Who Won't Opt For The Vaccine

Rosemarie said:
In Britain, they are giving it to old people first. Personally, I think they are using them as guinea pigs. Old folks are expendable, so they are trying it out on them because if they all drop dead....well, no loss!
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Rosemarie, doesn't it make more sense to drop the paranoia about this and just look at the more likely reason: They are giving it to old people first because old people are much more likely to die from it?

Many of the young people carrying the virus don't even know they have it. They are asymptomatic. Enormous numbers of the old folks are dying from it. The older they get, the more likely it is to be fatal.

Personally, I'd love to be one of those "guinea pigs!"
 

Fiona said:
I can understand the concern about how fast the vaccine has been developed, how few people it has been tested on, and how short a period of time those receiving the vaccine have been followed for potential side effects. We will each make an individual choice about whether to receive the vaccine. As I have stated before, I have followed the medical literature on the development and testing of the various vaccines (there is no one vaccine, but multiple candidates). I am prepared to take the risk, myself, when a solidly-researched vaccine is approved by the FDA and becomes available for seniors. I am prepared to be made sick by it for a little while. That is my personal choice, based not on any fear of contracting the disease myself, but from my desire to do my part to help bring an end to the intense suffering of all of humanity due to excess deaths, widespread & devastating mourning, and economic consequences jn the form, for example, of a huge spike in worldwide hunger & starvation. Not to mention the emotional toll on all of us due to isolation and lack of contact with family & friends.

However, as a retired physician, I am appalled to see these other doctors calling COVID-19 "a hoax" and denying the existence of the global pandemic. The term "hoax" implies that there is some group of people that stands to benefit from promulgating disinformation on such a massive scale. In other words, a conspiracy. I just can't see the logic, let alone the feasibility, of such a widespread conspiracy. That's a patently ridiculous idea.

How many people need to die, how many hospitals & nursing homes need to be overwhelmed, how many health professionals need to be dropping from overwork & PTSD, for these doctors to be convinced? This is a very, very tiny minority of physicians worldwide who are spouting this nonsense. I did not see one of them admitting to being on the frontlines of dealing with these very ill patients. One of them is only board-certified in psychiatry!

Please don't let the COVID-deniers, no matter what their degrees, influence decisions that affect other human beings. If you choose to wait for more data about the vaccine, or refuse it altogether, that is your choice. But we DO need to all work together through the recommended public health measures to combat this deadly virus. There IS no hoax, no conspiracy of disinformation, about this brutal pandemic, It is REAL.
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Most physicians and retired physicians are reluctant to say anything negative about prescription drugs, medical procedures, medical tests or vaccines. That's why it is important to hear the other side from the few physicians who are willing to.
 
A trial for a vaccine by Uni of Queensland and CSL has been scrapped because is has been found to throw up some false positives for HIV. I think we should trust that the process to ensure a safe and reliable vaccine is working.
 

This might clarify how the process of developing a working vaccine for coronavirus could lead to false positives for HIV

In a statement issued on Friday morning, CSL said “following consultation with the Australian government, CSL will not progress the vaccine candidate to phase 2/3 clinical trials”.

The Covid-19 “spike protein” has been the focus of the University of Queensland vaccine, using molecular clamp technology to lock the protein into a shape which allows the immune system to be able to recognise and then neutralise the virus.

Covid’s spike proteins, like most surface viral proteins, are fairly unstable. To ensure that the vaccine induced the right immune response, the clamp chosen comprises two fragments of a protein found in HIV, as those fragments provided the greatest stability to the vaccine. Adding those fragments to the spike protein is completely harmless.

Trial participants were advised of the possibility that vaccine-induced HIV antibodies might be detected as a result, but it was nonetheless unexpected. Subsequent HIV tests provided definitive negative results in the trial participants.

While the HIV tests were false positives and there was no risk to the trial participants, significant changes would need to be made to well-established HIV testing procedures to accommodate rollout of this vaccine, the researchers said. The Phase 1 trial will continue, where further analysis of the data will show how long the antibodies persist.

More here: Australia terminates University of Queensland vaccine deal with CSL after false positives for HIV | Coronavirus | The Guardian
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I couldn't get the video to play. If its touting this virus isn't real, I'm not wasting my time on it.


Fiona said:
I can understand the concern about how fast the vaccine has been developed, how few people it has been tested on, and how short a period of time those receiving the vaccine have been followed for potential side effects. We will each make an individual choice about whether to receive the vaccine. As I have stated before, I have followed the medical literature on the development and testing of the various vaccines (there is no one vaccine, but multiple candidates). I am prepared to take the risk, myself, when a solidly-researched vaccine is approved by the FDA and becomes available for seniors. I am even prepared to be made sick by it for a little while. That is my personal choice, based not on any fear of contracting the disease myself, but from my desire to do my part to help bring an end to the intense suffering of all of humanity due to excess deaths, widespread & devastating mourning, and economic consequences jn the form, for example, of a huge spike in worldwide hunger & starvation. Not to mention the emotional toll on all of us due to isolation and lack of contact with family & friends.

However, as a retired physician, I am appalled to see these other doctors calling COVID-19 "a hoax" and denying the existence of the global pandemic. The term "hoax" implies that there is some group of people that stands to benefit from promulgating disinformation on such a massive scale. In other words, a conspiracy. I just can't see the logic, let alone the feasibility, of such a widespread conspiracy. That's a patently ridiculous idea.

How many people need to die, how many hospitals & nursing homes need to be overwhelmed, how many health professionals need to be dropping from overwork & PTSD, for these doctors to be convinced? This is a very, very tiny minority of physicians worldwide who are spouting this nonsense. I did not see a single one of the doctors in that video admitting to being on the frontlines of dealing with these very ill patients. One of them is only board-certified in psychiatry!

Please don't let the COVID-deniers, no matter what their degrees, influence decisions that affect other human beings. If you choose to wait for more data about the vaccine, or refuse it altogether, that is your choice. But we DO need to all work together through the recommended public health measures to combat this deadly virus. There IS no hoax, no conspiracy of disinformation, about this brutal pandemic, It is REAL.
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Furryanimal said:
Two health workers in Britain have suffered anaphylactic shock after receiving the first dose of the vaccine,
Now anyone who suffers from food allergies or has ever experienced an adverse reaction to a medication or vaccine is being advised against having it.
You would think they might have been aware of this before they started vaccinating.
So this advice means I no longer have to think about if I will have it.I can’t have it.
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Well, this makes my decision much easier for now.
Just say NO.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I see traveling plus the rest in the statement, although I will never attend an indoor theater again, I might, once I have the vaccine eat at a restaurant that observes social distance rules. I think a movie or a play or a concert would be too big a risk with the amount of people who do not get vaccinated.

I can imagine any vaccination card could be and will be forged.
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Yeah, but I'll bet there'll be an online database which can be crosschecked to detect fraudsters.
 
win231 said:
Most physicians and retired physicians are reluctant to say anything negative about prescription drugs, medical procedures, medical tests or vaccines. That's why it is important to hear the other side from the few physicians who are willing to.
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I agree, Win. The medical profession tends to band together, often in support of the motives of Big Pharma and Big Insurance. That is nothing new. I take no issue with what the doctors in that video said about the vaccine. They have a right to speak out if they are concerned about ill effects of the vaccine. However, physicians who claim that the virus is a hoax, that there is no global pandemic, should be condemned for causing harm with their words.
 
debodun said:
Another customer at the garage where I took my car for inspection was saying that they inject a tracking chip in you when you get the shot. Truth? Urban legend? Who knows?
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And why would the ubiquitous but never defined "they" want to do that?

Where's my tinfoil hat? It's getting pretty battered from being worn so much this last year, but still serviceable, and, clearly, still needed.
 
Furryanimal said:
Two health workers in Britain have suffered anaphylactic shock after receiving the first dose of the vaccine,
Now anyone who suffers from food allergies or has ever experienced an adverse reaction to a medication or vaccine is being advised against having it.
You would think they might have been aware of this before they started vaccinating.
So this advice means I no longer have to think about if I will have it.I can’t have it.
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What I read is that anyone who has experienced severe allergies to the components of this vaccine shouldn't get it. Big difference. Just because you are allergic to one thing doesn't mean you are allergic to everything.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Here's a thought: what if everybody who refuses the vaccine cannot buy food, cannot be employed, cannot get an education?
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Cannot buy food? That's a hell of a stretch. Can't be employed in certain places? I've worked in placed where getting the flu vaccine (or a doctor's certificate as to why you can't) was a condition of employment; and in many (if not all) areas of the US vaccinations are required to enroll children in school.

So what's new?
 
Fiona said:
I can understand the concern about how fast the vaccine has been developed, how few people it has been tested on, and how short a period of time those receiving the vaccine have been followed for potential side effects. We will each make an individual choice about whether to receive the vaccine. As I have stated before, I have followed the medical literature on the development and testing of the various vaccines (there is no one vaccine, but multiple candidates). I am prepared to take the risk, myself, when a solidly-researched vaccine is approved by the FDA and becomes available for seniors. I am even prepared to be made sick by it for a little while. That is my personal choice, based not on any fear of contracting the disease myself, but from my desire to do my part to help bring an end to the intense suffering of all of humanity due to excess deaths, widespread & devastating mourning, and economic consequences jn the form, for example, of a huge spike in worldwide hunger & starvation. Not to mention the emotional toll on all of us due to isolation and lack of contact with family & friends.

However, as a retired physician, I am appalled to see these other doctors calling COVID-19 "a hoax" and denying the existence of the global pandemic. The term "hoax" implies that there is some group of people that stands to benefit from promulgating disinformation on such a massive scale. In other words, a conspiracy. I just can't see the logic, let alone the feasibility, of such a widespread conspiracy. That's a patently ridiculous idea.

How many people need to die, how many hospitals & nursing homes need to be overwhelmed, how many health professionals need to be dropping from overwork & PTSD, for these doctors to be convinced? This is a very, very tiny minority of physicians worldwide who are spouting this nonsense. I did not see a single one of the doctors in that video admitting to being on the frontlines of dealing with these very ill patients. One of them is only board-certified in psychiatry!

Please don't let the COVID-deniers, no matter what their degrees, influence decisions that affect other human beings. If you choose to wait for more data about the vaccine, or refuse it altogether, that is your choice. But we DO need to all work together through the recommended public health measures to combat this deadly virus. There IS no hoax, no conspiracy of disinformation, about this brutal pandemic, It is REAL.
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Thank you!!
 
The pandemic is fake? What alternative reality is that? As of this evening, I have said phone goodbyes to six vets hospitalised with Corona. All are dead now. In less than a week. It’s a cluster **** because a bunch of them live in a trailer park in a hot zone on the mainland. There are at least ten more in quarantine, and four more admitted to hospital as of yesterday. Also, last month, I lost two local vets. Yeah, this plague is real, alright.
 
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Butterfly said:
What I read is that anyone who has experienced severe allergies to the components of this vaccine shouldn't get it. Big difference. Just because you are allergic to one thing doesn't mean you are allergic to everything.
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That’s not how it was reported and as I suffered temporary paralysis after the Polio vaccine ( this reaction is well documented)I will be seeking advice before taking it.
My take all along has been I will take it if it is safe.And I don’t care how many people were involved in the trials it’s still been rushed and problems often appear despite vaccines being approved.Swine flu circa 1976 being one.
As I am in the seventh cohort that will be called in I have a couple of months to hold a watching brief.What I don’t want is to be forced into it by stealth.
 
Shalimar said:
The pandemic is fake? What alternative reality is that? As of this evening, I have said phone goodbyes to six vets hospitalised with Corona. All are dead now. In less than a week. It’s a cluster **** because a bunch of them live in a trailer park in a hot zone on the mainland. There are at least ten more in quarantine, and four more admitted to hospital as of yesterday. Also, last month, I lost two local vets. Yeah, this plague is real, alright.
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I never believed Covid is fake or a hoax. I believe the fatality rate is exaggerated. And the takeaway of that information (for me) is not to rush to get the vaccine; it may not be worth the risk.
 
Furryanimal said:
And I don’t care how many people were involved in the trials it’s still been rushed and problems often appear despite vaccines being approved.
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It’s not really like there was a choice. People are suffering and dying. The economy has to get back on track.

If someone like you knows they’ve had issues, not taking it right away or ever is wise.
 
win231 said:
People who can't wait to get the "miracle" vaccine need to remember one important point: You can't "Untake" a vaccine once you get it.
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I want to know what is in the vaccine we in the US will be getting.
Hope it's not like this one.

"Australian vaccine scientist Nikolai Petrovsky had warned the government about the risk of including HIV in a vaccine months before the $1billion deal was signed.

He said the problem with the use of HIV was clear in the 'hamster and mouse data' but his advice was ignored."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ronavirus-vaccine-sensationally-SCRAPPED.html
 
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