Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Autumn72 said:
I was told by a man that the word hope is a empty word...that hope does not help anyone with reality.
World War 3 I feel as this Chinese covid19 is meant to bring ah weaken USA etc. To be able for Russia and China to hold hands in the downfall of USA ETC. AS has shown the elimination of way too many people is a kind of help to make more room it seems why hospitals are overgrown with covid-19 patients dying as 911 is called and you realize oh THE ERS are booked up. So you wait 5 hours. Now if i call a private ambulance the cost $18 000 I receive better treatment. Facts on my bill statement. 2021.
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I love the word hope. It means so much in this world of uncertainty to be inspired by hope. Sometimes it's all we have. Whoever that man Was, he is mistaken. Hope is A great treasure upon which we can draw from to help us along our paths.
 

Tish said:
I came across this in my Youtube feed.

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One thing left out is China is Ukraine's largest trading partner and China is spending billions in Ukraine for land and infrastructure improvements to Ukraine's deep water ports. Thus it could be stated that China would not want Russia to invade Ukraine.

However, Nordstream 2 weakens Ukraine's position and ability to collect transit fees for natural gas. This places Ukraine into needing financing, which creates a bigger opening for China's Belt and Road initiative.

NATO is clearly signaling that Ukraine will never be a part of the Western Alliance, which ultimately is the goal of both China and Russia, imo.
 

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The top Kremlin mouthpieces on Russian state TV think that now is the perfect time for President Vladimir Putin to sit for an interview on Fox News.

For many months, translated clips of Fox News host Tucker Carlson have been making the rounds on Russian state television, delighting hosts, pundits and experts with their pro-Russian slant. Some of the top propagandists even worried out loud that Carlson’s apparent pro-Kremlin bias might result in him being “marginalized” or silenced.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-interview-with-putin-demanded-by-margarita-simonyan

 
We all know Russia wants Ukraine. What bothers me is that China wants Taiwan and in both cases the US is in the way. Also, both these countries hate that the worlds currency is the dollar. If China shuts off exports to the US we would be in a pinch financially and have a hard time maintaining our military.

Something to ponder.

Also, it's interesting that some of my engineering software updates from both Russia & China :oops:
 
Why a kindergarten and a children's hospital? Sounds like false flags to me. Fighting between between Kyiv's forces and pro-Russian separatists gives Putin an excuse to move in.

"In the past few weeks, U.S. officials have warned several times that Russia plans to create the appearance of an attack on its own forces and broadcast those images to the world.

Such a “false flag” operation, they alleged, would give Russia the pretext to invade Ukraine by provoking shock and outrage."

What's causes more outrage than children under attack?

https://news.yahoo.com/false-flag-attacks-could-russia-211233327.html
 
1955 said:
We all know Russia wants Ukraine. What bothers me is that China wants Taiwan and in both cases the US is in the way. Also, both these countries hate that the worlds currency is the dollar. If China shuts off exports to the US we would be in a pinch financially and have a hard time maintaining our military.

Something to ponder.

Also, it's interesting that some of my engineering software updates from both Russia & China :oops:
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Why would China shut off exports to the US ? The American market is a major source of revenue for them. And that revenue funds their military. Our military is funded primarily through the federal reserve bank.
 
Murrmurr said:
Why would China shut off exports to the US ?
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Even though at one time our military machine was supposed to use all American components this is no longer the case. Both Russia & China would love nothing more than to see our dominance falter so Russia and China can take Ukraine and Taiwan, respectively. Hopefully I’m wrong but China could interrupt our military supply chain (rare earth elements & electronics) to such a degree we might not be able to defend these countries and they could move in. Both Russia & China working together could give us a run for the money.

It’s just a hypothesis on my part.
 
1955 said:
Even though at one time our military machine was supposed to use all American components this is no longer the case. Both Russia & China would love nothing more than to see our dominance falter so Russia and China can take Ukraine and Taiwan, respectively. Hopefully I’m wrong but China could interrupt our military supply chain (rare earth elements & electronics) to such a degree we might not be able to defend these countries and they could move in. Both Russia & China working together could give us a run for the money.

It’s just a hypothesis on my part.
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I've read that part of the discussion (a month or 2 ago) between US and Taiwan centered around Taiwan's capabilities for manufacturing computer chips (they can and do) as well as the type of components you alluded to (unnamed in the article, but probably military).

Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see, but there's a 100% likelihood that serious discussions are taking place and being kept secret (imo). I'm not overly concerned yet.
 
A journalist has punched a pro-Russian politician in the face on live TV in Ukraine and put him in a headlock in front of the former prime minister in a debate over Vladimir Putin.

The shocking brawl broke out between lawmaker Nestor Shufrych from the pro-Russian party Opposition Platform - For Life, and journalist Yuriy Butusov.

The politician was attacked by his fellow guest after he refused to condemn Vladimir Putin, as Russian troops amasses troops on the border for a potential invasion.

See the video of all the action here....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ian-hit-face-headlock-journalist-live-TV.html
 
hollydolly said:
A journalist has punched a pro-Russian politician in the face on live TV in Ukraine and put him in a headlock in front of the former prime minister in a debate over Vladimir Putin.

The shocking brawl broke out between lawmaker Nestor Shufrych from the pro-Russian party Opposition Platform - For Life, and journalist Yuriy Butusov.

The politician was attacked by his fellow guest after he refused to condemn Vladimir Putin, as Russian troops amasses troops on the border for a potential invasion.

See the video of all the action here....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ian-hit-face-headlock-journalist-live-TV.html
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Holy Cow! 😲
 
1955 said:
We all know Russia wants Ukraine. What bothers me is that China wants Taiwan and in both cases the US is in the way. Also, both these countries hate that the worlds currency is the dollar. If China shuts off exports to the US we would be in a pinch financially and have a hard time maintaining our military.

Something to ponder.

Also, it's interesting that some of my engineering software updates from both Russia & China :oops:
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The USA does not recognize secession and fought a war to maintain unity in the 1860s. Thus, no surprise that Russia and China want what is rightfully theirs. Taiwan is Chinese and has no right to declare itself free of China. Donbas is majority Russian. In fact at one time it was called "the heart of Russia". Both government have a right to take what is theirs. The USA has no business sticking its war profit seeking nose in any of this.
 
Russia..has invaded Ukraine, UK health secretary Sajid Javid said this morning, after Russian tanks, armoured vehicles and trucks were seen rolling into eastern regions overnight following Putin's orders to deploy on what he described as 'peacekeeping' missions.

A column of armoured vehicles was spotted in Donetsk, the main city of one of the two so-called 'republics', in the early hours of this morning. No insignia were visible on the vehicles, but there is little doubt they are Russian forces deployed on Putin's orders.

At the same time, Ukraine said heavy shelling broke out along nearly all 250 miles of its frontline with the breakaway provinces, leaving two of its soldiers dead and 12 injured in a major escalation in violence.

'We are waking up to a very dark day in Europe,' Javid said early Tuesday. 'We have seen that Putin has recognised breakaway eastern regions in Ukraine and from the reports we can already tell that he has sent in tanks and troops. From that you can conclude that the invasion of Ukraine has begun.'

Prime Minister Boris Johnson, speaking moments later, said a 'first barrage of UK economic sanctions against Russia' will be revealed today - though stopped short of calling last night's move an 'invasion', saying instead that Putin is 'bent on a full scale invasion.'

Before Putin's order, world leaders including Joe Biden and Boris Johnson had made it clear that any Russian incursion, no matter how limited, into Ukrainian territory would be considered a fresh invasion and spark an unprecedented flurry of sanctions.

But the word 'invasion' was barely mentioned overnight and action was limited. Joe Biden banned all new US trade with the breakaway regions but stopped far short of the 'swift and decisive' response that had been threatened. White House spokesman Jen Psaki promised more sanctions will follow later today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...isis-Invasion-begun-Sajid-Javid-declares.html
 
Putin's ultimate plan is to rule Europe. All of Europe. Not saying he'll succeed, but he'd love to. It might end up like in 1984 Russia gets Europe; China gets Asia; US gets the Americas; and Africa gets shared.

I just depressed myself. Hate those oligarchs.
 
hollydolly said:
Russia..has invaded Ukraine, UK health secretary Sajid Javid said this morning, after Russian tanks, armoured vehicles and trucks were seen rolling into eastern regions overnight following Putin's orders to deploy on what he described as 'peacekeeping' missions.
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Yep, we can stop counting...

Not sure what the right thing for us to do now is. Letting Putin get away with more and more sure doesn't feel right. On the other hand I don't see this as quite analogous to Hitler and Poland. NATO can, and I believe would, stop Putin from going much further...

Still hoping for a peaceful end.
 
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