What would have happened if a U.S. pilot had been captured and burned alive?

I think our propensity to put boots on the ground would be significantly reduced if we brought back the draft and started to send the sons and daughters of some of America's elite classes to fight our wars in the middle east.

I don't relish anyone having to uproot their lives to be involuntarily sent into a combat zone. The ones who need the experience are the politicians who set the wheels in motion to engage us in these wars.
 

Good you got it back on track Josiah, I would hate to see people forced to go fight, I'm against that. I don't like the boots on the ground thing but as the OP wound up his post, he said "In short, the country would demand a full response and that would include you...". Either I'm just stupid (I hear you folks agreeing, lol) but I don't think "boots on the ground" is to be taken literally. I read some about the saying. With all our high tech advancements, I think it's time, if we have to fight, to do it with computers, or maybe Gladiators, just two I mean.

And hey, maybe the two leaders could duke it out, I like the sound of that! Boy would we elect different presidents then!! LOL!!
 
I think our propensity to put boots on the ground would be significantly reduced if we brought back the draft and started to send the sons and daughters of some of America's elite classes to fight our wars in the middle east.

Absolutely! These Chicken Hawks have no skin in the game.. It's not their kids or grandkids enlisting.. And like I said.. with so much income inequality and college out of reach for so many, the Military seems like a good option. AND believe me... that's fine with these guys.. Less poor kids and minorities.
 

I think our propensity to put boots on the ground would be significantly reduced if we brought back the draft and started to send the sons and daughters of some of America's elite classes to fight our wars in the middle east.

That never worked very well. Those rich brats just hid in college as long as the parents could afford it. Even when they did enter military, like John Kerry did, he only got a short 6 month tour while the Army friends of mine got to stay there a year or more. One I remember said he had a total of two years and more than one tour to do so. Our voluntary enlisted army is far better than drafted. We have intelligent folks enlisting and putting their intelligence to work making our high tech tools and equipment work as they should. No need for rich cowards or drunken slobs in our new military.
 
I gave my son and daughter each one year of college to start them off. After that I helped when I could by giving each usable car and help when needed for auto services, repairs, new tires, etc. They both worked as they could and finally after about 5 years the daughter graduated, the son went active in the military. As a part timer college person he did eventually get enough hours to graduate. Both are still working but not at all in their college learning years efforts. I believe that my son is still somehow connected to the reserves, but not active. My daughter took her discharge after finishing her 8 years enlistment.

My daughter had a year of Chinese language school when she got out of basic and was in Texas taking some sort og advanced training when Iraq happened. So she was able to forget most of her Chinese and started to work in an Arabic nation. She was also somehow involved in some sort of secret service type of jobs. She kept up her secret stuff after getting out of service but now she is pretty much working on her own and operating out of her home by writing reports for money income. She seems to be doing fine with her home industry.

My son also had developed into one of the intelligence types of service. He spent many years in England, north of London, at an airbase. He likes England a lot. He also spent lots of months, maybe years, in Germany. His travels also took him into Yugoslavia, Spain, Italy, Japan, Poland, and other places I don't remember today. He said he hoped to get back to England again and visit some sights and maybe meet some of the people again. He had joined a rail road club and hopes to return their again too. I think both did well in their service days. Likely matured them both much more than sitting around in the US would have. Neither married, maybe the better for both of them. It seems like marriages don't do very well in the US anymore.

I'd be very proud Bob, they sound wonderful, but they also had you to guide them. I know what you mean about marriages, although I am fortunate to know some happy ones;) I think those that are truly happy follow the old ways, older. I wanted to join the service, and yes, I wanted to see the world, but I always liked protecting, or standing up for the underdog, so maybe so I would have been proud to serve. I can't help but think my life would have maybe, been better for it;)
 
I should have quoted from BobF's post to wit, " Neither married, maybe the better for both of them. It seems like marriages don't do very well in the US anymore." He was talking his kids in military. I guess you just missed it?


Yeah.... ain't that something? Wonder how that happened? lol!!
 
Marriage is NOT what it used to be, we now live in a world of "throw away relationships". I know this is off the OP, but Bob is right. Yes, there are some good marriages as I mentioned, I know many, but again, up until 100 years ago, people werent even getting divorces (and I'm not saying some shouldn't have been, just cause!).
 
Yes, it's very sad isn't it? I feel very sorry for the children in the marriage, it can seem like the end of the world to them.Divorce, like joining the services, should be very well thought about before going ahead.
 
Interesting as both had been dating in high school and college days, and even beyond. But I think once they got into the late 20's and into the 30's, they developed more sensible ideas and had out grown the wild hormones of their youth. In fact, my daughter was in her early 30's when she enlisted in the Army. By then my son had been active in the Navy for a few years too.

My daughter had finished college and was working for the government as a natural biologist. Only getting work in the summer months driving around in the Rocky Mountains, off highway, and recording what animals, birds, fish, bugs, she could observe and report on.
 
My brother and I had no children, um, that doesn't sound right. Allow me to start over, LOL! Neither of us got married and had children. Not married right away I mean. Well, I got married at 23 I think it was. Anyway, I think a lot of our younger folks have got a snoot full of divorce in their lives, every where they look. I know I worried about ever bringing children into this world, it seemed so awful growing up. I don't think marriage is for everyone, not these days, if ever. Back in the "dark" ages, that's what a woman was for, and a man was for the providing etc etc etc. Things have changed "amongst some" though. I love to see a happy family, I even feel I missed out sometimes, then I remember how much I have going for me. To each his own;)
 
A sadder site than children ending up in a home where there is a divorce is children living in a home where the parents are constantly at each others throats! It's better for all concerned to move on from the mistake! The old "stay together for the sake of the children" means children get a daily dose of the poison of that relationship. In short, if you can't fix it, end it.
 
A sadder site than children ending up in a home where there is a divorce is children living in a home where the parents are constantly at each others throats! It's better for all concerned to move on from the mistake! The old "stay together for the sake of the children" means children get a daily dose of the poison of that relationship. In short, if you can't fix it, end it.

Absolutely.
 
Absolutely.

It's partly because picking wrong I suppose, I mean a mate, and also because the rush into marriages. And it seems to me that folks always have an "escape" hatch because of all the bad news they hear about marriages crumbling. I don't know how many take those vows serious at all anymore. My grandparents sure did, and people like my friends here that are happily married did.

I don't think it is better to stay with someone when there is violence, yes, kids are better off outa there.
 
There are no perfect people. There are no perfect marriages either but marriages where the partners have thought beyond the immediate to the future might appear "perfect" to an outsider.
 


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