Doc wont see patients if no vax

Sunny said:
Pauline, I'm sure you mean well, but please work on improving your "research" techniques before spreading any more lies being generated by the lunatic fringe. You could be doing immeasurable harm by spreading false gossip.

Win, your posts on this subject are getting more and more ridiculous as time goes one. The wrong syringe, really? 😁
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Your opinion is worth the price you charged for it. 😁
 

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Butterfly said:
The matter has already been decided by the Supreme Court.

The 1905 Supreme Court decision in the case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who had refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty), whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others." The Supreme Court explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in Jacobson, where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand."
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very interesting
 
Everybody that enters our hospital has put on one of their disposable masks.

Butterfly said:
In the clinic mentioned, the masks are kept sterile and handed to you by a nurse wearing gloves and a mask. You either wear their mask or you don't get past the front security desk.
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They have gloves and a mask and use tongs to take them out of the new package. They’re picked up by the elastics.
 

Pauline1954 said:
Seems like major changes happening for the people and forced vaccinations. When the CDC tell their employees they have to vac to keep their job as well as FDA telling along with congress and the like Lets not forget the CEO of Pfizer isnt getting the vax either. He says he's not frontline and it isnt needed and hes saying his shot for someone else. 🙄 . I think I will do what they are doing. Besides it would probably harm me or kill me. Because two,of my children are suffering with illness and pain they cant determine what it is. So not for me. Its not safe from everything Ive learned. And I did a ton of research to come to this decision.
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From FactCheck.org:

"The CEO of Pfizer posted a photo of himself getting the second shot of the COVID-19 vaccine on March 10. But an Aug. 5 tweet from Newsmax reporter Emerald Robinson misleadingly suggested he isn’t vaccinated. She updated the tweet hours later, acknowledging the CEO’s post — but after her claim had spread, uncorrected, on other social media."

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-pfizer-ceo-got-the-covid-19-vaccine/
 
Sunny said:
Pauline, I'm sure you mean well, but please work on improving your "research" techniques before spreading any more lies being generated by the lunatic fringe. You could be doing immeasurable harm by spreading false gossip.

Win, your posts on this subject are getting more and more ridiculous as time goes one. The wrong syringe, really? 😁
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Did I say wrong syringe? 🤔 did i even post the picture?
 
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Murrmurr said:
It won't surprise me if multiple cases hit the Supreme Court within a few years. Stands to reason, imo.
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I expect court cases, too; after all, we're extremely litigious about everything even if the cases are frivolous. However, we need to note that employers practically "own" employees. If there are no violations of state or federal laws, employers can do whatever they please. And in "right to work" states they can fire people for any reason or no reason without even giving a reason unless there's a contract with stipulations about this.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
I expect court cases, too; after all, we're extremely litigious about everything even if the cases are frivolous. However, we need to note that employers practically "own" employees. If there are no violations of state or federal laws, employers can do whatever they please. And in "right to work" states they can fire people for any reason or no reason without even giving a reason unless there's a contract with stipulations about this.
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Im wondering about liability on companies that coerce the employees to get the vac to keep their job but end up injuried or dead? Because the vaccinations are still in a trial period until 2023. But someone mentioned its 2025. But i havent checked. It just crossed my mind and posing the thought.
 
What I can't understand is why anyone would mind wearing a mask. I wear mine when I go any place with high traffic like the supermarket and I forget I even have it on until someone gets upset about it. Just a few days ago a woman caught my eye in Kroger and made a mad face and started shaking her head at me. I wanted to ask her how my mask was hurting her, but I didn't want to start something that would end up on Twitter.

I think one thing was made clear last year. Masks help keep us from spreading lots of contagious diseases. Last year there was a record low in ordinary flu cases! Even if Covid didn't exist, the decrease in the number of flu deaths would have been worth masking to me.
 
Della said:
What I can't understand is why anyone would mind wearing a mask. I wear mine when I go any place with high traffic like the supermarket and I forget I even have it on until someone gets upset about it. Just a few days ago a woman caught my eye in Kroger and made a mad face and started shaking her head at me. I wanted to ask her how my mask was hurting her, but I didn't want to start something that would end up on Twitter.

I think one thing was made clear last year. Masks help keep us from spreading lots of contagious diseases. Last year there was a record low in ordinary flu cases! Even if Covid didn't exist, the decrease in the number of flu deaths would have been worth masking to me.
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The number of flu cases always varies from season to season, and for many reasons. It really has nothing to do with masks.
In 2018, I was hospitalized for 8 days for Sepsis (caused by a dentist's incompetent root canal). It was flu season & it was reported that there were "Many Many" cases. When I got to the ER, there were mask dispensers everywhere, but not a single doctor, nurse, or hospital employee wore a mask. I was in Intensive Care for 3 days. No one wore a mask. When they moved me to a regular room, again - not one person wore a mask, not even the nurses who came in & took blood every 2 hours.
I did ask one nurse why no one wore a mask. She just smiled & rolled her eyes.

The only person who wore a mask was my sister, who drove me to the hospital.
 
Pauline1954 said:
Im wondering about liability on companies that coerce the employees to get the vac to keep their job but end up injuried or dead? Because the vaccinations are still in a trial period until 2023. But someone mentioned its 2025. But i havent checked. It just crossed my mind and posing the thought.
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I don't understand what you mean by a trial period, Pauline. Can you please explain?

There are ongoing trials for young children with the hope of emergency authorization by the end of the year; there are trials for mixing vaccines; there probably will be trials for new variants. But Pfizer has full authorization in the U.S. for people above the age of 16 and Moderna has submitted its paperwork for full authorization for adults. J&J will be following soon. After that the paperwork will be submitted by Pfizer for full authorization for children 12-16. A specific number of months have to pass between emergency use authorization and full authorization and a lot more paperwork needs to be submitted and gone through. But these aren't trials.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
I don't understand what you mean by a trial period, Pauline. Can you please explain?

There are ongoing trials for young children with the hope of emergency authorization by the end of the year; there are trials for mixing vaccines; there probably will be trials for new variants. But Pfizer has full authorization in the U.S. for people above the age of 16 and Moderna has submitted its paperwork for full authorization for adults. J&J will be following soon. After that the paperwork will be submitted by Pfizer for full authorization for children 12-16. A specific number of months have to pass between emergency use authorization and full authorization and a lot more paperwork needs to be submitted and gone through. But these aren't trials.
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The pfizer vax being used right now is still under EUD. COMIRNATY has not even gone into production here in the US. The EUD is the one Im specifically talking about. Frankly, i dont think it will be released. Ive read in all my digging because it would not have protection and would no longer be under the umbrella act. Which protects drug companies from being sued for harm. But thats a legal thing and havent gone as far as I want. The vax being used now was not approved. "A"generic drug was approved for the 1st covid 19 vaccination. I have to pay attention to how its worded. Its very important not assume when reading stuff like this. There is a lot of EUD in supply from what it sounds like they want to use it up. Probably to get paid for it before production for comirnaty is started. Some of these little tidbits ive heard said from the inventor of the mNRA Dr Robert Malone in interviews. But here are a couple link to check out. Ive skimmed and read these two links. These pages have links on links which is a rabbit hole. Ive been down some and find you are reading far more than you'd ever ask for. 😨


HEADLINES should never be taken at face value. SomI do try and read the links or get some,what of a grasp at what is the story.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

https://www.fda.gov/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
 
Ive got to say I used to think masks helped a lot. And I had a sense of protection. I was wrong.

If I can find the link on a demostration of the 3 sizes of droplets that can be projected through a sneeze and cough I will post it. But the first two were large enough for larger droplets for the to mask help. The the aerosol goes through all cloth masks. Its very eye opening. And really only gives a false sense of protection security. 😭 But I still wear one when I feel I want the to feel safe. 😶 just run fast from people that sneeze. People do walk and cough but to sneeze you need to stop still. So those are the ones we need to stay away from. But standing without masks face to face and or bending down speaking into someone ear is enough to absorb their fluids from aerosol spray from their mouths.
And aerosol spray from the mouth is a mist so fine its like mist on eyeglasses.

If i find it I will post it.

Have a great evening.🙋‍♀️
 
Pauline1954 said:
Ive got to say I used to think masks helped a lot. And I had a sense of protection. I was wrong.

If I can find the link on a demostration of the 3 sizes of droplets that can be projected through a sneeze and cough I will post it. But the first two were large enough for larger droplets for the to mask help. The the aerosol goes through all cloth masks. Its very eye opening. And really only gives a false sense of protection security. 😭 But I still wear one when I feel I want the to feel safe. 😶 just run fast from people that sneeze. People do walk and cough but to sneeze you need to stop still. So those are the ones we need to stay away from. But standing without masks face to face and or bending down speaking into someone ear is enough to absorb their fluids from aerosol spray from their mouths.
And aerosol spray from the mouth is a mist so fine its like mist on eyeglasses.

If i find it I will post it.

Have a great evening.🙋‍♀️
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"If i find it I will post it."
no, no, no Pauline, even if you find it, please do us a favour and keep it to yourself.
 
Pauline1954 said:
Ive got to say I used to think masks helped a lot. And I had a sense of protection. I was wrong.

If I can find the link on a demostration of the 3 sizes of droplets that can be projected through a sneeze and cough I will post it. But the first two were large enough for larger droplets for the to mask help. The the aerosol goes through all cloth masks. Its very eye opening. And really only gives a false sense of protection security. 😭 But I still wear one when I feel I want the to feel safe. 😶 just run fast from people that sneeze. People do walk and cough but to sneeze you need to stop still. So those are the ones we need to stay away from. But standing without masks face to face and or bending down speaking into someone ear is enough to absorb their fluids from aerosol spray from their mouths.
And aerosol spray from the mouth is a mist so fine its like mist on eyeglasses.

If i find it I will post it.

Have a great evening.🙋‍♀️
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"If i find it I will post it."

Thank you Pauline, the information is appreciated. All information should be shared, its up to the person reading to decide if its important to them or not, its just to bad that there are some here that can't comment without being snarky or hateful. I was posting information regarding the vaccines and breakthrough cases and deaths and was accused of causing stress and panic and drama. :rolleyes:

I stopped posting articles. But now? Why should I let the snarks and haters replies run me off? I'm back! Don't let them run you off. 🌹
 
Pauline1954 said:
Im wondering about liability on companies that coerce the employees to get the vac to keep their job but end up injuried or dead? Because the vaccinations are still in a trial period until 2023. But someone mentioned its 2025. But i havent checked. It just crossed my mind and posing the thought.
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because it is considered part of work any effects would be likely covered under workmen's comp.that is the general legal consensus

workmen’s comp keeps employers from being sued for work related events that are not directly their fault.

70% of side effects usually show up in the first 15 minutes so , so far it has not been an issue
 
Becky1951 said:
"If i find it I will post it."

Thank you Pauline, the information is appreciated. All information should be shared, its up to the person reading to decide if its important to them or not, its just to bad that there are some here that can't comment without being snarky or hateful. I was posting information regarding the vaccines and breakthrough cases and deaths and was accused of causing stress and panic and drama. :rolleyes:

I stopped posting articles. But now? Why should I let the snarks and haters replies run me off? I'm back! Don't let them run you off. 🌹
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I cant. I find something that could be valuable or help someone or pquestions me on my source or point. so I will share it.
🤗
 
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

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THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH: MODERN VERSION​

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
 
Irwin said:
Woman said she is an RN with 2 kids, told the Lee County FL Sch Bd last night: “You are all demonic entities. All of us christians are sticking together to take you all out. These doctors that were sneering at us like we’re scumbags, they need to go back to f*cking med school.”
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Good for her. She is right. Wow, Florida school board meetings are a battleground.
They need to get parents on those school boards to replace those terrible people trying to abuse all their children.
Ultimately, all funds for schools should be determined only by the parent's and family's choices of where they choose to have their children go to school, and whoever the school board members are should be determined only by the parents, not anyone else.
 


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