Are there ANGELS?

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I have read all these posts and respect each ones's right to believe as you want. I however, believe in God and His son, Jesus Christ. I start my day everyday by listening to Joel Osteen on TBN and then read a devotional. I choose to do this and I believe there are huge blessings, protections, and favor from God because I read His Word, the Bible, and believe me, when I chose to make this a daily habit and other habits among this choice, I have seen miracles, blessings and much more in my life! Really. So, I like this forum for seniors and am sometimes amazed, enlightened and more.
 
Sunny said:
Interesting how this thread has morphed from belief in angels to the details of tax law! ( Good way to get me out of a conversation in a hurry.) 😁

Anyway, to get back to the "angels" question, let me share an event that happened to me a while back. Due to a combination of medications for heart and blood pressure issues, one morning I woke up to see a kindly woman standing at the foot of my bed. She was not anyone I knew, but I knew she was kind and was watching over me. She was not dressed like an "angel," just wearing ordinary clothes, appeared somewhere in her 40's or so, and looked motherly, although she was not my mother either.

I was not dreaming, I was wide awake, and wondered who she was, and why she was standing by my bed. This illusion lasted probably for just a few seconds, then she went away. Afterwards, I googled the medications, and found that visual hallucinations were indeed one of the possible side effects of one of them. I called my doctor and made an adjustment; it's never happened again.

So.... what if, due to my early training, I was inclined to believe she was an angel? I would probably be arguing that this was "proof" that angels really do exist. I wonder how many religious miracles stemmed from the effects of various chemicals, food, alcohol, whatever on our brains!
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"Interesting how this thread has morphed from belief in angels to the details of tax law! ( Good way to get me out of a conversation in a hurry.) 😁"


;) ...............that's because since angles do not exist, there is little to no point discussing them. But since churches dodge every tax they possibly can, and leave it to us to make up the difference.....there's a time worthy discussion.
 

PONDER THIS....Time on Earth had ended and all humanity has ceased to exist and all believer of Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism , Atheists, etc. and they each stand at a solid golden door with their chosen belief clearly marked on each passage from life to death .. each opened their respective door and passed threw and they were all in the same place..Shangri-La... Just sayin.. :alien:
 
While I am not certain about "Guardian Angels" I am one who believe that those who have moved on do try and reach out to us. I mean people talk of seeing cardinals (the bird, not the Catholic hierarchy) and other things as visits from loved ones. I dreamt once, a few months after my brother died, that he came to visit. Sat by my bed and told me he was "doing OK". maybe my subconscious, wishful thinking, I do not know.
I have dreamt often of my husband. But, again, probably subconscious. For me, faith is believing in what gives us comfort. Do we go "somewhere" after death? Who knows. But is it wrong to believe that maybe we do? So long as we do not try to push this thought on someone who does not believe.
 
Trade, about the Drop Kick Me, Jesus link, 😁!!!

Keesha, calm down. Nobody is saying that Lara doesn't have the right to post anything she pleases. I was not questioning her right to do so, I was questioning your statement that she is exhibiting free will. I don't believe she is. And that is MY right! It's based on reading umpteen posts declaring that Lara has some inside track as to what God wants, what Jesus wants, etc., just reciting the official party line of fundamentalist religion. And that is not free will. It's brain washing.

Marie, I just saw your post, so I'm adding this: I agree with you. It's the pushing, not the believing, that I object to.
 
Nautilus said:
Noah gathered two kangaroos, pandas and Galopagos tortoises? Two of every insect on the planet? Two of every dinosaur species...as is propounded by "The Ark Encounter?"
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Hate to edit but when it comes to blind faith the story about Noah & animals goes a step beyond belief. The arc size to accommodate food, separation of species & births, for the estimated 371 days afloat needs some explaining by bible scholars .

CLASSIFICATION.....NO. OF KNOWN SPECIES.....PROBABLE NO. ON ARK
Mammals................................3,700..................................<3,700
Birds.........................................8,600.................................<8,600
Reptiles....................................6,300.................................<6,300
Amphibians.............................2,500..................................<2,500
Fishes....................................20,600...........................................0
Tunicates.................................1,400...........................................0
Echinoderms...........................6,000...........................................0
Arthropods..........................838,500...........................................0
Mollusks..............................107,250...........................................0
Worms...................................34,700...........................................0
Coelenterates et al..................9,600...........................................0
Sponges...................................4,800...........................................0
Protozoans.............................28,350..........................................0
Total # of Species.............1,072,300.................................21,100

For fairness, in this hypothetical worst-case scenario of species on the Ark, we should add extinct species, bringing the (generous) rough approximation to 25,000 or so. Double this number to account for both genders and you arrive at only about 50,000 animals for the Ark’s passenger list.
 
Knight said:
Hate to edit but when it comes to blind faith the story about Noah & animals goes a step beyond belief. The arc size to accommodate food, separation of species & births, for the estimated 371 days afloat needs some explaining by bible scholars .

CLASSIFICATION.....NO. OF KNOWN SPECIES.....PROBABLE NO. ON ARK
Mammals................................3,700..................................<3,700
Birds.........................................8,600.................................<8,600
Reptiles....................................6,300.................................<6,300
Amphibians.............................2,500..................................<2,500
Fishes....................................20,600...........................................0
Tunicates.................................1,400...........................................0
Echinoderms...........................6,000...........................................0
Arthropods..........................838,500...........................................0
Mollusks..............................107,250...........................................0
Worms...................................34,700...........................................0
Coelenterates et al..................9,600...........................................0
Sponges...................................4,800...........................................0
Protozoans.............................28,350..........................................0
Total # of Species.............1,072,300.................................21,100

For fairness, in this hypothetical worst-case scenario of species on the Ark, we should add extinct species, bringing the (generous) rough approximation to 25,000 or so. Double this number to account for both genders and you arrive at only about 50,000 animals for the Ark’s passenger list.
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With God all things are possible!
 
Knight said:
Hate to edit but when it comes to blind faith the story about Noah & animals goes a step beyond belief. The arc size to accommodate food, separation of species & births, for the estimated 371 days afloat needs some explaining by bible scholars .
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I asked once how did Noah manage to keep the carnivores from eating the other animals and they told me that God pacified them. So, what did they eat, air?

One odd thing, though, they claim that very heavy planks of wood have been found at the top of Mt Ararat, where the bible claims his ark rested at the end of the flood. Seems that global warming melted the snow that were covering them. I need to google what is new with that story.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=wood+planks+on+mt+ararat
 
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Sunny said:
Trade, about the Drop Kick Me, Jesus link, 😁!!!

Keesha, calm down. Nobody is saying that Lara doesn't have the right to post anything she pleases. I was not questioning her right to do so, I was questioning your statement that she is exhibiting free will. I don't believe she is. And that is MY right! It's based on reading umpteen posts declaring that Lara has some inside track as to what God wants, what Jesus wants, etc., just reciting the official party line of fundamentalist religion. And that is not free will. It's brain washing.

Marie, I just saw your post, so I'm adding this: I agree with you. It's the pushing, not the believing, that I object to.
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Sunny! What makes you think I wasn’t calm. I merely stated that every member has a right to speak their mind including Lara. Yes of course you have a right to disagree and I’m ok with that also.
Lara happens to be a friend so I was offering support. That’s it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I don’t feel the least bit brain washed but if that’s how you feel then that’s how you feel.
If you are that negatively affected there’s always the ‘report’ button.

Note to self. Never get in the middle of a religious debate for the sole reason of moral support.
 
The sure fire way to have peace on earth is to discuss religion on an internet forum. It works every time. Don't let anyone tell you differently.
 
I found this below in the comments section of the ark story in the Daily Mail =
{{Nickolas, Ontario, Canada, 10 years ago

Fundamental belief systems are comfortable allowing anomolies. In this case, God could do anything He wanted, so a regional, 4km deep Great Flood could be possible, because it is what He wanted. To the commentators above: no matter what you might say about the physical, scientific impossibility of the existence of Noah's Ark, no matter how logical and measurable it might be, what you say will be by some rejected, with facility. Faith is absolute in the fundamentalist mind. It must be this way. There is no room for questioning a fundamental belief, for the very act of questioning is in itself a betrayal of Faith in God. When you believe, you believe completely and anything anyone says to you that impugns or otherwise diminishes that belief is just plain wrong. If only people could just think things out a little more, we could get all this nonsense behind us and really start to evolve intellectually as a species.}}

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269165/Noahs-Ark-remains-discovered-mountain-Turkey.html
 
norman said:
PONDER THIS....Time on Earth had ended and all humanity has ceased to exist and all believer of Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism , Atheists, etc. and they each stand at a solid golden door with their chosen belief clearly marked on each passage from life to death .. each opened their respective door and passed threw and they were all in the same place..Shangri-La... Just sayin.. :alien:
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...and they were all in the same place...Walmart.
 
The yammering makes my brain hurt.
You believe because you have 'faith;' faith is the topic, not incidents of this and that.
If you have faith, you believe; if you don't, you have no benchmark to grasp
what is being said.
Your not going to convince anyone unless they have a 'spark' of faith.
We all wonder, search for an answer, those who have made up their mind.
one way or the other remain firm in their opinion.
Trying to prove an article of faith, ain't gonn'a happen.
 
Victor said:
It is totally impossible to know if angels exist--unless you are in heaven and meet one. St. Thomas Aquinas who some Catholics say is an authority, believed strongly in angels that are in heaven near Jesus and God---but they are not intended to travel to earth
and be with humans. That's in the movies and television. No angels among us, as the song goes: do not depend on one to protect you.
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Who Said!
 
fancicoffee13 said:
I have read all these posts and respect each ones's right to believe as you want. I however, believe in God and His son, Jesus Christ. I start my day everyday by listening to Joel Osteen on TBN and then read a devotional. I choose to do this and I believe there are huge blessings, protections, and favor from God because I read His Word, the Bible, and believe me, when I chose to make this a daily habit and other habits among this choice, I have seen miracles, blessings and much more in my life! Really. So, I like this forum for seniors and am sometimes amazed, enlightened and more.
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"Royalties from Joel Osteen's book sales, radio show, public speaking fees, and church collection reportedly generate $55 million per year. He and his wife, co-pastor Victoria Osteen, live with their two kids in a $10.5 million mansion in the Houston suburbs. Osteen's net worth is reported as $40 million."
ALL true servants of God deserve a $10.5 million mansion...and a $54 million private jet.

"Kiss the relics and loosen up your purse." - The Pardoner, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, circa 1380 A.D.

"Salvation: The world's 2nd oldest profession...and no more reputable than the 1st." - Jan Stephen Hadley
 
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My mother was an English literature teacher. While you guys were playing sandlot baseball, I had to watch "The Tempest" on the Hallmark Hall of Fame, read the abridged version of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales (I particularly liked The Pardoner's Tale)and was introduced at a young age to Ayn Rand via Atlas Shrugged. The rest of my "formal education" has been self-taught. "Education is your life long personal responsibility." - Mom...who red-penciled corrections on every note I ever wrote.
 
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