WWII Nazi memorabilia

The topic of this thread is about Nazi memorabilia and what they represent about Hitler's Final Solution for the genocide of Jews.
 

StarSong said:
Shalimar and Olivia, thank you for pointing out how easily deflections can move our focus from the matter at hand. I apologize for participating in the distraction.

It's likely that the Holocaust greatly affected the lives of most on this forum since today's Seniors grew up with adult family members, friends, neighbors, and relatives who were WWII veterans. To those who lost family members in the Holocaust I offer my sincerest condolences. I cannot begin to imagine your anger and pain from such a horrific cruelty.
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Thank you, and the deflections in this thread cause us great pain. You do not need to apologise, I know you are not antisemitic.
 
StarSong said:
It's hard to believe that questioning the Holocaust is where this topic has landed.
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Which holocaust ?

There have been many 20th century holocausts.

Are you referring to the only one that has special legal protection in many nations...
where questioning it is illegal... and many have gone to prison for questioning it ?
How many here would also favor the USA passing laws to make questioning it illegal .

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KingsX said:
Which holocaust ?

There have been many 20th century holocausts.

Are you referring to the only one that has special legal protection in many nations...
where questioning it is illegal... and many have gone to prison for questioning it ??

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Please stop derailing this thread. Should you wish to discuss other holocausts, you have the opportunity to start a thread which deals with them.
 
Putin dedicated a "huge Jew holocaust center in Moscow?" What the hell is a Jew holocaust center? Just your coinage of that expression reeks of Nazi rhetoric, kingx.

If you are referring to the Holocaust Memorial Synagogue in Moscow, built to stand alongside a mosque and a church to memorialize ALL the innocent victims of the Nazis, you've got the name of the building,
and the date, dead wrong. Why am I not surprised? You've managed to get the point of this thread dead wrong also. (Or maybe not. Putting the blame for the Holocaust squarely where it belongs makes you
uncomfortable, apparently. Why is that?)

Here's a link about this memorial synagogue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Memorial_Synagogue_(Moscow)

No one went broke underestimating the narrowness of xenophobic minds either. Fascinating what goes into creating such a mindset.
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Shalimar, indeed. Well put.
 
Shalimar said:
Please stop derailing this thread.
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You and Olivia first brought up the subject on page one... and now you want to manipulate responses to be only to your liking. THAT is the very point I have tried to make here. Many European nations have made it a CRIME punishable by prison for anyone to say or post any response on the subject that you first brought up that is not in tune with the victors' version of history [ie, not to your and Olivia's liking.] I'll wager that you would like such draconian laws passed here.

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Back to the original post.
I was in Italy towards the end of WW2 and when it was all over I, and many like me, wanted to forget and so brought nothing that would remind us of the past with us. It was over and finished with. I do however still have a Kukri that was presented to everyone in my regiment who served alongside the brave little man from Nepal, the Gurkha after three years working alongside them in Malaya in 1948.
 
Shalimar said:
Please stop derailing this thread. Should you wish to discuss other holocausts, you have the opportunity to start a thread which deals with them.
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KingsX said:
You and Olivia first brought up the subject on page one... and now you want to manipulate responses to be only to your liking. THAT is the very point I have tried to make here. Many European nations have made it a CRIME punishable by prison for anyone to say or post any response on the subject that you first brought up that is not in tune with the victors' version of history [ie, not to your and Olivia's liking.] I'll wager that you would like such draconian laws passed here.

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This thread is NOT about the holocaust. It is about Nazi memorabilia. It evolved into a wide-ranging discussion. This thread is therefore open to man's inhumanity to man. I see no valid reason why any person who wishes to discuss that inhumanity shouldn't be allowed to.
 
Traveler said:
This thread is NOT about the holocaust. It is about Nazi memorabilia. It evolved into a wide-ranging discussion. This thread is therefore open to man's inhumanity to man. I see no valid reason why any person who wishes to discuss that inhumanity shouldn't be allowed to.
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Except when they're used to specifically dismiss the one Holocaust that Nazi memorabilia represents. And I'm not saying that was you.
 
KingsX said:
Maybe Sunny thinks I'm [former] VP Biden traveling incognito ??I .
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I don't know what she is thinking. There are, however, some people who specialize in making rude, personal attacks and who delight in nasty innuendo. No names mentioned but they are quite obvious.

They think they are being clever but all they are actually doing is demonstrating their inability to engage in debate.
 
KingsX said:
You and Olivia first brought up the subject on page one... and now you want to manipulate responses to be only to your liking. THAT is the very point I have tried to make here. Many European nations have made it a CRIME punishable by prison for anyone to say or post any response on the subject that you first brought up that is not in tune with the victors' version of history [ie, not to your and Olivia's liking.] I'll wager that you would like such draconian laws passed here.

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Your hostility is misplaced. I have no desire to see such laws passed in America or Canada. This thread is not a platform for the inequities of Putin or anyone other than Nazi Germany. By all means discuss such things in another thread. The OP herself has expressed distaste at the way this thread has warped. Unlike Traveler, You have not shown one iota of compassion towards those affected by The Final Solution. That is your choice, but it reeks of antisemitism. Those of us who have lost loved ones in said Holocaust find that hurtful.
 
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Traveler said:
Character assassination is being a troll. KingsX never said any such thing. Don't try to put words in her mouth.
Low form of debate !
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With respect, it was implicit in what she posts, she also puts words in Olivia and mine, re supposedly wanting the same rules in our countries as applies in some European ones re denying the Holocaust.
 
justfred said:
Back to the original post.
I was in Italy towards the end of WW2 and when it was all over I, and many like me, wanted to forget and so brought nothing that would remind us of the past with us. It was over and finished with. I do however still have a Kukri that was presented to everyone in my regiment who served alongside the brave little man from Nepal, the Gurkha after three years working alongside them in Malaya in 1948.
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Gurkhas are amazing. Arguably the finest warriors in the world.
 
Shalimar said:
That is your choice, but it reeks of antisemitism.
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That is another term that people like to throw around to try to force others to conform
to whatever their ideology and agenda is.

The irony is... the word, Semite, does not have an actual racial or religious meaning.
The word is not in the Bible. Supposedly the word refers to the descendants of Shem.
If so, then the word would refer to not just Israelites, but also Ishmaelites and Edomites.
In which case, anyone who is anti-Arab could be accused of "antisemitism"... and even
God might be accused of "antisemitism" when He said: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

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KingsX said:
That is another term that people like to throw around to try to force others to conform
to whatever their ideology and agenda is.

The irony is... the word, Semite, does not have an actual racial or religious meaning.
The word is not in the Bible. Supposedly the word refers to the descendants of Shem.
If so, then the word would refer to not just Israelites, but also Ishmaelites and Edomites.
In which case, anyone who is anti-Arab could be accused of "antisemitism"... and even
God might be accused of "antisemitism" when He said: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

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Wow. It seems to me that is projection on your part to suggest anyone else is attempting to force feed their agenda on others. The OP has made her feelings known, it is highly disrespectful to ignore them. I grow weary of the dissembling and misdirection infecting this thread. My family contains both Christians and Jews. As my Jewish relatives would say, Shalom.
 
Shalimar said:
This thread is not a platform for the inequities of Putin or anyone other than Nazi Germany.
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According to Putin, Stalin's Red Army was the victor who defeated Hitler.
When Putin helped dedicate a Red Army victory momument near Tel Aviv,
Israelis agreed that without Stalin's Red Army, Hitler would have won WW2.
Netanyahu was Putin's guest of honor at Putin's recent Red Army victory parade
in Moscow.


" Russia is the only major country that continues to celebrate
the defeat of Nazi Germany as a national holiday."

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" Jews should acknowledge the fact, that were it not for the Red Army,
there would not have been a victory against Nazi Germany, and there
would probably not have been any Jewish survivors in Europe. "

http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/our-debt-to-the-red-army-now-it-can-be-told/


" Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stood alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin
and Serbian President Alexander Vujcic at a parade in Moscow's Red Square
commemorating the 73rd anniversary of the Russian victory over Nazi Germany
on Wednesday.

President Putin had personally invited Prime Minister Netanyahu to participate
alongside him in the events of Russia's annual victory day. "

https://www.jpost.com/International...in-Moscow-attends-victory-day-ceremony-555925

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Shalimar said:
Wow. It seems to me that is projection on your part to suggest anyone else is attempting to force feed their agenda on others. The OP has made her feelings known, it is highly disrespectful to ignore them. I grow weary of the dissembling and misdirection infecting this thread. My family contains both Christians and Jews. As my Jewish relatives would say, Shalom.
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Same with me Shali. And I'm proud to be a member. Most are known for their brains !
 
KingsX said:
That is another term that people like to throw around to try to force others to conform
to whatever their ideology and agenda is.

The irony is... the word, Semite, does not have an actual racial or religious meaning.
The word is not in the Bible. Supposedly the word refers to the descendants of Shem.
If so, then the word would refer to not just Israelites, but also Ishmaelites and Edomites.
In which case, anyone who is anti-Arab could be accused of "antisemitism"... and even
God might be accused of "antisemitism" when He said: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

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The word Semite refers to peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, however the term "anti-Semitism" was first coined in 1879 in reference specifically to the hatred of Jews.
 
The Nazi massacre of not only the Jews but others during Hitlers 'reign' seems to be the number one topic here. Why? I think it,s because it took place within or very close to living memory but were not other massacres that took place just as evil? Let,s look back in history. Mao Tse-tung's long march in which around 70 million were massacred. The massacre of the American Indians by the white man, The massacre of the Australian Aborigine. The massacre of Africans during 'colonisation' by the white man. Going further back, the massacre of hundreds of thousands Muslims during the Crusades. Massacres have taken place and are still taking place all over the world.
When will man learn to live in peace with his neighbour. Does it matter what colour his skin is? Does it matter which God he worships?
 
justfred said:
The Nazi massacre of not only the Jews but others during Hitlers 'reign' seems to be the number one topic here. Why? I think it,s because it took place within or very close to living memory but were not other massacres that took place just as evil? Let,s look back in history. Mao Tse-tung's long march in which around 70 million were massacred. The massacre of the American Indians by the white man, The massacre of the Australian Aborigine. The massacre of Africans during 'colonisation' by the white man. Going further back, the massacre of hundreds of thousands Muslims during the Crusades. Massacres have taken place and are still taking place all over the world.
When will man learn to live in peace with his neighbour. Does it matter what colour his skin is? Does it matter which God he worships?
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"When will man learn to live in peace with his neighbour. Does it matter what colour his skin is? Does it matter which God he worships?"

Those are the most important ideas that need exploring. Could you start a thread on that? I think many will reply.
 
Yes. I think it about time this thread was brought to a close. It has gone from Nazi memorabilia to a slanging match. We all belong to this wonderful forum as friends. Let,s keep it that way, please!
 
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Anyone who believes it doesn't matter which God is worshiped is no friend of mine !!

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