Cenegenics: Scam or Legitimate?

If a person wants to defy their age.....and even lengthen their years.....Go Vegan. No pills, No clinics, No injections, No scams. One often hears, "Thats extreme" It is NOT. The human diet that consumes animal body parts and secretions is extreme. We are brought up to believe its conventional, Therefore when its pointed out that its the single greatest detriment to health....We shun and scoff. Eliminate the consumption of animal products. It is the best and proven way to defy aging. An animal product diet accelerates the aging process..GREATLY.
 

"design" ?

Vivjen said:
Humans are designed to be omnivores.....not vegan.
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Respectfully..... That is simply not true. On the humourous side of the reply...... Can you track down the manufacturer of humans and get the original "design" model? :) Humans were not designed in a shoppe :) But that is irrelevant as to what "design" is, as opposed to what is ACTUALLY healthiest, and healthy therefore translates to reducing aging effects

You may have intended to suggest humans prefer animal product parts diets?..... But what is healthiest?

I have been Vegan since 1991. Initially as i grew up on an animal product diet, I found the Vegan diet "strange" Thats the resistance that convinces humans to say we were "designed" to eat animal body parts and secretions. Less than a few months into a Vegan diet, I now knew what was right and now feel repulsed by animal parts diets. Thats what carnivorous humans have a hard time understanding. You actually get to a point where you prefer a plant based diet and are physically repulsed by animal body parts diet as you reverse your desires.

Since you suggest i am "designed" to be an omnivore...After almost a quarter century of a Vegan diet.... I must be defying the manufacturers owners manual and i am suffering from neglect and improper care and upkeep ? :) Extremely to the contrary !!! Why do old friends i have not seen in years suggest i look 15 to 20 years less my age and why are they overweight, Diabetic, suffer from heart and lung ailments and pain from inflammation? which evoke my sympathy. Because they followed the "design" schedule as per the manufacturer? or would that be the marketing efforts of the factory farming (slaughterhouse) machine? Just a thought :)

I think suggesting we are "designed" to be omnivores just eases the mind of he or she that makes that claim to justify that "design" ..Instead of resisting a poor habit we are trained to believe is correct through societal pressure and factory farming big business who will LOSE untold wealth if people resisted their marketing efforts. I have always wondered why people vehemently resist...When the evidence is there that Vegans are VASTLY healthier and younger looking as a result and ENJOY the benefits. Its not extreme as i suggested before.... and as i said, A few months into a Vegan change.....And you will see how extreme that the consumption of animal body parts and secretions really is. You will. Take care :)
 
Some people, whether because of genetics or what-have-you, seem to be able to exist on unusual diets. There have been documented cases of people living for years on only one type of food.

That doesn't necessarily mean that it's healthy for you.

We may have been "designed" to be omnivores if you consider our dental layout - we have both carnivore and herbivore types of teeth. Further, some cultures and belief systems (such as Taoism) believe in a balance between meat and plants - Yang and Yin.
 
Just to add a point...... Some folks might resist a Vegan diet with the idea that they might be deprived. Again, You will find when being Vegan,...within a short period of time...You will prefer and not at all feel deprived. Those ideas of thinking of being deprived transform to preference...Particularly when you begin to feel and look better! ANYONE benefits being Vegan.
 
I'm new to the forum so forgive me if this is not the right spot. I'm a 66 year old man. I have had hypertension, high cholesterol, arthritis, a history of prostate cancer treated with surgery 15 years ago, obesity. From about age 58-60 I experienced a slow decline in the quality of my life. Low energy, nearly absent libido, lack of interest in anything. I tried anti depressants, no change.

I've seen the Cenegenics ads and thought "ridiculous". In August of 2014 I ponied up the money, saw their doc, got the lab work. My testosterone level was 280, less than the 300 level that is the usual benchmark. My exercise testing was terrible, even though I try to do aerobics 3 times weekly. My weight was 178, I'm 5'6". I started on the program- exercise involved more weights, gradually building up, less aerobics, and a switch to high intensity interval aerobis twice weekly.

The diet, essentially Paleo, limiting fruit to one serving per day for weight loss. Testosterone cypionate 50mg IM twice weekly, HCG twice weekly which prevents testicular shrinkage, multivitamins, DHEA 50mg every other day, fish oil, CQ10. Fast forward 8 months. I'm now at 150 pounds.

My strength is increased and I look pretty good (we went on a hike-tour in Maui recently, ending at a waterfall where we all went for a swim. There were 2 gals in their late 20's. On the way back they sat with my wife in the van. They asked how old i was. She told them and they said " wow, he looks really good!" I Idon't have my hearing aids in and did not hear it! Supreme irony!) Overall I feel great.

My HGA1C is now 4.5, it was 5.6 and climbing before the program. My cholesterol is 220 off meds. My BP is 124/68 off meds. My libido is great. At home, with work and all the pressures of everyday life we have sex 2-3 times per week, this from maybe once a month, because of me. On vacation, every day, sometimes twice a day. My 64 year old wife is not complaining!

A long post, but here it is: this is an expensive program and you could buy the pieces cheaper if you put the time into it. But I have 7 day a week access to my nutrtionist, exercise coach and doctor. My meds and supplements are shipped monthly. My labs are drawn at my home. I've had great results, and the only side effect has been a slight climb in my hemoglobin which I handle by donating blood every three months.

You could criticize every aspect of Cenegenics, from the ads to the cost, to getting testosterone levels to what they were when I was in my 30's. Have at it. But, notice how infrequent you see postings from Cenegenics clients who failed. It's a lot of work, it costs a bundle, and for someone like me it has been so worth it. I'm in for life, and the life I have now is immeasurably better than it was before.
 
Most people subscribe to a religion that promises an afterlife. If you believe that the afterlife is better than this one, why would you go to extreme lengths to stay here? I can't help picturing a fetus hanging on to the cord saying " No no, I won't go."
 
Yeah, well....

Sunfighter said:
Most people subscribe to a religion that promises an afterlife. If you believe that the afterlife is better than this one, why would you go to extreme lengths to stay here? I can't help picturing a fetus hanging on to the cord saying " No no, I won't go."
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Well, there are knowns and unknowns to consider. Unknowns: how long will I live, what will the last years of my life be like, what happens to me when I die? Knowns: every day I wake up is another glorious day. I want to feel the best I can, enjoy the time, my family, my work (and I am still working at 66 with no plans to retire as I enjoy what I do).

Am I going to extreme lengths to "stay here"? Not from my perspective. Having seen folks in there 80's and 90's go through chemo, open heart surgery, multiple joint replacements, etc., I think what I am doing is more akin to preventive maintenance. I see what those other folks have done as going to extreme lengths, but I am not in their shoes, and you can't be in mine.

What prompted me to post was the very strong criticism of Cenegenics by people with no exposure to the program other than the ads, the cost, and speculation. Find the message board full of disgruntled ex Cenegenics clients- good luck, it's not there. Are we all going to extreme lengths to stay here? I'm about to do what I do 4 to 5 days per week- walk two miles to the gym, work out for 45 minutes, go to Starbucks for an iced tea, walk home.

At the gym I see a lots of men and women my age, working to feel good, stay mobile, keep their weight down. Are we all going to extreme lengths to prolong our healthy lives? They would laugh and say, heck yeah, and do another set!!
 
In a theoretical sense these programs turn the patient/participant into a defacto junky. Any hormone or pro hormone program runs the risk of the body turning off it's own hormone supply making the person even more dependent. The extra hormones can fool the body into thinking it's producing enough on it's own and shut down production. Extra hormones work, no doubt. But many of the effects could have been achieved with basic nutrition and regular exercise through out life. I understand a lot of people might have already had a lot of problems but a lot them were probably from not paying attention to exercise or nutrition.

At least with protein and vitamin supplements there are ways to make that up with regular food. Hormones are a different story. So are a lot of these supplements. It's a personal choice. A lot of times when I observe the nutrition habits of Olympic or professional athletes I think I'm watching a junky get their fix. It's just seems like an exorbitant amount of time and focus on one's body.

I'd rather see it available to those who want it rather than banning it.
 
Some truth, faulty logic

WhatInThe said:
In a theoretical sense these programs turn the patient/participant into a defacto junky. Any hormone or pro hormone program runs the risk of the body turning off it's own hormone supply making the person even more dependent. The extra hormones can fool the body into thinking it's producing enough on it's own and shut down production. Extra hormones work, no doubt. But many of the effects could have been achieved with basic nutrition and regular exercise through out life. I understand a lot of people might have already had a lot of problems but a lot them were probably from not paying attention to exercise or nutrition.

At least with protein and vitamin supplements there are ways to make that up with regular food. Hormones are a different story. So are a lot of these supplements. It's a personal choice. A lot of times when I observe the nutrition habits of Olympic or professional athletes I think I'm watching a junky get their fix. It's just seems like an exorbitant amount of time and focus on one's body.

I'd rather see it available to those who want it rather than banning it.
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Most hormones produced naturally self regulate so the levels stay normal. Testosterone is one example. Thyroid is another, and many people have low levels as the gland wears out, for a variety of reasons. The body pumps out thyroid stimulating hormone in an attempt to get the thyroid to do its job, but it can't. Until you take a thyroid supplement, you won't have a normal level. All the good nutrition and exercise in the world won't help. Are these people hormone junkies? i think if you are a man in his 20's and taking testosterone to build muscle in the face of a normal testosterone level, you've got a problem. But, for older men with low levels, not so much. They are just not producing it like they did in the past. What the medical profession is split on is this: are the low levels, and all that goes with it-low libido, energy, depression, weight gain- a normal part of aging to be accepted, or, should the levels be normalized by giving testosterone, and by normalized I mean getting to levels they had in their 30's and 40's? Like anything, there are risks to taking hormones. But for me the risk/benefit analysis told me I'd rather do it and see. If I magically could chose 5 more years of life the way I feel now, or 10 like I was before, I'd gladly give up the extra 5. Quality of life counts. But to label me a junky? Strong words....
 
Betternow4sure said:
Most hormones produced naturally self regulate so the levels stay normal. Testosterone is one example. Thyroid is another, and many people have low levels as the gland wears out, for a variety of reasons. The body pumps out thyroid stimulating hormone in an attempt to get the thyroid to do its job, but it can't. Until you take a thyroid supplement, you won't have a normal level. All the good nutrition and exercise in the world won't help. Are these people hormone junkies? i think if you are a man in his 20's and taking testosterone to build muscle in the face of a normal testosterone level, you've got a problem. But, for older men with low levels, not so much. They are just not producing it like they did in the past. What the medical profession is split on is this: are the low levels, and all that goes with it-low libido, energy, depression, weight gain- a normal part of aging to be accepted, or, should the levels be normalized by giving testosterone, and by normalized I mean getting to levels they had in their 30's and 40's? Like anything, there are risks to taking hormones. But for me the risk/benefit analysis told me I'd rather do it and see. If I magically could chose 5 more years of life the way I feel now, or 10 like I was before, I'd gladly give up the extra 5. Quality of life counts. But to label me a junky? Strong words....
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I've heard for years that where the steroid users get into to trouble is that the body produces multiple hormones but certain artificially introduced steroids mimic or fool the body into thinking all of the hormones are there when in fact they are not. This is also why cycling on and off is critical for steroid users because it allows time for the body to adjust although sometimes the body finds it difficult to produce those hormones again.

Exercise & nutrition are not an immediate cure equivalent to chemical treatment but over time they could slow or alleviate some of the symptoms. Yes once you have those conditions you might need more than exercise and nutrition.

Might not be an addict or junky in the street sense of the word but physical dependence yes. Drop the program and see what happens. It is the patients/customer's call but it is a commitment which could make them "dependent". This is not a procedure or one fill prescription that will cure anyone ales. This could very easily go from an option to a necessity.
 
A year and a half ago, I joined Cenegenics and started a thread where I posted my experience in real time, the good and the bad. After wasting time refuting incorrect information and total nonsense from people who do not know the program, I said "good-bye" and stopped posting. I see that people are again discussing Cenegenics with a lot of misconceptions. I will state my case briefly for those who want to hear a real Cenegenics story.
I am on the program over a year and a half. I take testosterone at a dose that brings it from an abnormally low level to normal for my age. Multiple hormones are monitored because adjusting one can result in changes in others. That is where you need their medical expert. I take some of their supplements, but only those my doctor feels I need based on my testing.

I follow their dietary recommendations strictly, and to my amazement, it has become a way of life. I enjoy eating extremely healthy. I let my desire for sweets totally, even when I buy my kids candy,

My goal was to maintain my health and function for as long as possible. I do not want to spend my latter years with a walker and constant fatigue and weakness.

Does Cenegenics work for me? I am 66 in 2 months. My weight went from 210 to 170. My cholesterol from 225 to 137, all my other labs normal. I have the energy I had 20 years ago. I no longer have any slumps or fatigue during the day and increased my workload from 60 hours a week to 75 hours of very busy office time. Add to this the hospital visits and middle of the night phone calls. And I have more energy than others in the office who are much younger. I love my work and love the fact that I can practice at the same pace at age 66 as I did at 36. My osteoporosis improved, My arthritis symptoms in my hands and knees have been gone for one a year. My health is closely monitored and my labs are perfect. I would be perfectly happy to lose 10 years of life if it were to be the debilitated ones. I am very healthy, active and feel great and my goal is to die while still active. I have no interest in the wheel chair years, Newly Old
 
Newly Old said:
It's fun to read comments from employees and ex employees. (none are Docs)
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I didn't see where they claimed they were docs or not, unless you were going by the interview tabs ...

So, are you going to accept that job offer from them??
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LOL - no, I have to recuse myself due to some medical problems I recently had. ;)

If they start looking for a retired acupuncturist / OMD then maybe I'll take a look ...
 
Well, Phil, bet you didn't realise how many pages of comments your OP would bring? I had never heard of this before I must admit.We wrinkly old Brits don't worry too much about these things.We wouldn't shell out the money on it either.As you say, 'the house always wins' it seems bizarre to want to be 25 forever.All those long winded posts from the 45 year old seemed odd, why come on a seniors forum? I presume it was somebody who was part of the company promoting it.He sounded as if he needed a sense of humour to be fitted in amongst his well oiled abs.
 
oakapple said:
Well, Phil, bet you didn't realise how many pages of comments your OP would bring? I had never heard of this before I must admit.We wrinkly old Brits don't worry too much about these things.We wouldn't shell out the money on it either.As you say, 'the house always wins' it seems bizarre to want to be 25 forever.All those long winded posts from the 45 year old seemed odd, why come on a seniors forum? I presume it was somebody who was part of the company promoting it.He sounded as if he needed a sense of humour to be fitted in amongst his well oiled abs.
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Actually I'm quite impressed at how long this thread has lasted. I guess if you throw enough manure at the barn door some of it is bound to stick ... ;)

And your point about having a sense of humor is something that has always puzzled me - often the healthiest people have the worst sense of humor. You'd think there would have to be some kind of balance there ...
 
oakapple said:
Well, Phil, bet you didn't realise how many pages of comments your OP would bring? I had never heard of this before I must admit.We wrinkly old Brits don't worry too much about these things.We wouldn't shell out the money on it either.As you say, 'the house always wins' it seems bizarre to want to be 25 forever.All those long winded posts from the 45 year old seemed odd, why come on a seniors forum? I presume it was somebody who was part of the company promoting it.He sounded as if he needed a sense of humour to be fitted in amongst his well oiled abs.
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The same here oakapple, never heard of it, its interesting when these old threads appear out of the vaults, you learn something new everyday here !! :eek:nthego:

Actually I'm quite impressed at how long this thread has lasted. I guess if you throw enough manure at the barn door some of it is bound to stick ... ;)

And your point about having a sense of humor is something that has always puzzled me - often the healthiest people have the worst sense of humor. You'd think there would have to be some kind of balance there ...
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It seems if you become addicted to just about anything in life, you are in danger of becoming evangelical about it, and humour usually goes out of the window then. :confused:

I am not sure the healthiest people are the ones obsessed with their health, in my experience they are often not actually that healthy, and tend to worry themselves to death.
 
merlin said:
It seems if you become addicted to just about anything in life, you are in danger of becoming evangelical about it, and humour usually goes out of the window then. :confused:

I am not sure the healthiest people are the ones obsessed with their health, in my experience they are often not actually that healthy, and tend to worry themselves to death.
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I agree - as I'm always saying, it's all about balance.

Now it's time for me to go chuckle over my meds. :rolleyes:
 
SifuPhil said:
So Dr. Life really got in shape - well, dropped his body-fat anyway - with some super-shakes, not the Cenegenics program?

Interesting find!
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I'm glad you find it interesting...When I first saw the Cenegenics Commercial, I knew I had Seen Dr. Life some time ago in a magazine...I was on the body for life years ago And remembered his face quite well.
To bad He has to lie about how he truly became fit or has decided to say nothing about EAS body for life challenge so he could start his own company and call it whatever...he must not realize that there
are a few out there that have photographic memories...
 
The truth always outs, as they say ... ;)

I'd have to check the Cenegenics site again to see what their claims are exactly, as far as Dr. Life's history ... somehow I don't recall his mentioning BFL.
 

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