What would have happened if a U.S. pilot had been captured and burned alive?

WhatInThe said:
Might not have a captured/burnt pilot but there is now a dead female hostage. Aid worker confirmed dead.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-hostage-kayla-mueller-confirmed-dead-article-1.2109508

Sad and infuriating.

So what will happen?
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I don't know WIT, I lay awake a lot last night trying to figure out how you could rescue people without getting them and yourself killed:( I don't know how the police even manage to get a hostage away from someone here. It's infuriating yes, and horrible. Just like you read about in Medieval times:(
 

I remain undecided on whether I agree with our current strategy of bombing ISIS with the help of allies. My original opinion was that nothing we have ever done in the middle east has improved anything and I saw little likelihood that the current ISIS strategy would be any different. I guess I'm still leaning towards a non-involved position. I admit that ISIS has paid a heavy price for provoking us into bombing and we have succeeded in getting a very little bit of cooperation from a few of the Arab states, but I still remain skeptical that it will improve things in the long run.
 
I agree with you Josiah, there has never been peace, and sometimes I just feel we are throwing our people away. Yes, I get up in arms and hate what I see groups like ISIS doing, but even trying to stay out of it, I think someone would go out of their way to involve us anyway:(
 

The USA, a super power in the world, does sometimes have to help police the world. All thoughts of war should be well considered before being embarked on [of course] and no country wants to lose any military personnnel BUT these young men and women have joined up to serve and that is their role.My heart goes out to any parents of soldiers either in the US or here who lose their lives, but they [the soldiers] are doing what they wanted to when they joined the services.I don't like to see them being talked about as victims, and I'm sure they would hate the thought too.
Bob talked about the US helping in the UN in Kosovo a while back, yes all the UN countries were involved in that, and to our credit what we doing there was stopping the Christian Serbs slaughtering whole villages of Kosovan Muslims.Bob also says that Europe has not had any wars since WW2, and yes, that's a fact too thank goodness.Although we have all taken part in other wars since then [not in Europe].I'm being a tad rambling here, but what I want to say is that sometimes we [and the US] should get involved and not look the other way, but there are often ways to accomplish things without the 'boots on the ground' scenario, once diplomacy has failed, and that air strikes, in the case of ISIS have been very effective.
 
AZ Jim said:
OA, the signed up comment is not always true. The latest war in which we drafted hundreds of thousands was Vietnam.
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Not to mention... that with the economy, the jobs market and the cost of education, many feel it is their only recourse.. At least they can get some money from the GI Bill to go to college. That just might be part of the plan... keep college costs out of reach, keep wages low... and voila!!... a steady supply of cannon fodder for the next war that can make money for the wealthy.
 
Now someone is going backwards in time and all the way back to a Democrat government at that.

When did we change our draft rules to all enlisted. It has been for a number of years. When I was in the service, volunteer, the Korean draft was still going on for sure. One of the UN's first major efforts to try to control the situation.

Actually the US draft ended in January 1973. Right after the end of the Vietnam war. I don't think it has ever been used since.
 
oakapple said:
The USA, a super power in the world, does sometimes have to help police the world. All thoughts of war should be well considered before being embarked on [of course] and no country wants to lose any military personnnel BUT these young men and women have joined up to serve and that is their role.My heart goes out to any parents of soldiers either in the US or here who lose their lives, but they [the soldiers] are doing what they wanted to when they joined the services.I don't like to see them being talked about as victims, and I'm sure they would hate the thought too.
Bob talked about the US helping in the UN in Kosovo a while back, yes all the UN countries were involved in that, and to our credit what we doing there was stopping the Christian Serbs slaughtering whole villages of Kosovan Muslims.Bob also says that Europe has not had any wars since WW2, and yes, that's a fact too thank goodness.Although we have all taken part in other wars since then [not in Europe].I'm being a tad rambling here, but what I want to say is that sometimes we [and the US] should get involved and not look the other way, but there are often ways to accomplish things without the 'boots on the ground' scenario, once diplomacy has failed, and that air strikes, in the case of ISIS have been very effective.
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Well said OakApple, wow, what a lot of good points. I know my brothers wanted to serve and they've never regretted it that I know of. One brother went on the serve on the police force because he wanted to continue to serve and protect.

All you said was excellent imo! Thank you for that, denise
 
BobF said:
Now someone is going backwards in time and all the way back to a Democrat government at that.

When did we change our draft rules to all enlisted. It has been for a number of years. When I was in the service, volunteer, the Korean draft was still going on for sure. One of the UN's first major efforts to try to control the situation.

Actually the US draft ended in January 1973. Right after the end of the Vietnam war. I don't think it has ever been used since.
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I remember Bob, I so appreciate your input;) as well as your service to this country, thank you, a million times thank you, denise
 
AZ Jim said:
OA, the signed up comment is not always true. The latest war in which we drafted hundreds of thousands was Vietnam.
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I was talking about now AZ. Nobody has been conscripted to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan etc.I know somebody who's son [in the British Army] is in bomb disposal, and was in Afghanistan a few years ago. His Mother was rightly worried about him, but very proud of him also, and accepted that he may well die there [he didn't, but others in his unit did.]He loved the Army and was proud of the job he did.Some families of dead army personnel over here are very angry with our government, of course they are grieving because they have lost loved ones BUT you can't cherry pick the wars you are in once you join up. I don't honestly think that most soldiers here [and the US] think of themselves as victims, the way the media likes to portay them.
My husband used to be in the Royal Navy some years ago, and he had to think long and hard before he joined up, as it's no good joining up 'to see the world', you may have to kill people[granted that's more the army than the navy] but you never know.It may not be a popular comment for me to make, but that is what we pay our servicemen for.
 
nwlady said:
Well said OakApple, wow, what a lot of good points. I know my brothers wanted to serve and they've never regretted it that I know of. One brother went on the serve on the police force because he wanted to continue to serve and protect.

All you said was excellent imo! Thank you for that, denise
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Good for them [your brothers.]:)
 
If our enlistees were going in for the pay, they wouldn't. The pay is terrible. I too was an enlistee and I went in to get a school in electronics, I had made more money working in a gas station.
 
I don't know about other countries, but don't think the pay is all that bad here [in the services.]There are often trades to be learned as well, and certainly travel and having a social life.What I meant to say, was that nobody forces you to join up, it's a choice, but it's a choice you need to think long and hard about.
 
oakapple said:
I don't know about other countries, but don't think the pay is all that bad here [in the services.]There are often trades to be learned as well, and certainly travel and having a social life.What I meant to say, was that nobody forces you to join up, it's a choice, but it's a choice you need to think long and hard about.
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For many of our kids here... it's the only way they would be able to get a college education.. I know so many that enlisted just to get the GI bill after their service ended. Rich kids don't have to worry about that... daddy sends them... So I think as a whole, it's the poor and the lower to mid middle class that ends up doing the lions share of the fighting.
 
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Viet Nam: The pay was great
$100.00 combat pay
$100.00 pro pay.
I lived on ten bucks a month.
Uncle never learned to count:
One trip thru the Pea line and back to the Military Currency line was rewarding.
 
oakapple said:
I don't know about other countries, but don't think the pay is all that bad here [in the services.]There are often trades to be learned as well, and certainly travel and having a social life.What I meant to say, was that nobody forces you to join up, it's a choice, but it's a choice you need to think long and hard about.
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I don't know what the pay is either, but I hear a lot of "bad" input about it so I don't think it is good. I hear a lot about the problems our guys have when they get out too, with healthcare, jobs, etc. But like I said, I don't know the numbers, and my brothers have both been out of the service for years and into jobs here at home.
 
BobF said:
You are all ignoring what I have posted and continue to post pure nonsense. What happened to the UN, are we supposed to tell them to got to hell all the time? What happened to our defense of the US security in our original catch the killers of the New York, D.C., Pennsylvania, in Afghanistan. You all seem to be blind to actual events and just stick to useless comments that all we are doing is trying to end Muslims religion. What a bunch of ignorant comments.

We are not challenging the Muslims and we have many living in the US today. We have worked hard to find that killer in Afghanistan. When located he was dispatched by our military. It was a mistake to give Obama credit for that ending. He was just a bystander at the time, same as most of the rest of the US citizens were. Thank you to the military.

And that long and lying string of nonsense in the post below yours is full of socialist nonsense too. Why are all folks that don't preach what you folks like considered liars? They are not as you will say about what I just posed about your lies. Difference of opinions is allowed on this forum an of course in the US. Both my daughter and son had to serve in Iraq, My son was also serving in that skirmish near Yugoslavia. Both are volunteers in the military, after they finished their college days. So I have no idea what you folks are so confused about. The US has a good system going, more countries need to try some of our freedoms and get away from all this sitting on their butts and depending on the government to take care of them silliness that only make the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Look to the US today with Obama's ways. Our debt has jumped to over $18 trillion, about $8 trillion since he took over. Prior, under Clinton and Bush, the debt was actually going down and was somewhere in the $7.5 trillion level before the Pelosi and Reid took over Bush's last two years and ran it up to $10 trillion.

All this whining and complaining about the Republicans is useless. Until the Democrats and Republicans do decide to co operate and lead this country, the US will go the way of socialist Europe and keep falling backward and become useless as can be.
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I agree with you Bob, and well said. I've always believed people need a "leg up" not a hand-out, and there is too much of that in America. I am below poverty level, but I cannot go against my principals in fear I won't have enough to make it. I decided night before last, I'm not going to try to fit in everywhere by trying to see both sides. I do see both sides, and there are exceptions where a hand-out is needed (not even sure of that as I say it) but a leg-up, and a job is the real way to go). I am tired of the whining, including the whining I do, sickens me to look at the BIG picture, stop whining and get off our asses, INCLUDING ME!!
 
Who is the COMMANDER AND CHIEF.... of the military??? Bin Ladin is dead because President Obama gave THE ORDER.. To pretend otherwise is proof positive that one has Fox news plugged into their umbilicus... lol!!
 
QuickSilver said:
Who is the COMMANDER AND CHIEF.... of the military??? Bin Ladin is dead because President Obama gave THE ORDER.. To pretend otherwise is proof positive that one has Fox news plugged into their umbilicus... lol!!
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Bin Ladin? Oh! The guy Bush let get away when he was told where he was (Tota Bora) by intelligence (I shouldn't use that when discussing Bush). I guess he was too busy winking at the front row of a news conference.
 
AZ Jim said:
Bin Ladin? Oh! The guy Bush let get away when he was told where he was (Tota Bora) by intelligence (I shouldn't use that when discussing Bush). I guess he was too busy winking at the front row of a news conference.
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I have my theory on WHY Bush let Bin Ladin get away.. I believe he was more useful to the Bush/Cheney war mongering machine alive. So long as he would crawl out of his cave periodically, and make a threatening anti-American video... Bush felt he could keep public support for his war. Bush may not have been smart enough to realize this, but Cheney certainly was... and HE was running the show.
 
QuickSilver said:
I have my theory on WHY Bush let Bin Ladin get away.. I believe he was more useful to the Bush/Cheney war mongering machine alive. So long as he would crawl out of his cave periodically, and make a threatening anti-American video... Bush felt he could keep public support for his war. Bush may not have been smart enough to realize this, but Cheney certainly was... and HE was running the show.
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Well, Cheney had time while enjoying five deferments to dodge Vietnam to gain some insight into tricks like that!
 
I think our propensity to put boots on the ground would be significantly reduced if we brought back the draft and started to send the sons and daughters of some of America's elite classes to fight our wars in the middle east.
 
I gave my son and daughter each one year of college to start them off. After that I helped when I could by giving each usable car and help when needed for auto services, repairs, new tires, etc. They both worked as they could and finally after about 5 years the daughter graduated, the son went active in the military. As a part timer college person he did eventually get enough hours to graduate. Both are still working but not at all in their college learning years efforts. I believe that my son is still somehow connected to the reserves, but not active. My daughter took her discharge after finishing her 8 years enlistment.

My daughter had a year of Chinese language school when she got out of basic and was in Texas taking some sort og advanced training when Iraq happened. So she was able to forget most of her Chinese and started to work in an Arabic nation. She was also somehow involved in some sort of secret service type of jobs. She kept up her secret stuff after getting out of service but now she is pretty much working on her own and operating out of her home by writing reports for money income. She seems to be doing fine with her home industry.

My son also had developed into one of the intelligence types of service. He spent many years in England, north of London, at an airbase. He likes England a lot. He also spent lots of months, maybe years, in Germany. His travels also took him into Yugoslavia, Spain, Italy, Japan, Poland, and other places I don't remember today. He said he hoped to get back to England again and visit some sights and maybe meet some of the people again. He had joined a rail road club and hopes to return their again too. I think both did well in their service days. Likely matured them both much more than sitting around in the US would have. Neither married, maybe the better for both of them. It seems like marriages don't do very well in the US anymore.
 

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