Will The Taliban Take Kabul on 9-11?

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oldiebutgoody said:
Perhaps the phrase "were sacrificed" is more apropos.
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Undeniably apropos.
oldiebutgoody said:
After all, now there can be no question that the Taliban's presence in Kabul proves it represents the majority of the people of Afghanistan.
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Did we understand that prior to this week or has it hit us like a ton of bricks? There hasn't been much honest reporting that I've seen up until now. I definitely knew the west was wrong for occupying Afghanistan but I don't think I understood the Afghan position very well. Till now. The old Soviet guard must be laughing in their boots! The US created/instigated/funded/armed the various Afghani factions to fight against the USSR occupation and now America's Frankenstein has taken a chunk out of Washington as if to say, "Neither you idiot Soviets nor you boisterous Americans understand that ours is a cultural stand, not a political or capitalist fascination".
 

oldiebutgoody said:
Taliban captures female traitor:


The Taliban captured a female Afghan governor who recruited militants to fight the Taliban, report says​


The Taliban captured a female Afghan governor who recruited militants to fight the Taliban, report says (msn.com)


  • The Taliban detained Salima Mazari, one of the few female Afghan governors, The Times of India reported.
  • The report didn't indicate where Mazari was or when Taliban forces captured her.
  • As the governor of the Charkint district, she recruited and trained militants to fight the Taliban.
Salima Mazari, one of the few female governors in Afghanistan, has been detained by the Taliban, The Times of India reported on Wednesday, citing local reports.

Nadia Momand, a TV journalist in Afghanistan, tweeted on Wednesday that the Taliban had reportedly captured Mazari. Momand called for her release. The Times of India report didn't indicate where Mazari was or when the Taliban captured her.

Mazari, 40, is the governor of Charkint district in northern Afghanistan, which has a population of more than 30,000 people. She has been recruiting and training militants to fight against Taliban insurgents since 2019, The Guardian reported last week.

Mazari was born in Iran in 1980. Her family had fled the Soviet war in Afghanistan, and Mazari returned to the country decades later, The Guardian said. She was appointed governor in 2018, making her one of the few women in male-dominated Afghan politics, NPR reported.

She has been a force in the fight against the Taliban. "Sometimes I'm in the office in Charkint, and other times I have to pick up a gun and join the battle," she told The Guardian.

By the first week of August, half of Mazari's district was under Taliban rule, and she had recruited 600 locals to shore up the district's defense, Agence France-Presse reported. Many of them were farmers who had sold their livestock to buy weapons, Mazari told the AFP.

Her district was one of the last standing before the country fell to the Taliban over the weekend.






After WW II Christian Europeans took female traitors to the scaffold. Let's see if the Muslim Taliban will do the same. If it does then no one should raise any objection because the Muslim standard of retribution would be no different than that of Christians.
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From the above report, it does appear that she deserves whatever the Taliban see fit to give her and your final sentence rings loud and true.
 
JimBob1952 said:
No, I'm here for the duration.
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The duration of what - the dialogue that you went out of your way to initiate? Oh, I see, you are upset that I dismissed you and you want the last word as a sort of "saving face". Fine. I give you permission.
 
Verisure said:
Undeniably apropos.

Did we understand that prior to this week or has it hit us like a ton of bricks? There hasn't been much honest reporting that I've seen up until now. I definitely knew the west was wrong for occupying Afghanistan but I don't think I understood the Afghan position very well. Till now. The old Soviet guard must be laughing in their boots! The US created/instigated/funded/armed the various Afghani factions to fight against the USSR occupation and now America's Frankenstein has taken a chunk out of Washington as if to say, "Neither you idiot Soviets nor you boisterous Americans understand that ours is a cultural stand, not a political or capitalist fascination".
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I guess that's the problem that so many Americans fail to understand - that like the Nazis before them, nobody has a right to invade a land, steal its resources, impose a puppet government, hire collaborators, kill anyone who dares to dissent from such imperialism, and continually occupy a subjugated country and people without there being consequences for such evil actions.



The people and Taliban government did not attack nor impose any threat to the USA in 2001. There was and remain no valid reason for attacking those people and its government. There was and remain no valid reason for occupying that land. Doing so involves consequences. If the Taliban now chooses to execute the traitors who collaborated with the invaders that is their business, their choice, their solution, their problem. NOT ours.

We chose to go after Benedict Arnold but he escaped though his wife was treated with great charity. We executed about 500 soldiers during the Civil War for desertion or treason, we did the same to Eddie Slovik, and we executed the Rosenbergs. Christian partisans attacked many collaborators and executed several. Now if Muslim Talibani do the same then we have no argument against those actions because we have a long history of doing the same.
 
Gaer said:
Sad! This was predictable and preventable. The way this was handled without conditions is a U.S. embarrassment.
Pray for the women and the interpreters. Seriously! Use your strong thought to help them.
This is devastating!
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I woke in the middle of the night and heard a BBC broadcast that featured two young Afghani translators expressing their fears. The young woman is university educated having been born after the Taliban were displaced 20 years ago. The man was employed by the Americans. There are lists of names that are being used by Talibans to search houses looking for documents such as records of their service and visas. The man had already left his house when they came knocking and searched his parents home. They found his hidden documents so now he is between a rock and a hard place. He cannot leave for America (or Australia) without his documents and if he stays the Taliban will kill him, or if he is in hiding, they will hurt his family if they do not give him up.

As I listened I was reminded of the Terror that gripped France after the French revolution. People were all too ready to gain favour in the republic by denouncing first the aristocrats then anyone they had a grudge against. The guillotine was very busy.

Despite the leaders pledge not to take revenge, what is happening on the ground says that this is just camouflage for the actions that will surely follow when the last of the foreigners have left. People will start to disappear and heads will literally roll.

I am deeply upset by what is about to happen. I cannot sleep.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I guess that's the problem that so many Americans fail to understand - that like the Nazis before them, nobody has a right to invade a land, steal its resources, impose a puppet government, hire collaborators, kill anyone who dares to dissent from such imperialism, and continually occupy a subjugated country and people without there being consequences for such evil actions.



The people and Taliban government did not attack nor impose any threat to the USA in 2001. There was and remain no valid reason for attacking those people and its government. There was and remain no valid reason for occupying that land. Doing so involves consequences. If the Taliban now chooses to execute the traitors who collaborated with the invaders that is their business, their choice, their solution, their problem. NOT ours.

We chose to go after Benedict Arnold but he escaped though his wife was treated with great charity. We executed about 500 soldiers during the Civil War for desertion or treason, we did the same to Eddie Slovik, and we executed the Rosenbergs. Christian partisans attacked many collaborators and executed several. Now if Muslim Talibani do the same then we have no argument against those actions because we have a long history of doing the same.
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You hit every nail on the head. The US is following Orwell's script in "1984" right down to the most minute detail. I read it as a young man and it was frightening. Who thought it would become reality? I didn't.
 
Warrigal said:
I woke in the middle of the night and heard a BBC broadcast that featured two young Afghani translators expressing their fears. The young woman is university educated having been born after the Taliban were displaced 20 years ago. The man was employed by the Americans. There are lists of names that are being used by Talibans to search houses looking for documents such as records of their service and visas. The man had already left his house when they came knocking and searched his parents home. They found his hidden documents so now he is between a rock and a hard place. He cannot leave for America (or Australia) without his documents and if he stays the Taliban will kill him, or if he is in hiding, they will hurt his family if they do not give him up.

As I listened I was reminded of the Terror that gripped France after the French revolution. People were all too ready to gain favour in the republic by denouncing first the aristocrats then anyone they had a grudge against. The guillotine was very busy.

Despite the leaders pledge not to take revenge, what is happening on the ground says that this is just camouflage for the actions that will surely follow when the last of the foreigners have left. People will start to disappear and heads will literally roll.

I am deeply upset by what is about to happen. I cannot sleep.
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What you wrote breaks my heart! We stand watching this unfold and know what you said about the beheadings will come about. We stand there gasping with tears in our eyes, not for what has happened but for what is yet to be!
The awaited press conference addresses only masked mandates?
Really?
What?
 
Gaer said:
What you wrote breaks my heart! We stand watching this unfold and know what you said about the beheadings will come about. We stand there gasping with tears in our eyes, not for what has happened but for what is yet to be!
The awaited press conference addresses only masked mandates?
Really?
What?
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This is the consequence of American war-mongering. The next war the US wants to start you should scream at the top of your lungs telling them to "stop!"
 
Verisure said:
This is the consequence of American war-mongering. The next war the US wants to start you should scream at the top of your lungs telling them to "stop!"
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I wrote to our PM, John Howard, urging him not to follow the US into Gulf War Mark II. I did get a reply talking about weapons of mass destruction. My letter was about what would happen to innocent men women and children as the bombs fell. He did not address my concern at all. There were no WMDs.
 
Warrigal said:
I wrote to our PM, John Howard, urging him not to follow the US into Gulf War Mark II. I did get a reply talking about weapons of mass destruction. My letter was about what would happen to innocent men women and children as the bombs fell. He did not address my concern at all. There were no WMDs.
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Dunno about the rest of the world but the British press published Downing Street Memo* which clearly and unequivocally proved the pretexts for war upon Iraq were a sham. Its disclosure brought down Tony Blair's government as did it with Aznar in Spain. Both considered traitors by many people in their country for supporting Bush in his imperialist war. In my many online posts during that time I promised people that those WMD would never be found because it was all FAKE NEWS.

As I wrote before and will say again --- there was only ONE reason for the imperialist wars upon Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan: war profits. The same corporations who own the news media also own the profiting arms manufacturers. This is why they give you such a sob story about the "loss" of Afghanistan. The reemergence of the Taliban is not a "loss", it is a demonstration of democracy as the majority of the people impose their will on their land. That is their choice whether any pro war pundit in this country wants to believe it or not.








* https://tinyurl.com/8rrmdusm
 
Watching the network news, this evening, I noticed another Big change. The Taliban have been waving their Russian AK-47's in past days. Today, most of them were carrying America AR-15's....confiscated from the Afghan military as those "soldiers" laid down their weapons. That, plus probably millions of rounds of ammo, and many American military vehicles, should put them in a good position to completely eliminate any opposition.
Now, they can concentrate a big effort on once again becoming the world's largest Poppy agriculture area, and reap billions of dollars in the sale of Opium and Heroin....they may even surpass the Mexican drug cartels.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
....... The reemergence of the Taliban is ...... a demonstration of democracy as the majority of the people impose their will on their land. .....
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This is extremely important to understand. Know also that war-mongering architects are well aware of it and intentionally side-step such facts when concocting media reports. We are witnesses to the creation of global Fascism which is no longer "over there" but right here at home. Much of the west (yes, even today's government of Sweden) are willing participants in its construction. Take a look at the mentality of Bush Junior, Joe Bidden, Hillary Clinton, and Stefan Löfven. That must surely give us a hint that something awful is underway. What can it mean? What can it mean.
 
just a note on war profits:


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precisely what I have said all along - the invasion was not intended to create democratic change but to insure high profits for the warmongers
 
oldiebutgoody said:
just a note on war profits:


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precisely what I have said all along - the invasion was not intended to create democratic change but to insure high profits for the warmongers
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Exactly. War is good business.

But I thought the Afghan problem was solved with the 2020 peace agreement negotiated by the last administration. Wasn't this withdrawal part of that?
 
Giants fan1954 said:
I said it on 9/12/01 and I'll say it again...carpet bomb the whole country and that's it.
If you're going to start talking about collateral damage, remember the 3k+ that died on 9/11.
These people are savages.
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I too remember my harsh feelings on 9/12/01 and was happy to hear GW saying 'all of them will hear from us soon..
Now..I have to think of how many innocents are caught up in collateral damage. Yes 'our' innocents suffered but is an eye for an eye really how we want to live.. surely there is a better way
 
Serenity4321 said:
I too remember my harsh feelings on 9/12/01 and was happy to hear GW saying 'all of them will hear from us soon..
Now..I have to think of how many innocents are caught up in collateral damage. Yes 'our' innocents suffered but is an eye for an eye really how we want to live.. surely there is a better way
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Just to be clear, whose eyes are you talking about?
 

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