Unvaxxed members - a question?

[Sunny]

For those still unvaxxed how do you feel about your decision? What made you make it? What was your attitude like at the time and has it changed?

I feel I made the best decision for myself at the time and it has worn well. I was always uncomfortable with the no product liability clause pertaining to the covid 19 vaccines. This had me back off immediately and nothing changed my mind about it. I felt a "wait and see" approach would be best regarding this vaccine and I am still glad I waited because my feelings have not changed about the vax, that the risks outweigh the benefits. I am at ease with my decision. How about you?

How about also asking, "For those who ARE vaxxed, how do you feel about your decision?" Are you happy that you are very much more protected from a horrendous, often fatal illness, which killed millions of people?

Chic, most people will say they are convinced that they made the right decision, no matter what it was. That's because we don't like to admit that our decision was wrong, or possibly stupid. Many of the unvaxxed population is not able to answer this kind of question, because they did not survive the pandemic.

So, I'll answer, even though you didn't ask me: My attitude at the time was, "When are they going to come up with a vaccine for this awful disease, and how soon can I get it? I'm elderly, and probably right in the crosshairs of dying from this disease if I get it."

So I've had two vaccine shots, and several boosters, and will gladly get the next one as soon as it is available. I am grateful to medical science for possibly saving my life. (Side effects were minimal, no worse than a flu shot.)

 

[againstthegrain]

As of late March 2023, the unvaxxed are 3x more likely to get covid vs the vaxxed and 5x more likely to die if they do get covid. During the more deadly variants of covid the risk of the unvaxxed dying was as much as 12x greater than the vaxxed.

What is annoying about some is they fail to realize that the actions and decisions of individuals aren't made in a bubble and they do affect other people and the overall public health outcome. There is no doubt in my mind that higher covid vaccination rates would produce less death and suffering overall than lower rates.

 

[SeniorBen]

Some people are just anti-science. Throughout history, there have been science deniers — primarily the church and religious people in general. Galileo, Copernicus, Darwin, and many other scientists had to fight the church to make their findings known, and they were punished for doing so.

One would think that in the 21st century, people would accept science, and most people do, but we still have people who believe that the earth is flat, that it was created 6,000 years ago, and that vaccines alter our DNA.

 

[DaveA]

I was never vaxxed.
I had a 3 week flu which I assume was covid since my live in son tested positive for covid at the same time.

I have to say that the strong arm methods were a big turn off to me and made me wonder if the threat was being over exaggerated.

I never saw that kind of authoritarian approach to anything before in my lifetime.

Interesting ?? I don't think I was ever consulted, nor were my folks, when it came time for the childhood vacs needed to enter school . So I guess i experienced the "authoritarian approach" at an early age. Same when I entered the military back in the 50's

 

[SeniorBen]

Interesting ?? I don't think I was ever consulted, nor were my folks, when it came time for the childhood vacs needed to enter school . So I guess i experienced the "authoritarian approach" at an early age. Same when I entered the military back in the 50's

We didn't have a certain media outlet back then telling us how oppressed we were.

 

[Raddragn]

One of the most vociferous complaints against the Vaccines is the "rush" to get it out to the public. Did it ever occur to any of the critics that the "rush" may have been because of the morbility and mortality rate of those who did get Covid and the rapid spread of it.. I wonder how many would have died if they have taken 5 years to produce it and bring it out to the public. The "rush" was more likely due to the horrifying morbility and mortality than corporate greed (not that that doesn't exist). I wonder how much criticism would have been leveled at them if they have been slower producing the vaccine?

 

[boliverchadsworth]

I am unvaxxed and have never regretted my decision.

It was new, and unheard of. Plus, I take an arthritis injection that I didn't think it would be compatible with.
And, I never got Covid...

dr.aseem malhotra

 

[againstthegrain]

dr.aseem malhotra

A kook of the highest order........he was for the mRNA before he was against it.

He is opposed to using statins to treat high cholesterol and he's probably ready to turn his back on penicillin.

There's probably a dozen of these kooky drs around the world, that hold an opposing view of an untold number of drs, but yet they're sought after for their particular flavor of misinformation.

 

[Alligatorob]

There's probably a dozen of these kooky drs around the world, that hold an opposing view of an untold number of drs, but yet they're sought after for their particular flavor of misinformation.

Only a dozen?

Lots of "expert" opinions out there on this issue. Makes me try to find the best underlying data. Takes a bit more work, but I think leads to greater clarity.

 

[retiredtraveler]

I was never vaxxed.
I had a 3 week flu which I assume was covid since my live in son tested positive for covid at the same time.

I have to say that the strong arm methods were a big turn off to me and made me wonder if the threat was being over exaggerated.

I never saw that kind of authoritarian approach to anything before in my lifetime.

You mean 1 million deaths, just in the U.S., was exaggerated?

 

[Lawrence00]

My full set of natural antibodies is far superior than what might have helped some people getting antibodies which were aware of only the spike protein.

God gave me my set on January 3rd. 2020, long before they pretended that they could contact trace the virus, and block it with masks from the dollar store. All the horses had left the barn in December 2019.

What a big pretense and money maker, it was.

 

[Born_To_Lose]

I was never vaxxed or did I have the Virus. I don’t know what that proves or disproves if anything. Maybe just lucky?

 

[Rose65]

For those still unvaxxed how do you feel about your decision? What made you make it? What was your attitude like at the time and has it changed?

I feel I made the best decision for myself at the time and it has worn well. I was always uncomfortable with the no product liability clause pertaining to the covid 19 vaccines. This had me back off immediately and nothing changed my mind about it. I felt a "wait and see" approach would be best regarding this vaccine and I am still glad I waited because my feelings have not changed about the vax, that the risks outweigh the benefits. I am at ease with my decision. How about you?

I am glad you are ok.
I've had all the jabs, had covid and was ok. Since then my health is not good. Something in me has changed for the worst.

 

[Myrtle]

I am glad you are ok.
I've had all the jabs, had covid and was ok. Since then my health is not good. Something in me has changed for the worst.

Rose, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope any changes will go away. Could you, if you are willing, expound on how you feel worse? I would be very interested to hear more about it. Perhaps others would be too but only if you are comfortable doing so.

 

[Rose65]

Rose, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope any changes will go away. Could you, if you are willing, expound on how you feel worse? I would be very interested to hear more about it. Perhaps others would be too but only if you are comfortable doing so.

I keep catching infections and taking ages to recover. Depressed and weak as never before. Much worse joint pains and stiffness than pre-covid times.

I have been to the doctor's and hospital in recent times far more than ever in my life. I used to rarely even get a cold and never needed the doctor for years at a time. Now I am a good customer!

 

[Lilac]

@Rose65, I've had joint pain & stiffness that wasn't there until after I had the first two shots & it came on gradually. I haven't had any problems with infections. No more fast-tracked vaccines for me anymore. I regret ever taking it.

I am not anti-vax as many others want to label the people who didn't want to take the Covid shot for many different reasons they had. I feel it wasn't tested as it should have been & was rushed to be put out. And it was wrong that it was forced on people who didn't want it & threatened if they didn't take it they would be fired, etc.

If a person wants to take this, or any vaccine that has a similar history, go ahead & take it...it is your choice. But don't think others should do the same because you think they should.

Maybe it should be looked at this way. What if you were told you weren't allowed to take a shot that you felt would benefit you, example mumps, flu, measles, etc., because others thought it was bad. Should they keep it from you if you because they didn't like it. Does that make some sense looking at the issue from that angle?

 

[JustDave]

I was never vaxxed or did I have the Virus. I don’t know what that proves or disproves if anything. Maybe just lucky?

It falls in the category of anecdotal experience, just as someone who got vaxed dosen't know for sure that he didn't get Covid because he was vaxed. I followed the science, fumbling as science always is, especially at the beginning of the accumulation of actual knowledge because I still trust it more than someone on the internet without any qualifications or scientific interests. I didn't get Covid, at least not yet, so it makes me happy. I'm happy for anyone who didn't get Covid, no matter why they didn't get it.

 

[Myrtle]

I keep catching infections and taking ages to recover. Depressed and weak as never before. Much worse joint pains and stiffness than pre-covid times.

I have been to the doctor's and hospital in recent times far more than ever in my life. I used to rarely even get a cold and never needed the doctor for years at a time. Now I am a good customer!

I asked because I've also taken the vaccinations, 2 originals and 2 boosters. I haven't had any infections or depression but I do have more joint pain and stiffness. I've attributed that to a broken hip and not walking as much as I used to but I will see if I can find more about these symptoms as a result of the vaccines.

Thank you for sharing. I hope your symptoms will clear up and you will feel better.

It falls in the category of anecdotal experience, just as someone who got vaxed dosen't know for sure that he didn't get Covid because he was vaxed. I followed the science, fumbling as science always is, especially at the beginning of the accumulation of actual knowledge because I still trust it more than someone on the internet without any qualifications or scientific interests. I didn't get Covid, at least not yet, so it makes me happy. I'm happy for anyone who didn't get Covid, no matter why they didn't get it.

Enough anecdotes can add up to something. Science did not agree with itself and far too many so-called scientists became political. A little power can go to the head of a scientist just like anyone else. I haven't gotten Covid either but I think that was due to a lot of isolation and avoidance of crowds when I did go out. I think it made sense for the elderly to take the vaccine but it makes no sense to give it to children.

 

[Jules]

Many of the new-to-you complaints existed before Covid and the vaccines. We’re getting older; things happen. Things even happen to the young.

 

[ElCastor]

The wife and I are fully boosted, latest flu, and I just got an updated TDAP. We are happy as clams and have had zero I’ll effects. Personally I suspect that most antivaxers are just afraid of needles.

 

[AnnieA]

I'm unvaccinated and glad of the decision. I was advised by my doctor against getting it due to autoimmune concerns. He and several other doctors among my family and friends were also concerned that the risk/ benefit was questionable due to previous research of mRNA therapeutics (all had failed until the Covid vax was pushed through).

I am especially glad now that Covid has mutated to a milder form. I was sick with Covid for the first time in Dec 2022 and wasn't as ill with it as I had been a few months earlier with a bad cold.

 

[ElCastor]

I'm unvaccinated and glad of the decision. I was advised by my doctor against getting it due to autoimmune concerns. He and several other doctors among my family and friends were also concerned that the risk/ benefit was questionable due to previous research of mRNA therapeutics (all had failed until the Covid vax was pushed through).

MRNA has not only proven effective against COVID, but it is being developed for use against cancer!

“Now proven against coronavirus, mRNA can do so much more​

CNN —
When the final Phase 3 data came out last November showing the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were more than 90% effective, Dr. Anthony Fauci had no words. He texted smiley face emojis to a journalist seeking his reaction.
This astonishing efficacy has held up in real-world studies in the US, Israel and elsewhere. The mRNA technology – developed for its speed and flexibility as opposed to expectations it would provide strong protection against an infectious disease – has pleased and astonished even those who already advocated for it.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/health/mrna-vaccines-covid-future/index.html

 

[Warrigal]

I asked because I've also taken the vaccinations, 2 originals and 2 boosters. I haven't had any infections or depression but I do have more joint pain and stiffness. I've attributed that to a broken hip and not walking as much as I used to but I will see if I can find more about these symptoms as a result of the vaccines.

Thank you for sharing. I hope your symptoms will clear up and you will feel better.



Enough anecdotes can add up to something. Science did not agree with itself and far too many so-called scientists became political. A little power can go to the head of a scientist just like anyone else. I haven't gotten Covid either but I think that was due to a lot of isolation and avoidance of crowds when I did go out. I think it made sense for the elderly to take the vaccine but it makes no sense to give it to children.

Vaccines were rationed early on in Australia due to shortage. Children were a long way down the priority list. To protect them, schools had to be closed and lessons done at home. Now, thanks to children having access to vaccines closures are no longer necessary.

 

[AnnieA]

MRNA has not only proven effective against COVID, but it is being developed for use against cancer!

“Now proven against coronavirus, mRNA can do so much more​

CNN —
When the final Phase 3 data came out last November showing the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were more than 90% effective, Dr. Anthony Fauci had no words. He texted smiley face emojis to a journalist seeking his reaction.
This astonishing efficacy has held up in real-world studies in the US, Israel and elsewhere. The mRNA technology – developed for its speed and flexibility as opposed to expectations it would provide strong protection against an infectious disease – has pleased and astonished even those who already advocated for it.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/health/mrna-vaccines-covid-future/index.html

Yes, I read several of the peer-reviewed cancer studies as part of my decision making process. The most current literature review of mRNA cancer therapeutics at the time of the release of Covid vaccines stated mRNA technology was at least five years away from approval for oncology in part due to promotion of autoimmunity. Since I already have several autoimmune disorders, the cancer studies were a big piece of my decision to forgo the vaccine.

 

[Murrmurr]

A kook of the highest order........he was for the mRNA before he was against it.

Because in early trials, which began over a decade ago, mRna showed encouraging results but also a potential to cause serious side-effects. That issue was not resolved to the satisfaction of various accredited medical experts before the covid vaccine roll-out.