Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde Texas

The gun laws need to be tightened.
They need to be uniform national laws too. This can only be done with the co-operation of the states.
It will take either a great leader or many more dead children and senior citizens before that will happen.
Hell will probably freeze over before co-operation in the national interest will come about.
 

Then let's stop putting guns and other war-style weaponry in the hands of people whose mental status and motives we cannot determine.

So true.

You must be kidding. How about eliminating the weapons instead? We've got to stop the free flow of guns and rifles that wreak mass destruction. And yes, I consider 21 people in a classroom as an act of mass destruction.

When you find yourself in a deep hole the wisest first action is to stop digging.
Americans seem to think the best solutions involve bigger, more powerful shovels in larger quantities.
The reality is that guns are not going to be gotten rid of so some other methods need to be considered.
How long will it take before those extra guns are got rid of?
A decade, two decades? Not at all? So many more innocent children and adults will be slain.
That, I think is the sad reality
 

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When is enough enough? When is it the right time to attack the cancer of gun violence?
 
The reality is that guns are not going to be gotten rid of so some other methods need to be considered.
How long will it take before those extra guns are got rid of?
A decade, two decades?
Not at all? So many more innocent children and adults will be slain.
That, I think is the sad reality
It's been 23 years since the shooting at Columbine. If we'd taken serious action then, we'd be very unlikely to be having this conversation now.

If not now, when? This can keeps getting kicked down a road heavily greased with worthless "thoughts and prayers" and wringing of hands. Meantime, parents plan funerals and children get the wits frightened out of them with active shooter drills.

It's not that Americans value our guns more than our children, it's that many Americans value their guns over other people's children.
 
I'm all for the right to keep and bear arms. Many of us may live in dangerous neighborhoods and have a right to defend themselves, families, and homes, and a few still hunt ... BUT I see no need for assault rifles, or semi-automatics for that matter, other than in the hands of the police and military. BTW, for home defense a short barrel 20 gauge pump action shotgun is probably the best choice. Bullets can go through walls and kill a neighbor. That said, as we all know, if guns are outlawed, outlaws will still have guns.
 
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I think most of us would agree that these mass murderers are mentally ill. I would like to see the government order that all new gun purchasers give a sample of their DNA, which would be run through the federal database CODIS. If it comes back that the person is a felon, no gun.

Anyone that had been arrested for certain crimes, including; any crime where a weapon was used would eliminate that person being able to purchase a gun, including a domestic issue with a weapon being displayed.

I just don’t know how we can divide the crazies from those that are sane.
 
Just brainstorming. These shooters have romanticized themselves into thinking they’re ‘manly and tough and …’. Maybe it takes something like influencers to denigrate these macho concepts.
 
Just brainstorming. These shooters have romanticized themselves into thinking they’re ‘manly and tough and …’. Maybe it takes something like influencers to denigrate these macho concepts.
I think that is the way to go. We have a lot of work to do though. Mankind has been using "better" weapons to defeat their "enemy" for a whole lot of years. From the club to the atom bomb and all the paraphernalia in between. Plus all the movies with shooting and killing and 100's of violent video games. Our world has been living with this insane view for too long. Who is brave enough to stand against this. Quit promoting violence in everything you do.
 
They need to be uniform national laws too. This can only be done with the co-operation of the states.
It will take either a great leader or many more dead children and senior citizens before that will happen.
Hell will probably freeze over before co-operation in the national interest will come about.
Lack of uniform gun laws IMO is a major part of why gun ownership & use is a contributing factor in the use of guns in America.
 
Todays kids have been brainwashed into thinking that Violence is Normal. Movies, TV shows, video games, etc., etc., all seem to be centered around violence. Then, when they face some stress, they think that violence is the solution. Our media makes billions off such "entertainment", so they are unlikely to tone down all their violence.
 
It's looking more and more like there was a delay with police waiting 40 minutes to enter the building and the crowd which included some parents urging to the police to go in.

https://www.newser.com/story/321007...nter-classroom-where-kids-were-massacred.html

Don't know why or what happened other than they were waiting for a key(personally you bust the door open or they could've smashed/opened some windows). I thought the strategy with active shooters was/is to engage as soon as possible.
 
I think most of us would agree that these mass murderers are mentally ill. I would like to see the government order that all new gun purchasers give a sample of their DNA, which would be run through the federal database CODIS. If it comes back that the person is a felon, no gun.

Anyone that had been arrested for certain crimes, including; any crime where a weapon was used would eliminate that person being able to purchase a gun, including a domestic issue with a weapon being displayed.

I just don’t know how we can divide the crazies from those that are sane.
Felons are already monitored, and to my knowledge are barred from owning firearms.

Most all of these school shootings are done by children, no hard core felons storming in and murdering 4th graders. Young boys / men are poorly socialized, in my opinion. They need to know how to feel masculine without having the power of killing people at their finger tips.

Anyone familiar with the video games that [mostly boys, some girls] are playing? Well, they all involve blasting other players with all kinds of weapons. What do you think? https://www.ign.com/articles/the-best-100-video-games-of-all-time
 
From today's Washington Post:

Why Nothing Will Change After Uvalde
By Brian Broome

Nobody’s going to do anything, right? I’m betting you already know, in the wake of the deaths of 19 children at an elementary school in Texas, that nobody is going to do a single thing.
Oh, yes, for a while, people will stand behind microphones. Some will be sincere. There will be a vigil, maybe many vigils. Perhaps some balloons will be released into the air. But no one will do anything substantial about the reality that, in the United States, you can pick up a gun and mow down people for no reason.

The fact of the matter is that nobody has done anything since Columbine in 1999, or Virginia Tech in 2007, or Sandy Hook in 2012, or Parkland in 2018, and there’s virtually no chance that anyone is going to do anything now. It doesn’t matter that it’s children we’re talking about again. Nothing happened after innocent children were slaughtered the last time, or the time before that, and nothing is going to be done now. Nothing happens after it occurs in elementary schools, or grocery stores, college campuses or churches. Instead, we always defer to those whose fears outweigh others’ right to continue living.

The gun is a holy relic in America. A sacred talisman. More important than life itself.
We are living in a twisted version of “The Lottery,” the classic short story by Shirley Jackson. In the story, the residents of a small fictional town hurry about their day preparing for a big ceremony, which is slowly revealed to be a ritual human sacrifice. Death by stoning. Each year, someone is chosen at random to die, for the good of the town. So that the rest of the townspeople can feel safe. Perhaps so that their god can be appeased, or good crops can be enjoyed.


That’s where we live now. We live in a culture where human beings are randomly chosen to die so that those who feel unseen or who fear the unknown or just love guns don’t have to feel afraid.

But our sacrifices aren’t yearly. They’re daily. One right after the other. Unlike the characters in Jackson’s story, the people who die in our tale lost their humanity long ago and are immortalized only as statistics. Numbers to be added up.


Those of us who survive get to shake our heads and ask “Why?” while secretly just feeling lucky that it wasn’t us or someone we love who had to pay the price. This is also why nothing will be done. Because it didn’t affect us. We can push it out of our minds and say what a great tragedy it is. But we don’t have to do much else.
We won’t do anything because those among us who think their fears and their rights are the same thing hold all the cards. Because those who believe a boogeyman is lurking around every corner have agents walking the halls of our government to ensure that these shootings change nothing. We rarely note that most of these shooters are men who are angry and antisocial. And, unless we come up with a cure for angry and antisocial men and boys, these mass murders will continue.

We won’t do anything about this problem because we are not the land of the free and home of the brave that we think we are. We have that backward: America is the land of the fearful and trapped. We don’t feel our children are safe. We don’t think we can change this dreadful landscape. But we’ll watch politicians make speeches. We’ll see all the memes on social media and read all the opinion pieces from people like me. But, in the end, we’ll move on until there are new human sacrifices to make us forget about the old ones.
Because it’s important that the fearful feel safe. And we’re all fair game to be sacrificed.
 
Felons are already monitored, and to my knowledge are barred from owning firearms.

Most all of these school shootings are done by children, no hard core felons storming in and murdering 4th graders. Young boys / men are poorly socialized, in my opinion. They need to know how to feel masculine without having the power of killing people at their finger tips.

Anyone familiar with the video games that [mostly boys, some girls] are playing? Well, they all involve blasting other players with all kinds of weapons. What do you think? https://www.ign.com/articles/the-best-100-video-games-of-all-time
That's the thing there is a definite lack of coping skills in general. Not just social but practical as well. You have gangster want to bes shooting at their prey frequently hitting innocents and not even killing their actual target.

Some say teen violence is too many up start gangs/gangster want to bes trying to establish themselves ie there is no mafia type don keeping them in line because old school gangsters didn't want attention involving innocent bystanders bring. There is frequently the lack of a father as with this murderer as well.
 
How would a waiting period have prevented this?
More thorough background checks result in longer waiting periods. The main reason background checks are merely cursory is because people get pissed off over having to wait for their firearms sale to complete so they can take their purchase home.

imo, too-freaking-bad about the wait, but background checks are extremely important. They should be as thorough as possible. And the technology needs improvement so that background checks can be as thorough as possible.
 
More thorough background checks result in longer waiting periods. The main reason background checks are merely cursory is because people get pissed off over having to wait for their firearms sale to complete so they can take their purchase home.

imo, too-freaking-bad about the wait, but background checks are extremely important. They should be as thorough as possible. And the technology needs improvement so that background checks can be as thorough as possible.
I never minded the 10-day wait, even though it's rather silly. What's the purpose of making someone wait to take possession of a gun when they already have other guns? (if they intended to use a gun for a crime).
Here in CA, background checks are very detailed.
 
Just watched the news conf on Cnn, and boy the
jouno's were in their prime, they'd heard rumors of
cops not rushing in "quickly" enough, so they pummeled
the news presenter with accusations and questions...
amazing how these folks can come up with their own
conspiricies in attempting to cover a news conference.....
 
A question they could add is what address will the buyer be taking the gun home to. Reason being his grandfather was a convicted felon and could not possess a firearm. The killer's mother was a known drug addict and police were call to her home. She probably has some crime on her resume. Shouldn't have to pay for the sins of others but maybe those issues need extra scrutiny.

Should add since an 18 year old unless an active career criminal won't have much of a record to check except for drving record, maybe a store credit card.

Would giving access to an 18 year old gun buyers juvenile and/or high school records be too much?
 
I never minded the 10-day wait, even though it's rather silly. What's the purpose of making someone wait to take possession of a gun when they already have other guns? (if they intended to use a gun for a crime).
Here in CA, background checks are very detailed.
Good point. It's mainly just added security or assurance that certain individuals can't purchase a firearm, but as you and I know, if someone who wouldn't pass even a cursory background check wants a gun, he can get one through a gang member or steal one from a family member or a good citizen.
 


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