What's With All This Sexual Harassment Stuff Going On?

I also want to reiterate that I am not ignoring what others think or believe. I am just expressing my own opinion, from my perspective, which is affected by my personality.

All this stuff going on got me really riled awhile back. That Rose McGowan woman drove me nuts over on twitter. She, with an avie of herself and pics she posts of her as some wonder woman warrior out to get justice and calling her battle ROSEARMY when this all started in Hollyweird. She took hush money but didn't bother to tell her recruits. I enlightened them. Her army fell apart. Then she was all in the news about having a warrant for drug possession. So much for her ridiculous RoseArmy. Pfffffffffffft.

Now I take it all with a grain of salt.
 

SPEAKING OF....did you folks know Wonder Woman was created by a perv? Look it up. He was into bondage sex. He wanted his bondage lover to join the family, and his wife said why not and they all lived happily ever after. One wife had 2 kids, the other 3 kids. And Wonder Woman was in the comics being tied up with a ball or stick in her mouth..A LOT. Bondage. Sex. Spread it to the kiddies!

Meh.
 
I agree that men are not good at reading female body language. All too often they miss cues that signal a negative reaction and take silence as consent or a smile as encouragement. Never having been socialised the way little girls have been, they misread women, even after years of living with one.

Women, on the other hand can read women very well. We recognise hidden emotion because we have all been there. Trust me.

I'll look for the photo again but I did enlarge it myself. That is when I picked up the tension in her leg. In that position myself I would have been rigid as a board.

She slipped her shoe off. That's what people do when they are relaxed. Some tension.
 

I think the exuberant sailor kissing a nurse in the euphoria of the declaration pf peace is a total red herring. He might just as likely have grabbed an old lady and swung her off the ground in a circle. Neither act would be held against him at that moment but a week later he might have been arrested for doing the same thing.

The sailor and the dancing man in this footage are expressing the same relief and joy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij9LkYCSujg

If I was her husband and that was my wife, I would have kicked him in the family jewels celebration or no celebration.
 
I sincerely hope you are not suggesting to a psychologist who has worked as a profiler in the past, that her science is gobbledegook science? As for your opinion re the inability of men to read tells, I beg to differ. The profiler who trained me was male.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I am saying it. It's gobbledegook science, something like taking horoscopes seriously.

I don't need a psychologist to tell me what a snarling dog is thinking of.
 
This is the claim. From Warrigal.

The smile is for the camera. The eyes tell a different story. They are not smiling. They indicate embarrassment.
Also, look at the tension in her right leg. She is trying not to sit her full weight on him.
My guess she couldn't wait to get off him.

:yeahright:
 
What do I make of the older woman's expression?

How's this." I wish those two would quit fooling around and let me finish what I was working on"

And as far as your claim of her eyes? Puhleese. I enlarged it. There's nothing there that I can see what you are claiming.

And as far as claiming she is being forced or harassed? If you can see that, you're a better man than I am Gunga Din.

That's odd. The older woman's face was not blurred in the original, nor was it when I posted it. The young woman's right foot is chooped off too but not is the original. I give up.
 
I am not going to debate Warrigal for what she sees. I am just saying I myself don't see that at all. She doesn't look rigid or upset, nor anxious. TO ME, anyway.
 
I feel really old. I was surprised that someone..can't remember who...in this thread, didn't immediately connect the description of a post of a man in navy uniform kissing a woman nurse. Popped right into my head, it did. Yes. I am OLD. :p
 

Men should never force themselves physically on women. Men should never touch or mention a womans personal parts unless they are in a relationship. Men should never show their personal parts to a woman unless hes in a relationship or a hospital or doctor's office. Women should never sell their bodies to advance their careers. Woman should never dress and speak in a sexually provocative way to tease a man and only expect the one shes flirting with to react. Women can wear what they want but should not be teases and use sexual innuendos unless she wants sex. When women get raped or groped by an authority figure or workmate they should report it when it happens not decades later.There are a lot of good men and women on earth but the problems continue if the above examples continue. The woman on the lap in the picture doesn't look uncomfortable to me her smile is sincere and she is slipping off her shoe in the earlier picture. The blur faced woman in the chair looks like she want to tell them to get a room. The prince and his fiancé look like a giddy happy couple, they are far away from the press across the pool so saying Harry is trying to protect her from them or somebody like her is camera shy is hard to believe
 
Just responding with a few thoughts in blue


Men should never force themselves physically on women.
Agreed, not even within marriage. The Pauline teaching that man has headship over his wife has caused a lot of trouble over the centuries. Women must have absolute right to be in charge of their own bodies.

Men should never touch or mention a womans personal parts unless they are in a relationship. Men should never show their personal parts to a woman unless hes in a relationship or a hospital or doctor's office.
Reference to the size of a woman's breasts or butt are not compliments, nor jokes. They are demeaning and humiliating.

Women should never sell their bodies to advance their careers.
Nor should they be backed into a corner where the only exit is come across or lose your job.
Think about it, in Nazi occupied Europe the choice offered to many young women was sexual favours for the officer/soldiers or starvation for self and family. Compliance should never be confused with consent when the power difference is large.


Woman should never dress and speak in a sexually provocative way to tease a man and only expect the one shes flirting with to react. Women can wear what they want but should not be teases and use sexual innuendos unless she wants sex.
Most girls are taught these things. We also need boys to be taught that if a woman is vulnerable i.e. drunk or alone that does not mean she is there for the taking.

When women get raped or groped by an authority figure or workmate they should report it when it happens not decades later.
They should but shame and humiliation can cause a delay in reporting and vital evidence is lost if for example she goes home and takes a shower first. My intellectually challenged GD did this and by the time her mother took her to the police there was little evidence to go on. Added to that she had been drugged by the couple who invited her to their home and she had no memory of the attack.

Sexual harassment in the work place is something else. The ones on the receiving end need to be proactive and diarise. They need to record the incidences with date and time, the people to whom they reported and what support they did or didn't receive. Anything less than this and they probably needn't bother making a complaint. The cards are stacked against them if the perp is someone that management wants to keep because they are making money for the firm. If it ends up in court, the victim will be revictimised unless they have compelling evidence to present.

There are a lot of good men and women on earth but the problems continue if the above examples continue. The woman on the lap in the picture doesn't look uncomfortable to me her smile is sincere and she is slipping off her shoe in the earlier picture. T
I don't see it as slipping off her shoe. I think her left foot is off the floor and with her right foot, actually her toe, she is tying to support her weight a little. The shoe is slipping off because of the arching of the foot. I don't think she wants to settle into him as if he is a comfy armchair.

The blur faced woman in the chair looks like she want to tell them to get a room.
Yes. Someone else stated that she just wants to get on with her work. Her unblurred face supports this thought.

The prince and his fiancé look like a giddy happy couple, they are far away from the press across the pool so saying Harry is trying to protect her from them or somebody like her is camera shy is hard to believe
Harry and William are both very wary of the press because of the way their mother was hounded by them. Harry has had other girl friends who decided that life in the spotlight was not for them. Meghan is press savvy, but still I think that he will shield her as much as he can. And so he should if he loves her.
 
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It's nothing new. As a retired fed, I had to take the sexual harassment class. And here (honestly) is a potential scenario.
I find the woman in the next cubicle attractive. I stop by and ask if she'd like to go for a drink after work.
Part one - three possibilities - 1) She says yes and we do; 2) She says no and we don't; 3) She files a complaint.
Part two - the guy in the next cubicle over has also asked her out and she refused. To get even, he files a "hostile environment" complaint against both of us complaining he was offended by exchange.
Part 3 - 1) neither of us is bothered by it; 2) the next guy over isn't interested; 3) BUT, a supervisor happens to be walking by and he knows that if a complaint is filed and it says he heard the invite and did nothing, he will be in trouble. So he takes action.
And that was 30 years ago......
 
I don't get it. Why would inviting a woman to go out for a drink be sexual harassment?

Of course, if he was wiggling his eyebrows like Groucho Marx while he said it....
 
I don't get it. Why would inviting a woman to go out for a drink be sexual harassment?

Of course, if he was wiggling his eyebrows like Groucho Marx while he said it....

I don't get it, either, Sunny, unless the person asking her wields great power over whether or not she keeps her job. Of course there is the argument that social stuff doesn't belong in the workplace -- maybe the man in Ray's scenario should ask the woman outside the office? I dunno.
 
What it boils down to is....His approach, & her reception of it...And let's be honest, none of us know what either is. We only know what they claim it to be.

I was interested in a woman at work years ago. I was younger, [40 years] things were different. But I was still very discrete in my approach . Our dating went fine, our split went fine, no trouble with work...just some teasing from those who knew.......BTW, she is the one that i perhaps should have held on too.

But....I have heard a few [at work] stories that went really bad .
 
I don't get it. Why would inviting a woman to go out for a drink be sexual harassment?

Of course, if he was wiggling his eyebrows like Groucho Marx while he said it....

Well, we are talking about the federal government where one size fits all.
 


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