Are there ANGELS?

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I just found an article about Adam and Eve and the possibility of incest and the answer is yes. About the town where Cain found a wife, biblical scholars believe that's where Cain found his wife because the bible says after Abel's murder: "Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden." However, the bible only mentions his wife once after the birth of their first son, Enoch, and does not say who the wife was, it's assumed she was one of his sisters.

https://aleteia.org/2019/03/11/how-did-cain-find-a-wife/
 

Lara said:
Every unbeliever says that. No surprise there.
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Lara, not every Christian holds your view of biblical literacy. I host a weekly bible study at home and our minister is someone who takes the bible and biblical scholarship very seriously. None of us take the view that every word in the bible represents literal truth. For example, the Genesis stories are accepted as mythological or allegorical texts so most of the arguments that have been raging seem rather pointless to us. We reflect on the meaning and look for truths within the stories that can help up chart our course in modern times. Nevertheless we are all committed followers of Jesus. We believe in him and the gospel teachings.

Last Sunday one of our hymns began with the opening lines

We limit not the truth of God
To our poor reach of mind,

and the repeated refrain after each verse is

The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.

This is an old hymn, written in 1835, that acknowledges that we may think we understand everything but the truth is that, as Paul said in his letter to the church at Corinth, we see life through a darkened glass and will never know it all in our life time but we all understand what love is and that is our mission.

Reflecting on the parable of the sower - perhaps it is time to leave the stony ground and find more receptive soil for the seed ?
 
I believe in Angels . Some that you can't see and some that are human beings but do things that make me feel they are angels also. I realized just today that a woman that is a friend of my nieces goes to my older Sister's house everyday to help my Sister care for her son who is on Hospice at home. The woman has a hard life herself yet she spends hours everyday helping my sister. She never asks for anything she does everything out of the goodness of her heart. To me she is an Angel.
 

Lara, Please do not leave. Of course, I don't believe in the bible, I'm an atheist. But I do feel that you use this forum to propagate your religious views. And you believe, that what you believe is the whole truth;, and you are going to tell the world about. Read your posts. It's hard to know who is speaking you, or God. You have never said, this is what I believe. You state things as fact-but they are your beliefs. I don't think you are aware of how abrasive that sounds. I may be overly sensitive, but I don't like being dismissed as some jackass nonbeliever.
 
PVC said:
I just found an article about Adam and Eve and the possibility of incest and the answer is yes. About the town where Cain found a wife, biblical scholars believe that's where Cain found his wife because the bible says after Abel's murder: "Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden." However, the bible only mentions his wife once after the birth of their first son, Enoch, and does not say who the wife was, it's assumed she was one of his sisters.

https://aleteia.org/2019/03/11/how-did-cain-find-a-wife/
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Ok, who were the "daughters of men" in the Bible? The sons of God looked upon the "daughters of men...".
 
Liberty said:
Ok, who were the "daughters of men" in the Bible? The sons of God looked upon the "daughters of men...".
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Yes, that really grabbed me, I have no idea what it means.

It sounds like something out of the Greek Mythology, or the Mesopotamiam religion, or the Anunnaki the ancient gods of the Sumerians, or even the rogue planet of Nibiru. I strongly believe that the Sumerian religion inspired the writing of the bible.
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Also the writings of Zecharia Sitchin which are regarded as ''pseudohistory'':
Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were actually a race of extraterrestrial beings from the undiscovered planet Nibiru, who came to Earth around 500,000 years ago in order to mine gold.[72][73][74] According to Sitchin, the Anunnaki genetically engineered homo erectus to create modern humans to work as their slaves.[72][73][74] Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were forced to leave Earth when Antarctic glaciers melted, causing the Flood of Noah,[75] which also destroyed the Anunnaki's bases on Earth.[75] These had to be rebuilt and the Nephilim, needing more humans to help in this massive effort, taught them agriculture.[75] Ronald H. Fritze writes that, according to Sitchin, "the Annunaki built the pyramids and all the other monumental structures from around the world that ancient astronaut theorists consider so impossible to build without highly advanced technologies."[72] Sitchin also claimed that the Anunnaki had left behind human-alien hybrids, some of whom may still be alive today, unaware of their alien ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Lara, Please do not leave. Of course, I don't believe in the bible, I'm an atheist. But I do feel that you use this forum to propagate your religious views. And you believe, that what you believe is the whole truth;, and you are going to tell the world about. Read your posts. It's hard to know who is speaking you, or God. You have never said, this is what I believe. You state things as fact-but they are your beliefs. I don't think you are aware of how abrasive that sounds. I may be overly sensitive, but I don't like being dismissed as some jackass nonbeliever.
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I never said I was "leaving"...but it's not out of the question. I never "propagate my religious views" in threads but I do share my religious views in the threads about something religious...like angels. If I can't post my views then you can't either. Yes. I believe that what I believe is the truth. Why would I post things I don't believe and are false? Why shouldn't I "tell about it". It's funny that you said to me "It's hard to know who is speaking you, or God" because I often pray and ask God to give me the right words at the right time". Sorry but that accusation gives me great joy. And you can't tell that what I say is what I believe? Do you seriously want me to post "this is what I believe"every time??? I assumed you could figure that out. And I never called you a "jackass nonbeliever". I would never do that. I respect other people's religions...even your atheist religion. Anybody else want to kick me around before I go have dinner with my daughter?

I'm sorry to be so firm but some of you must admit you've been mean and one person's thread was removed because of it. I'm no Angel (keeping on topic😊) but I'm not the zealot you make me out to be. I just love God and Jesus and I'm unapologetic. I won't mask who I am. So scroll on by if you wish.
 
Sons of God and the daughters of men = from the Hebrew Bible:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
— Genesis 6:1–4,

This passage has had two interpretations in Judaism, (Seth is the third son of Adam, after Abel got killed)
Rabbinic Judaism traditionally adheres to the first interpretation, with some exceptions, and modern Jewish translations may translate bnei elohim as "sons of rulers" rather than "sons of God". Regardless, the second interpretation (sons of angels or other divine beings) is nonexistent in modern Judaism. This is reflected by the rejection of Enoch and other Apocrypha supporting the second interpretation from the Hebrew Bible Canon.
 
Time for a little music.
"Methuselah lived nine hundred years
Methuselah lived nine hundred years
But who calls dat livin'
When no gal will give in
To no man what's nine hundred years?"
From the song It Ain't Necessarily So, in Porgy and Bess

Obviously, years were counted differently back then. Or maybe they had some secret vitamin that we just don't know about?
To get to a serious question, since incest had to take place within the world of Biblical stories, I wonder when the prohibition against it started?
I can't think of anything I've ever heard of in the Bible prohibiting a man from lying, say, with hi sister. It might have been perfectly normal thousands of years ago. So then, when did the prohibition start, and why?
 
Sunny said:
To get to a serious question, since incest had to take place within the world of Biblical stories, I wonder when the prohibition against it started?
I can't think of anything I've ever heard of in the Bible prohibiting a man from lying, say, with hi sister. It might have been perfectly normal thousands of years ago. So then, when did the prohibition start, and why?
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After Moses =
It seems that, by the time of Moses, the human genetic code had become polluted enough that close intermarriage was no longer safe. So, God commanded against sexual relations with siblings, half-siblings, parents, and aunts/uncles (Genesis 2:24 seems to indicate that marriage and sexual relations between parents and children were never allowed by God). It was not until many centuries later that humanity discovered the genetic reason that incest is unsafe and unwise. Genetics was not an issue in the early centuries of humanity, and the marriages that occurred between Adam and Eve’s children, Abraham and Sarah, and Amram and Jochebed were not selfish pursuits of sexual gratification or abuses of authority; accordingly, those relationships should not be viewed as incestuous. The key is that sexual relations between close relatives were viewed differently pre-Law and post-Law. It did not become “incest” until God commanded against it.
 
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Re the ages :

Adam was 930, nothing said about Eve, Seth lived to 912, Noah to 950 and was 600 when he made the ark. Cain's lineage died during the flood and Noah, Seth's descendant was the last one to live to close to 1000. From then on it went down hill until Moses at only 120.

I find it hard to believe those ages, though, after all there were no birth certificates issued. And who ever met all those people before Noah or even after? Life expectancies are now increasing, not decreasing.

Not long ago there was one guy in Pakistan claim to be 150 but he had no proof of the date of his birth. According to Guinnes, the longest human lifespan is that of Jeanne Calment of France (1875–1997), who lived to age 122 years, 164 days. And there is even some dispute about that, they claim that Calment assumed her mother’s identity to avoid inheritance taxes in the 1930s. If true, Yvonne Calment would’ve been 99 if she died in 1997.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...r-age-when-she-died-one-researcher-thinks-so/
 
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I'm sure the realization of genetics and disease had a lot to do with the prohibition. Even long before anyone knew anything about genes and heredity, they must have noticed that families that were breeding among themselves were much more prone to getting certain diseases.

There are even indications of that in the modern world. Within religious and cultural groups that marry and breed among themselves, there is a high prevalence of certain diseases. I guess it wasn't rocket science to come to the obvious conclusion. (And put in a prohibition by "God," of course.)
 
Lara. You pride yourself on your interpretation of the bible. Please use those skills to interpret your recent comment to me. You stated, "I respect other people's religions...even your atheist religion." "even your atheist religion"? That statement is what upsets me. It's your condescending attitude and disregard for the religious beliefs of others. You aren't discussing angels, you are proselytizing And if others are offended by your overzealous religiosity, it's screw you. You're here to spread the Word of God., as you see it. If I disagree with you, you tell me not to participate. Don't read it. Go someplace else. I have every right to respectfully comment as you do. I have never berated anyone's religious beliefs, nor do I berate yours. Lara, you know the difference between discussing religion and proselytizing. May I ask you to please not proselytize as many of us feel alienated, disrespected, and frankly annoyed.
BTW Yes, I realize that my faults are just as bad, and more probably, worse than yours.
 
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Sunny said:
There are even indications of that in the modern world. Within religious and cultural groups that marry and breed among themselves, there is a high prevalence of certain diseases. I guess it wasn't rocket science to come to the obvious conclusion. (And put in a prohibition by "God," of course.)
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The people of Appalachia in western Virginia and eastern Kentucky come to mind. They used to be isolated, but things are improving, I hope. I learned about them after I watched the movie ''Deliverance'' with Burt Reynolds.
 
I have to admit the bible does have some humor. Supposedly a supernatural being created the universe & earth. Then created Adam & Eve. Eve knowing she screwed up talked Adam into hiding. This is where the humor is.

Genesis 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

To funny. A supernatural being able to create the universe, earth, humans, land & water animals, insects can't find Adam & Eve in the garden he made.

Recognized in the bible.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."

Not really humorous just one of those verses that shows the creator was a hypocrit. Made in his image then wants to kill what was made.
 
Knight said:
Genesis 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
To funny. A supernatural being able to create the universe, earth, humans, land & water animals, insects can't find Adam & Eve in the garden he made.
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I thought that was funny, too. Proof that the bible was written by men, not God like religious people like to say. "The word of God'', "God told him", "It's God's wish". You'd think that the author would have remembered that a diety with so much power of creation could find a pebble anywhere and everywhere.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Lara. You pride yourself on your interpretation of the bible. Please use those skills to interpret your recent comment to me. You stated, "I respect other people's religions...even your atheist religion." "even your atheist religion"? That statement is what upsets me. It's your condescending attitude and disregard for the religious beliefs of others. You aren't discussing angels, you are proselytizing And if others are offended by your overzealous religiosity, it's screw you. You're here to spread the Word of God., as you see it. If I disagree with you, you tell me not to participate. Don't read it. Go someplace else. I have every right to respectfully comment as you do. I have never berated anyone's religious beliefs, nor do I berate yours. Lara, you know the difference between discussing religion and proselytizing. May I ask you to please not proselytize as many of us feel alienated, disrespected, and frankly annoyed.
BTW Yes, I realize that my faults are just as bad, and more probably, worse than yours.
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We've both been members here since 2015, yet this is our first conversation with one another and you obviously don't know me. Pity isn't it as it's riddled with insults that aren't worth the time to address...but I will.

No, I'm not "prideful" of my interpretation of the Bible. I pray before reading and ask God to show me His truth. When He does I'm excited and full of joy to learn something new and want to share it so others may also be happy to learn something too.

Atheism is a belief without proof that God doesn't exist. Just like Christianity is a belief without proof that God does exist. When you call mine "religion" I disagree because I believe mine is a Relationship that brings me a friend in Jesus, love, joy, and peace in knowing what my purpose is in life and why. When I call yours a "religion" with the belief that God doesn't exist you are just "upset".

No I'm not "condescending" regarding other religions. I am "comfortable" in my own belief and am not afraid to glow about it. And "glow" was not a typo. As I mentioned in my post #183, I respect anyone's right to their own religion including your atheist religion...except the religion that requires beheading if you don't believe theirs. Be glad I'm not that of that persuasion or you'd be a little more than "upset".

You said if someone disagrees with me I would say "screw you" (that's so not me and everyone knows it) and then you said you "respectfully comment" to me in the very next sentence??? Make up your mind.

No I'm not "over zealous"....but I see I taught you a new word in my post#183 when you accused me of proselytizing and I responded, I'm not a zealot.

I have been nothing but civil and respectful in this thread and others...until now. I won't be a doormat.

Whoever feels "alienated, disrespected, and frankly annoyed" by me, as you say, are either not feeling comfortable in their "own skin" or perhaps still bitter over the now defunct political thread. They hated my conservative Christian views. Then left to start their own forum where the clique banned together to roast me in a thread they named "Lara". Then many came back because the other forum had all like thinkers and no one to bully.
 
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PVC said:
The people of Appalachia in western Virginia and eastern Kentucky come to mind. They used to be isolated, but things are improving, I hope. I learned about them after I watched the movie ''Deliverance'' with Burt Reynolds.
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Now squeal like a pig. :)
 
What "other" forum? Can someone please pm to me with this information? Don't know why it can't be shared here, publicly, but it appears it can't?
 

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