What would you do ? (open-carry rifle in Utah mall)

Guess what!!! The NRA is not allowing loaded guns that their convention in Tennessee!! AND the pin must be pulled... It wouldn't be safe after all.. lol!!! oh the Irony!!

Are those the facts here...really? http://www.examiner.com/article/press-social-media-blows-it-reporting-on-nra-working-gun-ban


"The New York Daily News and least one on-line writer appear to have revealed their ignorance yesterday about how big trade shows display firearms where thousands of people with varying skill levels will be handling them when the National Rifle Association meets in Nashville starting Friday.

The Daily News reported that “The NRA has banned working guns from its annual convention this year in Nashville, Tenn., according to a report in The Tennessean.

Instead the group will require the thousands of firearms displayed at the event to be nonoperational, with their firing pins removed to ensure safety.” That's not the NRA's doing, actually, and at least the blogger noted above has added additional information to his column.

Those familiar with how gun companies display firearms, join together in a big “Well, DUH!” The NRA really didn’t “ban” anything.

Instead, the association’s exhibits are following a tradition that applies equally to the much larger Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show, and has been the norm at NRA conventions for as long as anyone can remember.

Display firearms are always disabled, and the gun companies do this.

As the quote above noted, firing pins are removed from these guns, whether a semi-auto shotgun, bolt-action rifle, pistols from Glock, Smith & Wesson, Kimber or Colt, and even reproduction single-action sixguns from various manufacturers.

But this appears to be a clever media attempt to bash the NRA as some sort of hypocritical group that, the Daily News asserted, “wants guns at schools, but not its own annual convention.”

Instead, as Nashville Public Radio reported, the NRA is reminding its members that, “When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws.” Legally-carried firearms “are in the clear inside the Music City Center,” the radio report noted. However, across the street, at Bridgestone Arena, firearms are not allowed. The arena will be hosting “big nightly concerts,” the story says.

Bob Owens, over at Bearing Arms.com put it bluntly this morning, “There’s an old saying that, ‘A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.’

Presently, there is a bit of fiction sweeping through the media and left wing blogs pointing out supposed hypocrisy by the National Rifle Association.”

“It would be stunning hypocrisy,” Owens writes, “if the NRA was banning working guns, but it simply isn’t true…”

And he twists the knife even harder with this gem:

“The (NRA) holds an annual meeting every year in a different host city, and requires that attendees follow the federal, state and local laws applicable in that city, like every major convention of every significant national group, ever.”

In Phoenix a couple of years back, the annual NRA gathering looked like an armed camp. And yet every display firearm in the exhibit hall was incapable of being fired. Those guns couldn’t even shoot blanks, and neither, it appears, can the New York Daily News."
 

You didn't answer the question bob.... no hypocrisy in keeping the NRA convention gun free so to speak?

I did not think I missed anything but for your insisting. The NRA is aware of the number of non NRA folks running loose in this country that have no problems with bringing in guns, loaded and ready to fire, so they do the obvious thing, and ban weapons that may fire randomly or on purpose. That is not hypocrisy at all, just awareness and prevention measures.
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And thank you SeeBreeze for you post above. It is more specific than my response and there fore much better.
 
To be fair.... I understand that the part of the convention where ALL the Republican Presidential hopefuls will be speaking, will allow anyone to conceal and carry any sort of weapon they choose. So that auditorium will be chock full of fire power...... and ALL the Republican Presidential hopefuls.. standing up in front....... speaking.... Let's hope no one decides to adjust the outcome of the upcoming race.. lol!!!
 

To be fair.... I understand that the part of the convention where ALL the Republican Presidential hopefuls will be speaking, will allow anyone to conceal and carry any sort of weapon they choose. So that auditorium will be chock full of fire power...... and ALL the Republican Presidential hopefuls.. standing up in front....... speaking.... Let's hope no one decides to adjust the outcome of the upcoming race.. lol!!!

Really a somewhat distorted post full of imagination for sure. If you are talking about the coming NRA convention, it is only a few days away like tomorrow and thru the 15th of April.

There are only 2 Republican candidates committed so far. Likely there will be no weapons allowed if they are there or not. Best do some reading and less of these twisted posts. Read the post above mine and you won't have much to fuss about.
 
Really a somewhat distorted post full of imagination for sure. If you are talking about the coming NRA convention, it is only a few days away like tomorrow and thru the 15th of April.

There are only 2 Republican candidates committed so far. Likely there will be no weapons allowed if they are there or not. Best do some reading and less of these twisted posts. Read the post above mine and you won't have much to fuss about.

Not sure why you insist on being so downright nasty Bob... But I guess that's just your personality. Also.. I would think you would know better by now..because you know I'm going to prove you wrong. each and every time.

Only two announced Bobby.... but lots of "Hopefuls" and they will all be there, except Chris Christie and Rand Paul.. who were not invited.


Christie is one of only two big GOP names missing from the NRA's lineup, according to a report from The Tennessean. Christie, who was given a "C" rating by the NRA when he ran for re-election in 2013, was not invited.

We have a lengthy program and we have the longest list of potential presidential candidates to speak at the Leadership Forum this go-around, and we just could not accommodate everyone," Jennifer Baker, director of public affairs for the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, told the newspaper.
U.S. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky), who announced his bid for the presidency on Tuesday, is the other GOP official who was not invited.

According to the report, Republicans slated to speak at the convention include U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Dr. Ben Carson, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, billionaire Donald Trump and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
Christie has a somewhat rocky history with the NRA.


http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/04/no_nra_invitation_for_christie_to_speak_at_gun_gro.html
 
http://www.nraam.org/

During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms. When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws.

So., no guns at the actual exhibits... BUT guns welcome at the Music City center.. where the candidates will be speaking... Let's hope everyone stays on their meds.
 
Fair enough Phil.... But at least then we should regulate guns as stringently as we do air travel.. Strict rules for ownership like stringent licensing and proof ability to handle the weapon... Like a pilot needs.. Let's make sure that all gun owners carry a whopping big liability insurance policy to protect any one who is injured or killed by their gun.. Like airlines carry. Lets make sure that the location of ALL guns is known at all times.. Like planes in the sky.. Sound ok to you? I mean if you want to make a comparison like that lets go for it.

Gun ownership - LEGAL gun ownership - already has strict rules. Would I be in agreement with having to carry insurance? Perhaps - it depends upon how it's set up.

The location of guns? What, stick an electronic tracer in them? If it's economically and technically feasible, I suppose so. Of course, you have to remember that sometimes they never recover the black boxes from airliners ...

But what I REALLY would want to be assured of is that the bad guys ALSO get registered and insured and trained and located ... give me a way to do that, show how they can be made to be equal to the law-abiding owners, and then I'll totally agree with you. Until then - no, sorry.
 
Gun ownership - LEGAL gun ownership - already has strict rules. Would I be in agreement with having to carry insurance? Perhaps - it depends upon how it's set up.

The location of guns? What, stick an electronic tracer in them? If it's economically and technically feasible, I suppose so. Of course, you have to remember that sometimes they never recover the black boxes from airliners ...

But what I REALLY would want to be assured of is that the bad guys ALSO get registered and insured and trained and located ... give me a way to do that, show how they can be made to be equal to the law-abiding owners, and then I'll totally agree with you. Until then - no, sorry.

We have laws against murder... but still people are murdered. We have laws against theft.. but people still steal. we have laws against rape.. but rape still happens.. Do you believe it's the "law-abiding" citizens that are doing these things? Or is it the criminals? BY your logic, there shouldn't be any laws, because a certain factor is going to disobey them anyway.. It makes no sense... but is an effective Red Herring anytime gun control is discussed.
 
We have laws against murder... but still people are murdered. We have laws against theft.. but people still steal. we have laws against rape.. but rape still happens.. Do you believe it's the "law-abiding" citizens that are doing these things? Or is it the criminals? BY your logic, there shouldn't be any laws, because a certain factor is going to disobey them anyway.. It makes no sense... but is an effective Red Herring anytime gun control is discussed.

To me it is you that intends to mislead folks with plenty of distortions and political nonsense. I asked you to read the following and it talks about the NRA shows. To me it tells about disabled guns at the show. Sounds good to me. But certainly does not fill your power grabbing attitude about every thing. You are so often wrong and when I say so you say I am mean. Look into the mirror and see who is mean on this thread/forum. I surrender, you are the champ. A good example is your post above. It makes no sense at all.

Keep on babbling oh greatest poster of the world, in your mind. But read what is below.
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Guess what!!! The NRA is not allowing loaded guns that their convention in Tennessee!! AND the pin must be pulled... It wouldn't be safe after all.. lol!!! oh the Irony!!



Are those the facts here...really? http://www.examiner.com/article/pres...orking-gun-ban


"The New York Daily News and least one on-line writer appear to have revealed their ignorance yesterday about how big trade shows display firearms where thousands of people with varying skill levels will be handling them when the National Rifle Association meets in Nashville starting Friday.

The Daily News reported that “The NRA has banned working guns from its annual convention this year in Nashville, Tenn., according to a report in The Tennessean.

Instead the group will require the thousands of firearms displayed at the event to be nonoperational, with their firing pins removed to ensure safety.” That's not the NRA's doing, actually, and at least the blogger noted above has added additional information to his column.

Those familiar with how gun companies display firearms, join together in a big “Well, DUH!” The NRA really didn’t “ban” anything.

Instead, the association’s exhibits are following a tradition that applies equally to the much larger Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show, and has been the norm at NRA conventions for as long as anyone can remember.

Display firearms are always disabled, and the gun companies do this.

As the quote above noted, firing pins are removed from these guns, whether a semi-auto shotgun, bolt-action rifle, pistols from Glock, Smith & Wesson, Kimber or Colt, and even reproduction single-action sixguns from various manufacturers.

But this appears to be a clever media attempt to bash the NRA as some sort of hypocritical group that, the Daily News asserted, “wants guns at schools, but not its own annual convention.”

Instead, as Nashville Public Radio reported, the NRA is reminding its members that, “When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws.” Legally-carried firearms “are in the clear inside the Music City Center,” the radio report noted. However, across the street, at Bridgestone Arena, firearms are not allowed. The arena will be hosting “big nightly concerts,” the story says.

Bob Owens, over at Bearing Arms.com put it bluntly this morning, “There’s an old saying that, ‘A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.’

Presently, there is a bit of fiction sweeping through the media and left wing blogs pointing out supposed hypocrisy by the National Rifle Association.”

“It would be stunning hypocrisy,” Owens writes, “if the NRA was banning working guns, but it simply isn’t true…”

And he twists the knife even harder with this gem:

“The (NRA) holds an annual meeting every year in a different host city, and requires that attendees follow the federal, state and local laws applicable in that city, like every major convention of every significant national group, ever.”

In Phoenix a couple of years back, the annual NRA gathering looked like an armed camp. And yet every display firearm in the exhibit hall was incapable of being fired. Those guns couldn’t even shoot blanks, and neither, it appears, can the New York Daily News."
 
It would help this forum if you did take a vacation. A number of folks have told me they no longer post here because of types like you that think they know everything and everyone else that thinks different are bad. It just is not true. You know no more than others and other just have different readings and feelings from inputs. You hate me? It does not really matter as I have as much right as you for posting on this forum.
 
What did I miss while I was not having fun at the wake? Are we fighting again? Man, Nobody hates anyone, we just often don't like each other's opinions. I live in a country that is anti-gun, anti-death penalty, but I don't hate people who feel differently. I do think they are wrong, but that is my prerogative. I am certain they feel the same about me.what is the problem with robust debate? It sharpens us all.
 
Same here Shalimar, and it escapes me how so many Americans can look at the statistics and compare them with the same stats from other countries and yet not see that they have a major problem. Arguments about individual rights are so esoteric in the face of so many deaths.

But I don't hate anyone. I do hate seeing children gunned down though whether it is happening in the US or in Somalia.
 
Same here Shalimar, and it escapes me how so many Americans can look at the statistics and compare them with the same stats from other countries and yet not see that they have a major problem. Arguments about individual rights are so esoteric in the face of so many deaths.

But I don't hate anyone. I do hate seeing children gunned down though whether it is happening in the US or in Somalia.

An item you have missed Warrigal is that most of those gun problems are from criminal acts, drugs, crime fights, etc. Most of the registered owners are not causing problems for the society at all. Until our police folks are allowed to attack the problem straight out the bad guys will just continue to act out of line. There should be no need to punish the legitimate owners for the bad guys ways of living.
 
I guess I don't worry about that and wonder why folks from Australia worry about our gun situation.
Because the NRA, acting as agents for the arms and ammunition industry, are actively promoting gun ownership for the sake of gun ownership over here. This has never been part of our culture in any big way and most of us don't want it to go down that track.

Personally, and I've said this before, I cannot understand why nothing happens to impose sensible nationwide regulation on the sort of weapons that civilians can own, even after multiple massacres. After 9/11 America went to war and has been at war ever since. After Sandy Hook ? Not very much at all.
 
Because the NRA, acting as agents for the arms and ammunition industry, are actively promoting gun ownership for the sake of gun ownership over here. This has never been part of our culture in any big way and most of us don't want it to go down that track.

Personally, and I've said this before, I cannot understand why nothing happens to impose sensible nationwide regulation on the sort of weapons that civilians can own, even after multiple massacres. After 9/11 America went to war and has been at war ever since. After Sandy Hook ? Not very much at all.

Well of course they are.. They are looking to expand sales and increase profits for the gun and Ammo industries that fills their coffers.. Australia is seen as an untapped market..
 
Well of course they are.. They are looking to expand sales and increase profits for the gun and Ammo industries that fills their coffers.. Australia is seen as an untapped market..

They're going to be sadly disappointed........I don't know one person here who would want a gun. We learnt our lesson after the Port Arthur Massacre. I am no fan of ex PM John Howard but I do thank him for his strong stance on the Gun Buy Back campaign.
 
Me too, Mitchezz. I even resolved to vote for him at the next election, but then came Tampa and I reneged.

Actually, I don't know one person who actually owns a gun.
However do we sleep soundly in our beds?
 
They're going to be sadly disappointed........I don't know one person here who would want a gun. We learnt our lesson after the Port Arthur Massacre. I am no fan of ex PM John Howard but I do thank him for his strong stance on the Gun Buy Back campaign.

Well, they will keep on trying... after all... just about every man, woman and child here in the States owns 14 guns... and a few bazookas.. (kidding)... How else are they going to satisfy their puppetmaster with more sales? We are pretty much saturated here..
 
An item you have missed Warrigal is that most of those gun problems are from criminal acts, drugs, crime fights, etc. Most of the registered owners are not causing problems for the society at all.

That's very true Bob, most gun problems are from criminals, gangs and lately some mentally disturbed people who are under the influence of prescription medications for depression or anxiety, which have side effects of both homicide and suicide, as in the mass shootings. The typical law abiding gun owner in the United States is not the problem in this society.
 
Because the NRA, acting as agents for the arms and ammunition industry, are actively promoting gun ownership for the sake of gun ownership over here. This has never been part of our culture in any big way and most of us don't want it to go down that track.

Personally, and I've said this before, I cannot understand why nothing happens to impose sensible nationwide regulation on the sort of weapons that civilians can own, even after multiple massacres. After 9/11 America went to war and has been at war ever since. After Sandy Hook ? Not very much at all.

Surprised to hear this Warrigal. What happened to the Australian gun collecting drives they had some time back? Would the Australian government actually allow an American gun group run things down there? And contrary to a couple comments I have seen on this thread, I don't know how NRA gets any money from Australia. Have they been chartered to operate in Australia?
 


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