What's With All This Sexual Harassment Stuff Going On?

I didn't realize the feds went that far, but they were probably seeing or had seen enough cases to nip it in the bud.

I've always figured best practice was not to troll for sex among one's co-workers.
 

Re sexual harrassment.

I am organizing a boycott in town.

I want all males to boycott strip tease joints, fashion shows, and anything where women tease men by displaying their wares for money.

Teach them a lesson. You can't tease men and then claim sexual harassment and exploitation. It's the other way around.

I know I am a controversial s.o.b. so don't tell me about it.
 
While the camper comment may not be PC, it has merit. While I do not condone the Hollywood moguls taking advantage of their positions to get sex, we cannot forget that women have been known to use the "casting couch" to get what they want. The same can be seen in the workplace.
 
ray188 said:
While the camper comment may not be PC, it has merit. While I do not condone the Hollywood moguls taking advantage of their positions to get sex, we cannot forget that women have been known to use the "casting couch" to get what they want. The same can be seen in the workplace.
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Maybe I am missing something here but isn't that the crux of the issue ? A woman shouldn't have to make such a choice to advance her career. I have never been put in that situation so I don't think I have the right to judge a woman who makes the decision to do what it takes to advance in her field. If she "consents" to the casting couch it is still sexual harassment in my eyes. The harassment isn't based on a choice made but the fact that there was a choice to be made in the first place.
 
Camper, your statement about using feminine wiles to get something from a man is a bit too broad to allow a judgement call.

If she wants all of his money, and he gives it to her, that is most probably wrong.
If she just wants a compliment then it is trivial and not worth a comment.
In between? Depends on the circumstances.
Remember that he is still a free agent and can refuse. Many do.
Others sense that they can negotiate i.e. trade and the result may be mutually satisfactory.

I find it hard to equate the fluttering of eyelashes or the use of inviting body language in any way equivalent to leering, groping or forcing a young woman to perform a sex act against her will.
 
OTOH, Minnesota Public Radio immediately fired Garrison Keillor and have banished him to the land of disgrace, after a 40-year career on that network, and being probably their most beloved performer. One woman made a complaint about him inappropriately putting his hand on her bare back. He apologized, and there have been no other complaints about him, at least not on this subject. Wasn't this just a wee bit over the top? They treated his offense more like rape than inappropriate touching. (Unless there is more to the story than that; he might have a long history as a womanizer, which has been kept under wraps because he was such a popular performer?)
 
Sunny said:
OTOH, Minnesota Public Radio immediately fired Garrison Keillor and have banished him to the land of disgrace, after a 40-year career on that network, and being probably their most beloved performer. One woman made a complaint about him inappropriately putting his hand on her bare back. He apologized, and there have been no other complaints about him, at least not on this subject. Wasn't this just a wee bit over the top? They treated his offense more like rape than inappropriate touching. (Unless there is more to the story than that; he might have a long history as a womanizer, which has been kept under wraps because he was such a popular performer?)
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I agree - over the top. That is the PC world we live in. As I heard the story he was consoling here (I don't have the details). Bottom line - he didn't bare her back, she did. There are pictures of Obama hugging Bowe Bergdahl's mother. Is he guilty of "inappropriate touching"?
 
MarkinPhx said:
Maybe I am missing something here but isn't that the crux of the issue ? A woman shouldn't have to make such a choice to advance her career. I have never been put in that situation so I don't think I have the right to judge a woman who makes the decision to do what it takes to advance in her field. If she "consents" to the casting couch it is still sexual harassment in my eyes. The harassment isn't based on a choice made but the fact that there was a choice to be made in the first place.
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O.K. she shouldn't have to but if she opts to....???? It does give the good looking woman an advantage over one less so and that too could be considered unfair. But, life ain't fair and there is no way to make it so.

I recall once being at a meeting in Dallas involving men and women. As the meeting was breaking up, I said, "Hey Guys (to the locals) where are we going two-stepping tonight?". Two of the women who had come from DC in our group opined agreement. The locals were shocked. Apparently they had recently gotten their seminar. Bottom line, several of us went, had a great time, and no one has yet complained.

Maybe I better never run for office - who knows what could be claimed.
 
Sunny said:
OTOH, Minnesota Public Radio immediately fired Garrison Keillor and have banished him to the land of disgrace, after a 40-year career on that network, and being probably their most beloved performer. One woman made a complaint about him inappropriately putting his hand on her bare back. He apologized, and there have been no other complaints about him, at least not on this subject. Wasn't this just a wee bit over the top? They treated his offense more like rape than inappropriate touching. (Unless there is more to the story than that; he might have a long history as a womanizer, which has been kept under wraps because he was such a popular performer?)
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Garrison Keillor was a notorious groper, a fact that was well known among women who worked with him. I figure if a little old lady in Albuquerque knew about the problems with Keillor's hands, it was known throughout his industry.
 
Smiling Jane said:
Garrison Keillor was a notorious groper, a fact that was well known among women who worked with him. I figure if a little old lady in Albuquerque knew about the problems with Keillor's hands, it was known throughout his industry.
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Of course he wasn't fired for putting his hand on a woman's bare back. Use your common sense everybody.
Where was that unlikely version of events published?
 
Just finished reading through this thread (slow snowy afternoon). What an EYEOPENER! I appreciate all the intelligent female commentaries on the subject. I am disappointed there aren't more men posting that understand women. I know they exist and am thankful to have them in my life. After a 35 year career in a mostly male dominated field I have had my fill of jerks.

Could women in business dress more conservative? Possibly. Should it make ANY difference in how they are treated as a woman. No.

To the one with the quote below I call BS. You have no clue how this works. Most of these guys are sexual bullies. Workplaces don't do much with bullies (sexual or not). HR is not there for the people, it is there to protect the company. Most women know that bringing charges of any kind will cost them their job at a minimum and possibly career. This stance does not take feelings into account at all. With Bill Cosby, women came forward and were laughed at because of his 'stellar' reputation. Same goes for Jerry Sandusky, but his attacks were not on women.

Folks with claims and justification seem to be OK while it seems many are just fence sitters trying to make an issue with no justifications.

These charges need to be brought up in court if really wanting changes made.​
How long did it take those attacked by priests to come forward? Not being believed at best, ridiculed or losing everything due to 'coming out' is terrifying. Women in high profile cases are risking a great deal and lying is rare.

I think most decent men understand the boundaries and where they are crossed. It should not take 6-12-30 or 60 women to be attacked in some way for society to deal with the problem.

To the poster of the quote above.. how many courts would charge a case of unwanted kiss forced on a woman, a case of lewd jokes and pictures being shared in the attempt to intimidate, a case of a person that keeps talking about sexual dreams they have about you, or for that matter any case that doesn't have hard and fast evidence to convict of a crime? Law enforcement and the courts do nothing. It is very difficult to even get a rape conviction these days.
And lastly, the number of cases coming forward are causing a lot of good to happen. People are talking! We are finding out how women are silenced with payouts, while the abuser continues to abuse other women (without any warning about the behavior). This has to stop.

Another question I have heard is Why now? Obviously the election split the question wide open and opened a lot of wounds. The more victims hear men in power deny MULTIPLE accusers, especially if they are victims of the same abuser, they are getting angry. They are speaking up about their experiences. I have talked about events with people that haven't been discussed in over 30 years.

I think we have only hit the tip of the iceberg. The more that come out, the more victims that will have buried feelings resurface and want justice of some sort. Calling them all liars without any type of investigation makes you a part of the problem. "There are two sides!"

 
Just finished reading through this thread (slow snowy afternoon). What an EYEOPENER! I appreciate all the intelligent female commentaries on the subject. I am disappointed there aren't more men posting that understand women. I know they exist and am thankful to have them in my life. After a 35 year career in a mostly male dominated field I have had my fill of jerks.

There aren't more men posting that understand women because there simply isn't any.:dunno:

For instance Garrison Kieler was a known groper.

So? You all knew that and you put up with it?

That's what I don't understand. You knew it but did nothing about it until now.? WHY? WHY? WHY?

Here's the way I look at it. Call me on it.

You put up with it and then wait until your career is furthered and complain about it now?

Forgive me but that's almost like prostitution in another form.

I'm going to be raked over the coals for this but I don't care. That's the the way I feel about all these revelations now instead of then.

Faked outrage.
 

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