Cenegenics: Scam or Legitimate?

A year ago I was diagnosed with a terminal illness. I'm divorced, broke, and would have been homeless without my sweet ex-husband. I decided to push back my doctor's five-year prognosis for me by going online and doing my own research about diet, exercise, medicine, etc. It wasn't hard, and I learned more than I could imagine about what my body needs to survive, what it doesn't need, and how to figure out what works for me. My routine is simple, and it won't cost you a dime to read about it. I eat an organic vegetarian diet, take extra-virgin coconut oil to feed my brain, and B-12, D-3 and calcium magnesium to heal me. No sugar, booze, meat, dairy, or refined foods. I take one pill for anxiety, and that's it for drugs, OTC, prescription or otherwise. My doctor says I look 100% better than I did when I was diagnosed. Talk about "going down swinging"...I may outlive that Cenegenics spokesman, and he's 45 to my 52! :playful:
 

I have never posted anything on a internet forum before. I feel compelled to do so today as I have now read all of the posts on this forum. I have been a Cenegenics patient for 3 years now and it has literally been the best investment in time and money that I have ever made. It has improved my health significantly. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the posts on this forum are made by people that literally know nothing about this field.

I have read Newly Old try to give an informed and balanced perspective on this discussion only to be picked apart. I am not interested in prolonged writing/arguing with people who do not know what they are talking about, but I do feel compelled to give my perspective to someone who honestly wants a true patient perspective. Being new to posting on such forums, I am unsure how to do this, but I am sure others can tell me. If you would like to talk by private email or phone just let me know how to do that as I would hate to see someone make a decision to be apart of this program or not based on the huge inaccuracies posted on this site. I am a Professor that makes a living doing research. From my research, this was the very best program I could find and the results of it have been astounding.

Being on a Sabbatical this year, I have the time to answer any individual questions serious people may have that are contemplating this program. The program costs me $535.00/month and I buy all the supplements my Cenegenics doctor suggests at the drug store or at Costco. My doctor even sends me links of what to buy at Costco etc. I find this to be a very cheap investment for the returns it has given me. Despite the negative and inaccurate postings on this site by people who do not know what they are talking about, both my wife and I will be sticking with the program.
 
Kerry, I am in Michigan and am interested in more details about your experience.
 

I would be happy to speak with you gmat43. I am traveling today and I am available as of Sunday onward. As stated earlier, I am not sure how the contact thing works, so let me know. Perhaps we could arrange a time to talk by phone through email if you want to privately send me an email address, I can reply and we can arrange a time to talk?? I will be on Hawaii time as of Sunday if my flights are all on time!!
 
...interesting. Both making first posts, 20 minutes apart...zeroing in on this thread. The same wordy, formal, friendly tone by two "strangers" who become instant "tell me more" friends. As the sub title says: Scam or Legitimate? .....oh just one more thing: "Then breathe deep, and smell the fresh plumeria in the air".
 
My rule of thumb is if I can't pronounce the name, I don't buy it. Therefore I buy nothing that has the word ' alummimumin' or 'ryinnocerious' in the title or description.
 
From a psychological viewpoint, I would think that anyone that feels so strongly and goes to such great lengths to disavow the natural process of aging - a process, by the way, that is going to get us ALL, sooner or later - is going to be hit all the harder when their time comes, much harder than someone who has led a "natural" life.

Because, let's face it - replacing hormones that you lose due to aging is NOT natural. Looked at from a certain perspective, you are cheating the house ... and the house ALWAYS wins.

I can understand a certain zest for life, a willingness to go the extra mile when it comes to healthy lifestyle. Diet and nutrition, supplements and vitamins, exercise, avoiding excesses of all kinds, regular medical check - ups - that's great, that's what anyone who wants to remain in peak physical health should do.

But by spitting in the face of natural aging one plays a dangerous game. The way I see it, Cenegenics has one ace in the hole, and that is their hormone replacement therapy. All the other stuff - the nutritional guidance, the exercise, the testing - you could accomplish on your own. But it's admittedly difficult to get your hands on what is normally illegal substances such as HGH for the purposes of "anti-aging", and their ability to slow the aging process is highly questionable.

One needs to consider these pros and cons when evaluating testosterone therapy:

Potential benefits

* Improve muscle mass and strength
* Increase bone mineral density
* Thicken body hair and skin
* Improve sexual desire
* Boost energy
* Decrease irritability and depression
* Improve cognitive function


Potential risks

* Cause skin reactions
* Cause fluid retention
* Cause baldness
* Cause or aggravate sleep apnea
* Stimulate noncancerous growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms
* Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present
* Enlarge breasts
* Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present
* Cause testicle shrinkage
* Limit sperm production
* Stimulate excess blood production
* Cause acne

Again, mainly from a philosophical point of view but acknowledging all the potential physical drawbacks, trying to ignore natural aging by partaking in a regimen that is questionable at best and not fully understood is something we do at our own risk.



What you're really saying is that you're ok with getting old and fat, and you really don't like it when other people decide that's not how they want to go. you've never done an ounce of research on testosterone therapy. None. Most of the risks you listed are actually things that are controlled when you go to a reputable clinic to replace Testosterone.

Allow me to address each of these "risks":

*Cause skin reactions ----LOL, what? Any idea what this means?
* Cause fluid retention ----BS. You get leaner. Fluid retention may or may not happen in the first month, then its over
* Cause baldness ------ Maybe, if you're already prone to male pattern baldness.
* Cause or aggravate sleep apnea-----Total BS. There's no evidence to support this. If anything, your sleep pattern improves.
* Stimulate noncancerous growth of the prostate and cause or worsen urinary symptoms -------Possibly, but then regular blood tests from your clinic will tell you if your PSA is increasing, or if your kidneys are having an issue. BTW, guys who carry more muscle, tend to have a higher creatinine level in their blood. Just a fact
* Stimulate growth of prostate cancer that's already present --------Same. That's why monitoring and bloodwork are done on a regular basis
* Enlarge breasts -----Yes, if you're the type of f'ing idiot to take testosterone without an estrogen blocker. Anastrozole comes to mind. Its usually given out as part of your therapy at reputable clinics. Mind you, your doctors that are prescribing the gels, will never address this. Thanks, medical field.
* Stimulate growth of breast cancer that's already present.....This is utter BS, with no supporting evidence. This one was thought up as a scare tactic by the medical field. And if you're a guy with breasts, the most likely reason for that is low T and obesity. Maybe you wouldn't have breast cancer if you didn't have breasts.
* Cause testicle shrinkage -------Testicle shrinkage does happen, unless of course, you're taking a product to cause your body to naturally produce testosterone, as an offset. HCG is the most commonly used for this. The amount used varies on the individual and will be adjusted over the course of the whole therapy. Again, this is something a doctor prescribing that useless gel will never address.
* Limit sperm production ------^^^^^See HCG, which will offset any kind of sperm production issue. Might I add, that if you have low T, you don't have any sperm production in the first place, so this side effect is essentially BS too.
* Stimulate excess blood production ----- "Blood thickening" as its called. Testosterone causes the increased production of red blood cells. Giving blood every 3 months keeps this in check. So if you're squeamish about giving blood or can't, this may be the one thing to prevent you from taking Testosterone. Once the blood gets too thick, you're susceptible to heart attack or stroke. Giving blood is just common sense. Again, if you're getting testosterone gel from a family doctor, this will never come up.
* Cause acne -------- Really? I always wondered why my skin was bad when I was young. Who knew?:) If acne becomes an issue, your doctor may change you over to Cypionate in grapeseed oil as a base, that will pretty much halt the acne. But there's also other skin treatments, such as antibiotics that will knock it out. Acne is minor compared to having your energy and youthfulness.

the one thing in the benefits that you didn't mention, was the halting of depression. Which it does quite well, but doctors won't tell you that, there's no money in it. If they can wire you up on a variety of anti-depressants, they'll do it.
Where's all the concern when women go on HRT? I didn't see a national uprising against it for women. I didn't see 30 studies coming out and telling women "just get old and enjoy it". Did I miss that campaign? Yes, I did, cause it didn't happen. So forgive me if I go ahead and do what I need to and make myself feel whole.

Whether or not you do Cenegenics, or make an appointment at a male clinic, I invite you to do so with an open mind. Could be the best thing you ever did. It certainly has been for me, and I've been on testosterone injections for 2 years. Could not be happier. Lastly, if you think you're going to do all this stuff without a strenuous exercise regimen, then you're wasting your money, your time, and your life. Hormones are only part of it. Get your mind right, and get your ass in the gym.
 
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your first post, a post I must add that had to be edited to remove your stated desire to "smack" me.

Testosterone supplementation shows its ugly side once again ...
 
Cenegenics, and any other such "program", is just a means of stressing the importance of diet and exercise as we get older. For those who recognize the importance of these principles, there is little need to waste money on such programs, but if a person spends most of their time on the couch, and dines on TV Dinners, such a program certainly would be of benefit. Insofar as dietary supplements and additives are concerned, we get plenty of those at the grocery stores with all the steroids, growth hormones, antibiotics, etc., that are in our meat and fish products. The long term effects of GMO alterations of our grain products, remains to be seen.

Bottom line....eat well, in moderate proportions....get into a routine of daily exercise...and find some hobby or mental pursuit that challenges the mind, and aging will be reasonably good.
 
I don't know anything about this company in particular, so I can't comment on this company specifically. What I can say is that I've been seeing a preventative-care physician who adheres to the same school of thought & has the same approach to health as Cenegenics claims to. He uses bio-identical hormone & thyroid replacement, diet & supplements with good result. Cenegenics is expensive & I think this type treatment can be found more affordably.
 
I have not seen the Cenegenics ads and have no opinion about their program, but I am strongly of the opinion that careful attention to nutrition, exercise, and other health related life style decisions will do a great deal to increase your chances for living longer and living better. I said recently in another thread that I felt that my memory decline which was quite noticeable at age sixty hasn't markedly declined in the ensuing 20 years and I feel that credit should go to my supplement regimen, my diet, and other life style changes I've made.
 
I didn't know about this wonderful program, these folks are a God-send! How generous of them to help us old people get organized and take care of ourselves, with our brains being so scattered, we're hopeless on our own, really, let's just admit it. What a blessing...they can lead me to not only to become a physically healthier human being, but one who's also complete mentally and emotionally.

I would happily use any steroids or hormones that these fine folks recommend, they seem to sincerely have nothing but my health in mind. I put my faith in them to make the best senior life for me that I can possible have. :sentimental: Thank goodness some of their members are doctors, I have complete confidence that I will be given all the special drugs needed to turn my life around, these people are experts with prescription medications.

$4,000 is such a small price to pay to be taken under their wing and shown the 'right' way to do things. I'm sure any additional fees are a bargain, even if expensive, you know...you get what you pay for! You won't have to worry about dying from fat wallet disease anymore either...S..C..A..M..:greedy_dollars:

Hey, SeaBreeze, how do you manage to come down with this "fat wallet disease"?? Is it contagious?
 
The biggest problem / manufacturers don't put the amount of the ingredients. The 99 % of the word part only makes up 1-2% of the soap volume part. Generally shampoos are 98% water. Also the consumer public doesn't understand what a soap does. Shampoos contain those aluminnnnn thingies to make hair shine. There is a difference between sulfates and sulfonate if you want to research it. Now that you are awake your days are more eventful, so maybe the long label is good after all.
 
I don't know anything about this company in particular, so I can't comment on this company specifically. What I can say is that I've been seeing a preventative-care physician who adheres to the same school of thought & has the same approach to health as Cenegenics claims to. He uses bio-identical hormone & thyroid replacement, diet & supplements with good result. Cenegenics is expensive & I think this type treatment can be found more affordably.

so true, do not judge HRT by Cenegenics, you will only be shorting yourself.
 
I just watched a classic episode of Twilight Zone called The Trade-Ins where an elderly couple go to The New Life Corporation, where for only $5,000 each they can have their minds and personalities transferred into a set of young bodies with a guarantee of at least 100 years of life.

For some odd reason I thought of Cenegenics ...
 


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