Up to 18 people shot at Walmart El Paso Texas

Sunny said:
Just FYI,Win, I have been called many things, but "stupid" has never been one of them. My response to that is the same as Forrest Gump's: "Stupid is as stupid does."

Win, we've already covered all your red herrings. Dragging cars, knives, and anything else into the argument in an attempt to deflect attention away from military-grade weapons that the mentally deranged are permitted to buy apparently with no restrictions, doesn't work as an argument; it never has. Those other things exist for other purposes than killing. They are tools, or to use one of your examples, body parts. Anything can be abused. But only one of the things under discussion exists to kill as many people as possible in the shortest span of time, and has no other purpose.

Good grief, a kindergarten child could understand this! Do you go into name-calling mode when your argument is obviously getting weaker and weaker? Or are you a mouthpiece for the NRA, providing fodder for those pathetic men who need to prove, at least to themselves, how macho they are?

(And by the way, all this name-calling you are directing my way does absolutely nothing to support your argument. It just shows how weak that argument is. Only schoolyard bullies resort to that when they are losing an argument. So much for our "friendly" forum.)

You keep repeating the fact that I am free to live my life as I choose. That's very nice of you, to give me permission, but I really don't need your permission to do exactly that.

So try taking a deep breath and focus on the issue. Let's do without the childishness.
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Interesting .... you chastise him for name calling, yet you are the one that started it all with the "Rambo" reference.
Perhaps the reduction in childishness should start with you ?
 

C'est Moi said:
Sorry, but kids have been playing with toy guns forever. I had toy guns as a kid, yet I have managed to never kill anyone...nor did playing with toy guns twist my psyche. :rolleyes: Our children also had toy guns.

We have many rifles, shotguns, and handguns in this house and we plan to keep them.
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not in the quantities of today and the constant surrounding of guns in all medias. New heroes kill bad guys vs. putting them in jail like "old days". No one can deny the media smothering everyone with hideous amounts of violence. Watch an action movie or super hero movie and count the number of confrontations.
 
Walk thru a Walmart and count the number of violent games, toys, comic books, posters and other goodies for our children to hug and love.
 

rgp said:
If we can change the constitution regarding gun ownership ? ......... We can change it regarding swift justice.
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A constitutional amendment takes years and years. First it has to be passed in congress with a 2/3 majority of the house and senate. Then it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states. Of over 11,000 proposed amendments, only 27 have been ratified in the history of the United States.

I'm doubtful that a gun ownership amendment would squeak through, but I'm absolutely certain that a "swift justice" amendment as you have described would never get passed and ratified.
 
Butterfly said:
A constitutional amendment takes years and years. First it has to be passed in congress with a 2/3 majority of the house and senate. Then it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states. Of over 11,000 proposed amendments, only 27 have been ratified in the history of the United States.

I'm doubtful that a gun ownership amendment would squeak through, but I'm absolutely certain that a "swift justice" amendment as you have described would never get passed and ratified.
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It took William Wilberforce 20 years of campaigning in parliament to successfully abolish the English slave trade. No-one ever finds reform easy but some reforms are worth the effort. It takes dreamers like John Lennon singing songs such as Imagine and it takes activists like Martin Luther King to raise awareness of the need for change. There will always be resistance from people who think they have something to lose. Women's suffrage was resisted by men who thought their world would come crashing down if their wives could vote. However, in the end, important reforms make the world better for everyone.

The important thing is to imagine the benefits of the reform and keep moving towards that goal with heart, hand and voice.
 
Sunny said:
Just FYI,Win, I have been called many things, but "stupid" has never been one of them. My response to that is the same as Forrest Gump's: "Stupid is as stupid does."

Win, we've already covered all your red herrings. Dragging cars, knives, and anything else into the argument in an attempt to deflect attention away from military-grade weapons that the mentally deranged are permitted to buy apparently with no restrictions, doesn't work as an argument; it never has. Those other things exist for other purposes than killing. They are tools, or to use one of your examples, body parts. Anything can be abused. But only one of the things under discussion exists to kill as many people as possible in the shortest span of time, and has no other purpose.

Good grief, a kindergarten child could understand this! Do you go into name-calling mode when your argument is obviously getting weaker and weaker? Or are you a mouthpiece for the NRA, providing fodder for those pathetic men who need to prove, at least to themselves, how macho they are?

(And by the way, all this name-calling you are directing my way does absolutely nothing to support your argument. It just shows how weak that argument is. Only schoolyard bullies resort to that when they are losing an argument. So much for our "friendly" forum.)

You keep repeating the fact that I am free to live my life as I choose. That's very nice of you, to give me permission, but I really don't need your permission to do exactly that.

So try taking a deep breath and focus on the issue. Let's do without the childishness.
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Uh....who started the "name calling," Miss Sunny?

Good idea - "Doing without the childishness." Let's start with you.
 
fmdog44 said:
not in the quantities of today and the constant surrounding of guns in all medias. New heroes kill bad guys vs. putting them in jail like "old days". No one can deny the media smothering everyone with hideous amounts of violence. Watch an action movie or super hero movie and count the number of confrontations.
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Yes....people are sometimes influenced by movies & video games.
Example: Many years ago, my co-workers & I were discussing what a great movie "Cape Fear" was; (the color version with Robert DeNiro & Nick Nolte). We started imitating Joe Don Baker when he called DeNiro a "White Trash Piece of S--t." We (jokingly) called each other that many times.
 
Video games are responsible - don't make me laff.

Walmart had mass murderers in its stores just days ago and has taken the extreme decision to “temporarily remove advertising displays for violent video games".

A Walmart spokesperson said:
“We’ve taken this action out of respect for the incidents of the past week, and this action does not reflect a long-term change in our video game assortment.”
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Fred Guttenberg—whose 14 year-old daughter Jaime was murdered at her high school in Parkland—let the billion dollar retail chain know what he thought of their decision.

"My daughter did not die in Parkland because of video games. She died because of weapons and ammunition that was available for purchase in Walmart. Stop hiding behind made up issues and come to grips with the reality of your role in gun violence."
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Walmart has no intention of removing guns and ammo from their stores but thank God they won't advertise violent video games until the controversy dies down? Well done Walmart, I don't think !!!
 
Butterfly said:
A constitutional amendment takes years and years. First it has to be passed in congress with a 2/3 majority of the house and senate. Then it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states. Of over 11,000 proposed amendments, only 27 have been ratified in the history of the United States.

I'm doubtful that a gun ownership amendment would squeak through, but I'm absolutely certain that a "swift justice" amendment as you have described would never get passed and ratified.
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You may be right ? We will likely never know . That said, i do believe the one with the more positive effect on society would be a change in our justice system. The appeals / appellate court, have just become ridiculous .
 
About Walmart and the video games.... of course they are using this as a cheap attempt to convince everyone that they are really good guys and are doing their best to bring an end to gun violence. And probably some will buy into it.

Actually, I do think violent video games, and also violent arcade games, toy guns, etc. should be consigned to the medieval past. I can remember seeing an extremely violent arcade game at an arcade at the beach, years ago. (I bet it's still there!) The kid playing the game holds a "gun," and every time a human figure pops up, he gets to shoot, racking up points.

I can also remember with some horror, one of my son's favorite toys, when he was about 4-5. It was a "machine gun," with a crank to turn which made a loud putt-putt sound. It never occurred to me that he never should have had that toy; in those days, all little boys had toy guns. I think the attraction was the putt-putt sound rather than any fantasies of violence; the same thing could have been accomplished by a toy lawn mower. And no, he didn't grow up to be a mass murderer; in fact, he hates guns. And he turned out just fine. But I'm still sorry I ever got him that toy, just as a general principal. We all evolve, some of us apparently more quickly than others.

But to get back to Walmart, it would be a step in the right direction to remove those damn games. That IN ADDITION to getting our legislators to enact strong gun control laws. It would at least be a first step, providing they don't just put the games back next week.
 
I don't buy into the theory about violent games, videos, toys, etc...

IMO the big change from when I was growing up vs today is the lack of contact with people that care about you, care for you, educate/train you, etc... Today parents are busy working, kids are raised in daycare and when they are with family many times the parents are spending more time with their iPhones, computers, etc... than they are with their children.

“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”- Aristotle
 
"But to get back to Walmart, it would be a step in the right direction to remove those damn games. That IN ADDITION to getting our legislators to enact strong gun control laws. It would at least be a first step, providing they don't just put the games back next week. "

Walmart or whomever , will put on the shelves, whatever sells. It's just that simple. It is the American free enterprise system.

I don't think the games have anymore influence than Wiley Coyote & Roadrunner had 50 years ago. But, what i think individually really doesn't matter. If the customers en'mass want the games ? and they sell well ? Then the games will be made available.
 
rgp said:
"But to get back to Walmart, it would be a step in the right direction to remove those damn games. That IN ADDITION to getting our legislators to enact strong gun control laws. It would at least be a first step, providing they don't just put the games back next week. "

Walmart or whomever , will put on the shelves, whatever sells. It's just that simple. It is the American free enterprise system.

I don't think the games have anymore influence than Wiley Coyote & Roadrunner had 50 years ago. But, what i think individually really doesn't matter. If the customers en'mass want the games ? and they sell well ? Then the games will be made available.
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Exactly. Only a small mind would demonize Walmart; apparently there is a market and they are in business. :rolleyes: If something is legal to sell, then sell it. People are ridiculous with all the controls they want put on our civil liberties.
 
Only a small mind would demonize Walmart; apparently there is a market and they are in business. :rolleyes: If something is legal to sell, then sell it. People are ridiculous with all the controls they want put on our civil liberties.
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C'est moi, where has anyone suggested putting "controls" on Walmart's civil liberties? Before your knickers get irrevocably tied up in a knot defending the "rights" of this megabusiness, please note that even Walmart themselves aren't complaining, or making any statements about infringements on their "rights." They themselves said this is basically a PR move, and they are temporarily removing the violent games.

Geez Louise!
 
Sunny said:
C'est moi, where has anyone suggested putting "controls" on Walmart's civil liberties? Before your knickers get irrevocably tied up in a knot defending the "rights" of this megabusiness, please note that even Walmart themselves aren't complaining, or making any statements about infringements on their "rights." They themselves said this is basically a PR move, and they are temporarily removing the violent games.

Geez Louise!
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I said nothing about Walmart's civil liberties. I said "OUR" civil liberties.
 
And which ones of "OUR" civil liberties" are "WE" being deprived of? The right to go into a store and buy a weapon of mass murder, with no checks on our sanity or criminal past?

If something is legal to sell, then it should be sold, end of discussion? What if, through some loophole, it was legal to sell some poison so toxic that a few drops in the water supply could kill thousands of people? But this poison is too new to be restricted, so Walmart should just go ahead and sell it to anyone who wants it? Really, no restrictions, no matter what? Because the "civil liberties" of Walmart and their customers are more important than preventing the murder of all those innocent people?

I'm curious. Do you think anyone wanting to drive a car should be allowed to do so on public roads, whether they have a license or not? Even if they've never learned to drive? Or is that another infringement of their "civil liberties?"

P.S. Anyway, what's with the straw man you've set up? Who is depriving Walmart of the right to sell violent games, or your right to buy them? From what I've read here, it was Walmart themselves who removed the games (temporarily) from the shelves. They probably saw the storm clouds gathering, and did it as a PR measure.
 
Sunny said:
And which ones of "OUR" civil liberties" are "WE" being deprived of? The right to go into a store and buy a weapon of mass murder, with no checks on our sanity or criminal past?

If something is legal to sell, then it should be sold, end of discussion? What if, through some loophole, it was legal to sell some poison so toxic that a few drops in the water supply could kill thousands of people? But this poison is too new to be restricted, so Walmart should just go ahead and sell it to anyone who wants it? Really, no restrictions, no matter what? Because the "civil liberties" of Walmart and their customers are more important than preventing the murder of all those innocent people?

I'm curious. Do you think anyone wanting to drive a car should be allowed to do so on public roads, whether they have a license or not? Even if they've never learned to drive? Or is that another infringement of their "civil liberties?"

P.S. Anyway, what's with the straw man you've set up? Who is depriving Walmart of the right to sell violent games, or your right to buy them? From what I've read here, it was Walmart themselves who removed the games (temporarily) from the shelves. They probably saw the storm clouds gathering, and did it as a PR measure.
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You said ....... "And which ones of "OUR" civil liberties" are "WE" being deprived of? The right to go into a store and buy a weapon of mass murder, with no checks on our sanity or criminal past? "

Same background check at the Walmart gun counter, as at any gun store. They can only scrutinize the information available. Felony past is readily available. Doctor/patient privilege protects some [most] past mental issues.


You said........"I'm curious. Do you think anyone wanting to drive a car should be allowed to do so on public roads, whether they have a license or not? Even if they've never learned to drive? Or is that another infringement of their "civil liberties?"


Driving is a privilege that must be applied for. The right to bear arms is in the Constitution [second amendment]


P.S. People drive all the time without a license or endorsement .
 
On 08/10/19 a fool light of firecrackers in a mall in Houston, Tx as a prank and everyone ran for their lives. Hopefully the prankster will be caught and get his/her just deserve. How stupid can a person be?
 
No......really....what are those evil assault rifles for? Well, here is one family that is grateful their son had one: (Hint: family safe, but 3 dirtbags at room temperature, female mastermind of the home invasion - turned herself in (very upset at the loss of her "friends") And SHE will be charged with their deaths. She's 21 & A MOTHER OF 3. Nice to see an ideal outcome. Looks like the son had a "Rambo Complex." :p

 
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