WWII Nazi memorabilia

justfred said:
Yes. I think it about time this thread was brought to a close. It has gone from Nazi memorabilia to a slanging match. We all belong to this wonderful forum as friends. Let,s keep it that way, please!
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I agree 100%; we are all friends and what a nice thought that is!:love_heart:
 
justfred said:
The Nazi massacre of not only the Jews but others during Hitlers 'reign' seems to be the number one topic here. Why? I think it,s because it took place within or very close to living memory but were not other massacres that took place just as evil? Let,s look back in history. Mao Tse-tung's long march in which around 70 million were massacred. The massacre of the American Indians by the white man, The massacre of the Australian Aborigine. The massacre of Africans during 'colonisation' by the white man. Going further back, the massacre of hundreds of thousands Muslims during the Crusades. Massacres have taken place and are still taking place all over the world.
When will man learn to live in peace with his neighbour. Does it matter what colour his skin is? Does it matter which God he worships?
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Ruthanne said:
"When will man learn to live in peace with his neighbour. Does it matter what colour his skin is? Does it matter which God he worships?"

Those are the most important ideas that need exploring. Could you start a thread on that? I think many will reply.
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This isn’t my type of thread to join into but I really appreciate these two posts.

Lets put this thread to rest now.
 

But before we put it to a well-deserved rest, I'd like to get in one more word about the definition of antisemitism, which managed to get under scrutiny here.

That is another term that people like to throw around to try to force others to conform
to whatever their ideology and agenda is.

The irony is... the word, Semite, does not have an actual racial or religious meaning.
The word is not in the Bible. Supposedly the word refers to the descendants of Shem.
If so, then the word would refer to not just Israelites, but also Ishmaelites and Edomites.
In which case, anyone who is anti-Arab could be accused of "antisemitism"... and even
God might be accused of "antisemitism" when He said: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
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OK, so the next time you hear someone attacking an Ishmaelite or an Edomite, feel free to call them an antisemite.

This argument is another red herring, and clearly an attempt to deflect attention from the antisemitism strutting its way through this thread. Whether the Arabs are semites also is totally beside the point. Of course other semitic groups were targeted by the Holocaust, as were all people who did not meet Hitler's insane standards of Aryan excellence.

But the term "antisemitism" virtually always refers to anti-Jewish sentiment, and has nothing to do with other groups who might be termed Semites. Here is the encyclopedia Britannica's description of the term:

Anti-Semitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism
was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns under way in central Europe at that time. Although the term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a ​
discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish
prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. Nazianti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust , had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts.
 
KingsX said:
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Anyone who believes it doesn't matter which God is worshiped is no friend of mine !!

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Aunt Bea said:
I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm ok with that.
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Me, too. Thanks for the info.

Sunny said:
But before we put it to a well-deserved rest, I'd like to get in one more word about the definition of antisemitism, which managed to get under scrutiny here.



OK, so the next time you hear someone attacking an Ishmaelite or an Edomite, feel free to call them an antisemite.

This argument is another red herring, and clearly an attempt to deflect attention from the antisemitism strutting its way through this thread. Whether the Arabs are semites also is totally beside the point. Of course other semitic groups were targeted by the Holocaust, as were all people who did not meet Hitler's insane standards of Aryan excellence.

But the term "antisemitism" virtually always refers to anti-Jewish sentiment, and has nothing to do with other groups who might be termed Semites. Here is the encyclopedia Britannica's description of the term:

Anti-Semitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism
was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns under way in central Europe at that time. Although the term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a
​
discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish
prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. Nazianti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust , had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts.
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It's hard to imagine that anyone who participated in this thread is sincerely unclear about the general meaning of this word. Thank you for doing the research to put that matter to bed.

Like others, I think it's time to put a halt to this discussion.
 
I take it then that anyone who is not of the same religion as yourself and say believes in Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism etc; would never be invited to eat at your table.
 
I wonder how many people are aware that many Europeans, in addition to German's, actively assisted the Nazi's in hunting down, arresting and turning Jews over to their killers. Examples: Members of the French and Italian police were especially active it doing exactly that.

I'm some what of a history buff, and I can't think of any time since The Spanish Inquisition of the 13th century when persecution of the Jews in Europe was not a daily occurrence.

Hitler used the pre-existing anti-Semitism for his own evil ends, he did not actually invent it.
 
My next door neighbor was a Marine and fought the Japanese in major battles. He brought back a Japanese officers sword he took from him and killed him with it. He left the blood on the blade and had it impregnated in to the metal so it could never be removed.
 
I owe you all a sincere apology re; my post about worshipping whichever God they choose., What I should have said instead of God was Religion. We all know there is only one God but is worshipped and called different names in other religions.
I did not word it correctly and would like to sincerely apologise for any misunderstanding.
Thank you very much.
 
justfred said:
We all know there is only one God but is worshipped and called different names in other religions.
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You might want to rephrase that too. You don't speak for me.

It's rather ironic... people are allowed different opinions about God [as long as those opinions pass a PC litmus test, I'm sure.]
But not about certain aspects of the history of WW2.

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OK I don,t speak for you. I am not going to ask your views on religion as, along with politics it,s a subject I will not discuss. What do you know of certain aspects of WW2? Did you take an active part? I did so I know a little about it.
 
fmdog44 said:
My next door neighbor was a Marine and fought the Japanese in major battles. He brought back a Japanese officers sword he took from him and killed him with it. He left the blood on the blade and had it impregnated in to the metal so it could never be removed.
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Thank you for sharing this, fmdog. I cannot say whether or not this is a bizarre thing for your neighbor to do, having never served in the military nor been personally involved in a war, never mind hand-to-hand combat to the death. Maybe the source of my inner conflict about "war trophies" is knowing that I haven't walked that mile in WWII veterans' shoes.
 
justfred said:
I owe you all a sincere apology re; my post about worshipping whichever God they choose., What I should have said instead of God was Religion. We all know there is only one God but is worshipped and called different names in other religions.
I did not word it correctly and would like to sincerely apologise for any misunderstanding.
Thank you very much.
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How do you know ? Ya ever meet him?
 
I am now getting the impression that I am unwelcome on this forum. I have apologised for what was an error on my part but apparently my apology has not been accepted.
Goodbye.
 
justfred said:
I am now getting the impression that I am unwelcome on this forum. I have apologised for what was an error on my part but apparently my apology has not been accepted.
Goodbye.
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Oh justfred, please don’t leave. You are very welcome here, we need people of your intelligence, depth, experience, and compassionate outlook. Don’t let the sharp words of a few sour you toward the rest of us. I

appreciated the sincerity of your apology, and the grace which it showed, you are a true gentleman. For whatever reason, each forum has it’s naysayers, or those who thrive on conflict. They do not reflect the majority here on SF.
 
justfred said:
I am now getting the impression that I am unwelcome on this forum. I have apologised for what was an error on my part but apparently my apology has not been accepted.
Goodbye.
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I hope you're not getting that impression from me?

Do we all, always have to agree to be welcome here?...I hope not. IMO challenging each other is sometimes how we learn.
 
Shalimar said:
Oh justfred, please don’t leave. You are very welcome here, we need people of your intelligence, depth, experience, and compassionate outlook. Don’t let the sharp words of a few sour you toward the rest of us. I

appreciated the sincerity of your apology, and the grace which it showed, you are a true gentleman. For whatever reason, each forum has it’s naysayers, or those who thrive on conflict. They do not reflect the majority here on SF.
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So...if we do not automatically agree...does that mean we thrive on conflict ? And as such are only thought of as the naysayers?

There is no point in having an open forum, if all we are going to do solicit agreement . IMO an open forum is to discuss a topic, offer another thought on the topic , post an opposing opinion...And of course if one does agree say so.

I have told people for years, that is why Baskin Robbins offers 31 flavors....because we all have different tastes .
 
rgp said:
So...if we do not automatically agree...does that mean we thrive on conflict ? And as such are only thought of as the naysayers?

There is no point in having an open forum, if all we are going to do solicit agreement . IMO an open forum is to discuss a topic, offer another thought on the topic , post an opposing opinion...And of course if one does agree say so.

I have told people for years, that is why Baskin Robbins offers 31 flavors....because we all have different tastes .
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Rgp, I was not specifically “targeting” you in my post. My comments were centred on people who ignore debate, who
grandstand, repeatedly interjecting their often harsh ideology into threads, and care nothing for the pain their comments may

trigger. You showed concern over another’s feelings, they do not. They deny, project, obfuscate, in an attempt to put out their message. Such people do not discuss, nor do they learn, their minds are closed to any truth other than their own. They react with anger at any deviation from their reality. No one grows in such a hostile environment.
 
I am not saying we should all agree on everything automatically. I made a grave error over a remark I should not have made re; religion. I should have kept my mouth shut as I do not normally discuss religion or politics as they are both very 'touchy' subjects. Many wars have been caused by both in different parts of the world. Not that I am attempting to start WW3. I will leave that to the idiots that are running some countries.
What I am annoyed about is the fact that I apologised for this error but in reply got sarcasm instead of acceptance of my apology.
 
justfred said:
I am not saying we should all agree on everything automatically. I made a grave error over a remark I should not have made re; religion. I should have kept my mouth shut as I do not normally discuss religion or politics as they are both very 'touchy' subjects. Many wars have been caused by both in different parts of the world. Not that I am attempting to start WW3. I will leave that to the idiots that are running some countries.
What I am annoyed about is the fact that I apologised for this error but in reply got sarcasm instead of acceptance of my apology.
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Fred I honestly thought the reply you got was meant as a joke.

Stick around.

There are a few here who are good people but get bored easily and enjoy throwing out criticism for its own sake. Makes their day sparkle a little.

Unless the conversation goes back to the TOPIC, I'll say no more here.
 
justfred said:
I am not saying we should all agree on everything automatically. I made a grave error over a remark I should not have made re; religion. I should have kept my mouth shut as I do not normally discuss religion or politics as they are both very 'touchy' subjects. Many wars have been caused by both in different parts of the world. Not that I am attempting to start WW3. I will leave that to the idiots that are running some countries.
What I am annoyed about is the fact that I apologised for this error but in reply got sarcasm instead of acceptance of my apology.
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I hear you. It is upsetting to deal with such reactions, but I hope it won’t drive you away from the rest of us.
 

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