I always wonder why the US is really willing to try to change the government there, and risk the lives of our men and women in the process. I don't understand, it doesn't make sense. http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/18/iraq-deal-isis-sovereign-nation.html


"It is curious why any American feels this country has a duty to wade into other nation’s internal affairs; particularly with military might. The President and Republicans claim their goal is destroying ISIS to protect innocent Iraqis, but there is about as much chance of destroying ISIS as there is destroying the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Surely President Obama, if not warmongering Republicans, understands the idea of defeating, much less destroying, an insurgency or affecting a sovereign nation’s civil war is a futile fantasy. For dog’s sake America failed in Viet Nam, Russia failed after ten years in Afghanistan, America failed after 13 years in Afghanistan and counting, and yet after failing in Iraq, Republicans are clamoring to fail again.

ISIS will never be destroyed any more than any other extremist group or insurgency is ever destroyed. They may be dispersed, change their name, and hide out for a time, but an insurgency, like extremists devoted to terrorism is a mindset that is never defeated.

Neo-cons were quick to cite the recent killings of American journalists as proof ISIS poses a threat to America’s national security, but those journalists were not in America; they were in a war-zone in a foreign sovereign nation.

It is noteworthy there was absolutely no Republican outrage when American troops killed innocent foreign journalists in Iraq, or hundreds-of-thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians; likely because they regarded Iraq as part of America where targeting citizens is a standard Republican policy.

President Obama is right; Iraq can secure their own country’s future” and “fight for their own country” against ISIS.

It is true this country set in motion the rise of ISIS when America gave Iraqi and Iranian Shia Muslims free rein to expatriate Sunnis to Syria to destabilize that sovereign nation, but it is time for them to take responsibility for their own actions and reap the rewards of attempting to purge one Muslim sect from their midst.

It is also noteworthy, that despite the four-century goal of creating a purely Islamic caliphate in northern Iraq and Syria, there was no ISIS, insurgency, civil war, or Sunni-Shia unrest during Saddam’s administration. There was also no civil war in Syria where Christians and several Muslim sects lived in peace before Bush’s neo-cons decided Iraq was an American colony that needed regime change."
 
You are all ignoring what I have posted and continue to post pure nonsense. What happened to the UN, are we supposed to tell them to got to hell all the time? What happened to our defense of the US security in our original catch the killers of the New York, D.C., Pennsylvania, in Afghanistan. You all seem to be blind to actual events and just stick to useless comments that all we are doing is trying to end Muslims religion. What a bunch of ignorant comments.

We are not challenging the Muslims and we have many living in the US today. We have worked hard to find that killer in Afghanistan. When located he was dispatched by our military. It was a mistake to give Obama credit for that ending. He was just a bystander at the time, same as most of the rest of the US citizens were. Thank you to the military.

And that long and lying string of nonsense in the post below yours is full of socialist nonsense too. Why are all folks that don't preach what you folks like considered liars? They are not as you will say about what I just posed about your lies. Difference of opinions is allowed on this forum an of course in the US. Both my daughter and son had to serve in Iraq, My son was also serving in that skirmish near Yugoslavia. Both are volunteers in the military, after they finished their college days. So I have no idea what you folks are so confused about. The US has a good system going, more countries need to try some of our freedoms and get away from all this sitting on their butts and depending on the government to take care of them silliness that only make the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Look to the US today with Obama's ways. Our debt has jumped to over $18 trillion, about $8 trillion since he took over. Prior, under Clinton and Bush, the debt was actually going down and was somewhere in the $7.5 trillion level before the Pelosi and Reid took over Bush's last two years and ran it up to $10 trillion.

All this whining and complaining about the Republicans is useless. Until the Democrats and Republicans do decide to co operate and lead this country, the US will go the way of socialist Europe and keep falling backward and become useless as can be.
 
Last time I heard of Americans being rescued, it was by film-crew/actors & Canada rescuing them. I saw Argo, but I did at least read the Wiki on it that I think was good info.
 

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