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Btw... adultery is still a crime in many US states [but those laws are no longer enforced.]

In the American colonies adultery was a capital crime... as were many other social evils.

English common law was Biblically-based.
 

Smiling Jane said:
I figure if they don't have enough gumption to say no, they deserve what they get (worm and all).
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According to some, evil Eve is alive and well, how dare she work outside the home instead of ensuring her children don’t grow up to be killers? There are many factors which combine to increase the likelihood of a child developing a homicidal personality, but no one, shrink, or profiler, has the key. Human behaviour remains a science of /possibility/probability. Nothing is written in stone.
 
Shalimar said:
According to some, evil Eve is alive and well, how dare she work outside the home instead of ensuring her children don’t grow up to be killers? There are many factors which combine to increase the likelihood of a child developing a homicidal personality, but no one, shrink, or profiler, has the key. Human behaviour remains a science of /possibility/probability. Nothing is written in stone.
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Well, Nikolas Cruz' mother should have been standing at the door to prevent him from leaving with his AR-15. Very selfish of her, no?

On the other hand, if she didn't work outside of the home she would be excoriated for not supporting her family. It's one of those can't win situations.
 
Shalimar said:
According to some, evil Eve is alive and well, how dare she work outside the home instead of ensuring her children don’t grow up to be killers? There are many factors which combine to increase the likelihood of a child developing a homicidal personality, but no one, shrink, or profiler, has the key. Human behaviour remains a science of /possibility/probability. Nothing is written in stone.
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Question: Where would you rate, moral strength, self-discipline and fortitude within the picture of who develops a homicidal personality and who does not ?
 
Traveler said:
Question: Where would you rate, moral strength, self-discipline and fortitude within the picture of who develops a homicidal personality and who does not ?
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Interesting question, it would require a lengthy paper to properly examine the possibilities. Off the top of my head, I will say a person who lacks any self discipline or moral compass, is unable to deal with anger and disappointment in a healthy way, reacts with excessive rage, this person is at increased risk of exhibiting pathologically violent behaviour, particularly through their teens and twenties. For some reason, this applies in the main, to males. Females deal with such differently, as a rule. But that is another paper in the making, far from complete, at this point. I need another year. I believe it is important to note that what constitutes self discipline, and an appropriate moral compass differs according to various personal belief systems.
 
Shalimar said:
Interesting question, it would require a lengthy paper to properly examine the possibilities. Off the top of my head, I will say a person who lacks any self discipline or moral compass, is unable to deal with anger and disappointment in a healthy way, reacts with excessive rage, this person is at increased risk of exhibiting pathologically violent behaviour, particularly through their teens and twenties. For some reason, this applies in the main, to males. Females deal with such differently, as a rule. But that is another paper in the making, far from complete, at this point. I need another year. I believe it is important to note that what constitutes self discipline, and an appropriate moral compass differs according to various personal belief systems.
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It is my opinion that anyone who lacks those critical character traits,: moral strength, self-discipline and fortitude is in for a rough life. Teaching character to their children is primarily a parental responsibility. When parents fail in that task, they have failed as parents, and the child pays the price. Tying that in with this thread, 17 children in Parkland Florida, paid the ultimate price.

I'm not real comfortable with the notion of a loosy-goosey approach concerning an "appropriate moral compass". When I was a teen, the very idea of knocking an old woman down and stealing her purse was unthinkable. Today it happens all too often.
 
Traveler said:
Question: Where would you rate, moral strength, self-discipline and fortitude within the picture of who develops a homicidal personality and who does not ?
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This is an interesting question and I would like to add to it another.

Is there any significant difference between a boy of Muslim background who becomes radicalised to violent jihadism and a Christian boy who absorbs white supremacist propaganda and commits mass murder? Might the path each takes be very similar? Should the same authorities who watch the social media activities of Muslims, local or born overseas, exercise the same surveillance over racial hate sites and any other extremist group ?
 
Warrigal said:
This is an interesting question and I would like to add to it another.

Is there any significant difference between a boy of Muslim background who becomes radicalised to violent jihadism and a Christian boy who absorbs white supremacist propaganda and commits mass murder? Might the path each takes be very similar? Should the same authorities who watch the social media activities of Muslims, local or born overseas, exercise the same surveillance over racial hate sites and any other extremist group ?
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If I understand you correctly, the answer is --- yes.
 
Warrigal said:
This is an interesting question and I would like to add to it another.

Is there any significant difference between a boy of Muslim background who becomes radicalised to violent jihadism and a Christian boy who absorbs white supremacist propaganda and commits mass murder? Might the path each takes be very similar? Should the same authorities who watch the social media activities of Muslims, local or born overseas, exercise the same surveillance over racial hate sites and any other extremist group ?
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I suspect Timothy McVeigh made a believer out of many who would have said no at one time.

I'm actually more afraid of angry born and bred Murcans like Tim McVeigh. There are some scary people hiding out in this country.
 
Warrigal said:
This is an interesting question and I would like to add to it another.

Is there any significant difference between a boy of Muslim background who becomes radicalised to violent jihadism and a Christian boy who absorbs white supremacist propaganda and commits mass murder? Might the path each takes be very similar? Should the same authorities who watch the social media activities of Muslims, local or born overseas, exercise the same surveillance over racial hate sites and any other extremist group ?
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In my professional opinion, there is no significant difference between the two, violent extremism wears many hats. As for surveillance, in Canada, all hate sites of any sort are carefully monitored.
 
Traveler said:
It is my opinion that anyone who lacks those critical character traits,: moral strength, self-discipline and fortitude is in for a rough life. Teaching character to their children is primarily a parental responsibility. When parents fail in that task, they have failed as parents, and the child pays the price. Tying that in with this thread, 17 children in Parkland Florida, paid the ultimate price.

I'm not real comfortable with the notion of a loosy-goosey approach concerning an "appropriate moral compass". When I was a teen, the very idea of knocking an old woman down and stealing her purse was unthinkable. Today it happens all too often.
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Hmmm, certainly you cannot be suggesting that I espouse a “loosely-goosey” approach toward morality simply because I entertain the possibility that one size does not fit all. After all, an overly rigid, oppressive childhood is one of the greatest

predictors of future violence. Even without physical violence, it falls under the mantle of emotional abuse. But, let us also remember, sociopaths are made, psychopaths are born that way. They lack the capacity to experience true emotion, feel no empathy or guilt. No parent on the planet can change that. As for blaming the

parents of young Cruz, we have no idea what sort of upbringing he received, or if he is mentally ill. I prefer to wait for the facts before I pass judgement on anyone other than the perpetrator himself.
 
SifuPhil said:
  • 2 Samuel 6:6-11: God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant
  • Numbers 16:16-49 & 21:5-6: Death to all those who complain (14,950 of them altogether)
  • Deuteronomy 28:63: God Rejoices Over Growing Populations So That He Can Rejoice Over Destroying Them
  • 2 Kings 2:23-24: 42 children are killed by two bears, for calling a prophet "baldy"
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The Bible is filled with historical examples of how God punishes evildoers.
Yet evildoers never learn and history often repeats itself over and over.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmmm, certainly you cannot be suggesting that I espouse a “loosely-goosey” approach toward morality simply because I entertain the possibility that one size does not fit all. After all, an overly rigid, oppressive childhood is one of the greatest

predictors of future violence. Even without physical violence, it falls under the mantle of emotional abuse. But, let us also remember, sociopaths are made, psychopaths are born that way. They lack the capacity to experience true emotion, feel no empathy or guilt. No parent on the planet can change that. As for blaming the

parents of young Cruz, we have no idea what sort of upbringing he received, or if he is mentally ill. I prefer to wait for the facts before I pass judgement on anyone other than the perpetrator himself.
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No. Shalimar, I was not referring to you. Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to those who make up their own rules of an appropriate moral compass as they go along. If the moral compass leans in the direction of a societies benefit that is a wonderful thing. An example of that would be Gandhi. If, however, the moral compass leans toward harm of society, such as mafia dons, and other criminal types, then that obviously can not be allowed.

The world would be much improved if there were more Gandhi's. Unfortunately, there are vastly more criminal types. The only point I was attempting to make was that not all moral compass's are equally valid.

P.S. Sometime we must discuss the differences between a sociopath, a psychopath and an anti-social personality. :)
 
Smiling Jane said:
I suspect Timothy McVeigh made a believer out of many who would have said no at one time.

I'm actually more afraid of angry born and bred Murcans like Tim McVeigh. There are some scary people hiding out in this country.
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911 changed the world. True hate based on religion. Fatwas ordering the death of innocents. And a religious reward for doing so.

Big difference from the Tim Mc Veighs acting alone.
 
I cannot see the difference. McVeigh blew up a government building that contained a child care centre. I don't know his motivation or his connections but he wanted to do maximum damage and he had some sort of ideology that told him this was acceptable.
 
KingsX said:
The Bible is filled with historical examples of how God punishes evildoers.
Yet evildoers never learn and history often repeats itself over and over.
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I find it difficult to believe that 42 children calling a prophet "baldy" constitutes evil-doing.

Likewise, a growing population is not necessarily a crime.

Complaining? Not evil in my book.

Accidently touching some relic? Nope, not evil.



No wonder "evildoers" never learn - they'll get punished whether they're doing good or evil.
 
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parents of young Cruz, we have no idea what sort of upbringing he received, or if he is mentally ill.
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Of course he is mentally ill, regardless of his upbringing. But I don't think that is really the issue, in any case. The issue is, why was he able to collect an arsenal like that in the first place? He was clearly perceived to be a dangerous nut, and the FBI was informed, and did nothing.

The Bible is filled with historical examples of how God punishes evildoers.
Yet evildoers never learn and history often repeats itself over and over.
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KingsX. yup, you've hit the nail right on the head. God should punish all evildoers who commit the sin of complaining, as the Bible is gloating about. So the 17 who were just murdered in Florida must have been evildoers, right? They deserved what happened to them?

You know KingsX, there is actually a contingent of people who believe that the Holocaust happened because all those millions of people were not sufficiently worshipful of God. That was their punishment. Do you also believe that?
 
Smiling Jane said:
I suspect Timothy McVeigh made a believer out of many who would have said no at one time.

I'm actually more afraid of angry born and bred Murcans like Tim McVeigh. There are some scary people hiding out in this country.
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Murcans? Just what is a "Murcan"? I assume you don't mean it as a compliment.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Murcans? Just what is a "Murcan"? I assume you don't mean it as a compliment.
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Murcans ... you and I are Murcans.

You have to allow for some regional spellig differences, of course. I've seen "Mr'kin" and "Merkan".

Just think of how LBJ used to say "American" -

""We are not about to send Murcan boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.""
 
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