The difference between men and women

I recall an experiment done by the Stanford University Department of psychology. The experiment was designed to see how women would rate men based exclusively on his potential as a possible mate. (ie would she date him ?) The experiment worked like this: color photographs were taken of 10 men, of average to slightly above average looks. All men were well groomed and neatly dressed but not in suits and tie. At the bottom of the photos were a made-up name and his occupation.

There were two piles of identical photos. The only difference was that in pile # 1, the men had occupations listed as: artist or musician, restaurant manager, new car sales man, photographer etc etc. The 2nd pile had the exact same photos but this time the occupations were changed to: dentist, computer designer, recent law school graduate, son of major dept store owner, certified public accountant etc etc.

Four young female graduate students were chosen to be the "survey takers". On the test days, two women went down one side of a street in downtown with photos of pile #1. At the exact same time, the other two young women went down the other side of the street with pile #2.
The young grad students walked down the sidewalks and stopped other youngish women and asked then to rate the men in the photos as potential mates.

The results of the test demonstrated that, overwhelmingly, the women who saw only pile #2 rated the men as much higher than the women who saw only pile #1. Keep in mind, that it was on the same day, on the same downtown street, and presumably the same occupational/educational levels of the women.

Why did the women rate the men from stack number 2 higher ? Because the young women saw that the men in pile # 2 had a greater lifetime earning potential.

This from the same university that brought us the infamous Prison Experiment and the artificial intelligence "gaydar".

What was the size of the sampling group? Were there any control groups? Was there experimental bias because all of the survey-takers were female?
 

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There have been one heck of a lot of denials that the average woman spends a great deal of time and money on makeup, hair care, manicures and pedicures. Would you be shocked to know that the AVERAGE woman spends $300,000 in her lifetime on just makeup alone ?

Don't believe me ? Think I'm not living in the "real " world ?

Ok, check this out http://allure.com/story/average-woman-spends-on-makeup

If you think I don't know what I'm talking about then I have DOZENS of other sites that I can post.
In addition to the makeup dollars spent, women in the U.S. spend an additional 12 billion dollars EVERY year on clothes and shoes.
 
Would you be shocked to know that the AVERAGE woman spends $300,000 in her lifetime on just makeup alone ?

So, assuming that a girl begins buying her own makeup at age 12 ... and the average lifespan of a woman born in the United States is currently 81 years ...

That means an average monthly expenditure of $362.

I highly doubt that your AVERAGE woman (not that there IS such a creature) is spending that much on a monthly basis.

The "study" you cited is from an online skin supplies store. Think they might be a bit biased in their research?
 

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You betcha. And so would a lot of other guys. It does not matter how well dressed, groomed and super polite he is, he is going to get shot down much, much more than any woman could imagine. Of course, at our age, it is a moot point.

The men I've met in person, like for a dinner-date in my later years seem to almost "assume" they are going to get shot down. If you read some dating ads there seems to be two kinds. One is overly confident and cocky, God's gift I'm gonna miss out on if I don't write. The other kind is I can take or leave a woman (but yet he is out there lonely wanting companionship). It seems that women are more willing to take another chance then men. And I have thought for years now, that men "may" hurt more deeply. I'm ready to be battered with tomatos here but women's lib has done a lot of harm, or maybe just gone too far.

I still believe men were meant to be in leadership. So "lock and load" your tomato shooters, I can take it:eek:
 
I think leadership should depend on aptitude, not gender. With some exceptions, most abilities are not gender based. When I was studying for my doctorate, I regularly heard the “what’s a pretty girl like you studying in a man’s field for? Women are not strong enough to be psychologists, too emotional, etc.” Nauseatingly condescending.
 
I forgot to also quote Traveller, I meant this for his comment as well;)


So, assuming that a girl begins buying her own makeup at age 12 ... and the average lifespan of a woman born in the United States is currently 81 years ...

That means an average monthly expenditure of $362.

I highly doubt that your AVERAGE woman (not that there IS such a creature) is spending that much on a monthly basis.

The "study" you cited is from an online skin supplies store. Think they might be a bit biased in their research?

The AVERAGE aside, my gal-friends and I grew up "mostly" thinking about one thing, how to look our best. I'm not disagreeing with numbers etc. I'm just saying, for myself, I finally stopped primping and even bothering with makeup because it makes me look worse! Whoever came up with the "cover up makeup" should not bother with expensive ingredients, you can buy flour and water that will give the same effect. I like to still wear earings/a couple of rings/necklaces, and care about being clean and neat.

I was married to a man that dyed his hair, had an eyelift and pretty sure there was some makeup involved. When he wanted to wear my clothes, that was the beginning of the end. Really good salesman though:indecisiveness: Don't ask, lol!
 
That means an average monthly expenditure of $362.

Sifu Phil, good point. That's got to be the silliest estimate of anything I've ever seen. Maybe a woman with Melania Trump's level of income, for instance, but that's supposed to be the average for all American women? Please!

And about women being attracted to macho, jock types, as a man they want to attract, I doubt very much that that's true for grown, mature women. Maybe for the 12-year-old crowd...
 
Just goes to show how these "so-called" polls must work. On any topic, you get/take numbers from certain groups of people and call it average. I don't have a clue what "normal" is, or average.
 
I think leadership should depend on aptitude, not gender. With some exceptions, most abilities are not gender based. When I was studying for my doctorate, I regularly heard the “what’s a pretty girl like you studying in a man’s field for? Women are not strong enough to be psychologists, too emotional, etc.” Nauseatingly condescending.

What idiots said that to you ? Had they never heard of Anna Freud, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross or Karen Horney ? I'm sorry to hear you had to go through that. Disgusting !
 
So, assuming that a girl begins buying her own makeup at age 12 ... and the average lifespan of a woman born in the United States is currently 81 years ...

That means an average monthly expenditure of $362.

I highly doubt that your AVERAGE woman (not that there IS such a creature) is spending that much on a monthly basis.

The "study" you cited is from an online skin supplies store. Think they might be a bit biased in their research?


I don't know what to tell you. There are dozens of web sites that quote various numbers for how much a woman spends in her lifetime on cosmetics. The number that Allure Magazine quotes, seemed quite high to me also. I'm not in that industry so I can only go by what they say. I just picked one at random from the google list.
 
I think leadership should depend on aptitude, not gender. With some exceptions, most abilities are not gender based. When I was studying for my doctorate, I regularly heard the “what’s a pretty girl like you studying in a man’s field for? Women are not strong enough to be psychologists, too emotional, etc.” Nauseatingly condescending.
But can you give us the reason why your professors acted that way toward you? In other words where were they coming from?
 
But can you give us the reason why your professors acted that way toward you? In other words where were they coming from?
I suspect they had difficulty equating a petite, pretty woman with a competent psychologist. They believed I lacked the requisite mental toughness. At least one of them believed that women did not belong in the medical field except in nursing. I believe excellence is the best defence against such antediluvian attitudes.
 
I suspect they had difficulty equating a petite, pretty woman with a competent psychologist. They believed I lacked the requisite mental toughness. At least one of them believed that women did not belong in the medical field except in nursing. I believe excellence is the best defence against such antediluvian attitudes.
Legally Blonde comes to mind. She showed them!
 
What idiots said that to you ? Had they never heard of Anna Freud, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross or Karen Horney ? I'm sorry to hear you had to go through that. Disgusting !
I was told something similar by my headmistress when I was choosing subjects for matriculation. My friends and I were told we could not choose physics because "girls cannot do physics". This was 1957, the year that the first Sputnik satellite was launched. All of us went on to study science, including physics without the necessary background that we should have had.
 
I was told something similar by my headmistress when I was choosing subjects for matriculation. My friends and I were told we could not choose physics because "girls cannot do physics". This was 1957, the year that the first Sputnik satellite was launched. All of us went on to study science, including physics without the necessary background that we should have had.


As odd as it may sound , I can relate to that. Since I was a little kid I have always been obsessed with food and cooking. When I started 7th grade I wanted to sign up for a class in "Home Economics" because I heard that cooking was taught. I was told that boys belonged in "Metal Shop". I took that damn metal class but I hated every minute of it.
 
As odd as it may sound , I can relate to that. Since I was a little kid I have always been obsessed with food and cooking. When I started 7th grade I wanted to sign up for a class in "Home Economics" because I heard that cooking was taught. I was told that boys belonged in "Metal Shop". I took that damn metal class but I hated every minute of it.

Things have certainly changed. I taught mostly in girls' high schools and over time we introduced electronics, computer aided technical drawing and eventually woodwork and robotics with fully equipped workrooms. Before all of this took place we hired a male home economics teacher and he was as queer as a three pound note. He was however a brilliant teacher and produced amazing results, even to the extent of having the girls prepare three course dinners for parents and staff, complete with silver service.

My daughter went to a co-ed school and elected metalwork in years 9 and 10. The teacher didn't want any girls in the class but treated everybody equally by calling everyone "son". Sounds inclusive doesn't it but it was just one of his ways of making the girls feel unwanted. One of the boys, a large South Sea Islander, kept harassing my daughter and would even chase her around the workshop. The teacher studiously ignored what he could clearly see happening. He wasn't about to rescue her and she gritted her teeth and refused to appeal for help. Also some of her projects mysteriously disappeared just as they were almost ready for assessment.
 
I suspect they had difficulty equating a petite, pretty woman with a competent psychologist. They believed I lacked the requisite mental toughness. At least one of them believed that women did not belong in the medical field except in nursing. I believe excellence is the best defence against such antediluvian attitudes.
It was part of the early times then, no? Women were thought to be only for nursing and secretarial in those times. I don't think it was anything personal, though, and also think it's partly their upbringing and how they were taught to think of women's roles in those times. Men did dominate the field of psychology, yes. They perhaps also somehow felt threatened? Hum?
 


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