Fatal shooting - argument in parking lot

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Warrigal said:
I agree. It seems to me that this was the pivotal point that initiated the tragedy.

No-one seems to have recognised that the dead man was defending his family from an abusive man but without deadly force.
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By assaulting him for talking? Why not simply address him face to face? If he had done that he would be alive today.
 

Butterfly said:
I think the shooter was way out of line by accosting the driver in the first place. If he's not law enforcement or the business owner, or a handicapped person who can't find another place to park, I don't see where it is any of his business to police who parks where. Regardless of the legality of the car being parked there, it seems to me that the shooter provoked the incident which ultimately resulted in the death.
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Very true.

Warrigal said:
I agree. It seems to me that this was the pivotal point that initiated the tragedy.

No-one seems to have recognised that the dead man was defending his family from an abusive man but without deadly force.
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Warri, I think most of us here do recognize this distinction, but then there are those who are just to callous to care. This is just how it is in our country, life of others for some, has limited value, not something I'm making up, I'm sure you can tell since you are aware of a lot of what takes place via news reports of what takes place in the USA. Some are hankering for an all out war and stock pile guns, it's what they're waiting in the winds for.
 
Warrigal said:
I agree. It seems to me that this was the pivotal point that initiated the tragedy.

No-one seems to have recognised that the dead man was defending his family from an abusive man but without deadly force.
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The pivotal point was when the driver so arrogantly parked in the space that was provided for the handicapped.....not her.
 

Warrigal said:
I agree. It seems to me that this was the pivotal point that initiated the tragedy.

No-one seems to have recognised that the dead man was defending his family from an abusive man but without deadly force.
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No one seems to have recognized that Mr. McGlocton had no need to attack Mr. Drejka and throw him to the ground.

IMO it was all just a case of sticks and stones until that happened.

It also has occurred to me that we could be having a much different conversation if Mr. McGlocton's attack had resulted in Mr. Drejka's death from a head injury, heart attack, etc...
 
Aunt Bea said:
No one seems to have recognized that Mr. McGlocton had no need to attack Mr. Drejka and throw him to the ground.


IMO it was all just a case of sticks and stones until that happened.


It also has occurred to me that we could be having a much different conversation if Mr. McGlocton's attack had resulted in Mr. Drejka's death from a head injury, heart attack, etc...
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A few of us recognize that fact. But WOW you are getting dangerously close to being one of the usual suspects here that recognize the difference between verbal and physical.


Defending an ignorant driver that could easily have legally parked or moved is lost on those intent on finding fault with a citizen that has a right to verbally point out illegal parking.


The cause. Ignorant unmarried mother of 3 parking illegally that doesn't give a fig about laws or handicapped people.
 
Knight said:
A few of us recognize that fact. But WOW you are getting dangerously close to being one of the usual suspects here that recognize the difference between verbal and physical.


Defending an ignorant driver that could easily have legally parked or moved is lost on those intent on finding fault with a citizen that has a right to verbally point out illegal parking.


The cause. Ignorant unmarried mother of 3 parking illegally that doesn't give a fig about laws or handicapped people.
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And that's going to be listed as the cause of death?
 
The pivotal point was when the driver so arrogantly parked in the space that was provided for the handicapped.....not her.
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So then, we are living in a savage jungle without any legal jurisdiction over misdemeanors, such as illegal parking? There are no traffic courts, no parking tickets, no fines? Someone parks illegally, so it's perfectly fine for a guy with anger issues, packing a gun, to go up to their car and start yelling at the driver?

Why was it even his business? No one was in any physical danger (until he came along). Why did he care so much?

Another thought: was she even "parked?" If McGlockton had just run into the store for a brief errand, and she remained behind the wheel, I wonder if the car could even be legally considered parked.
There actually is a legal distinction between "parking" and "standing."
 
Camper6 said:
And that's going to be listed as the cause of death?
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I'm certain you understand the English language

But just in case you don't.
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Had she not parked illegally this whole series of events would not have happened.
 
Sunny said:
So then, we are living in a savage jungle without any legal jurisdiction over misdemeanors, such as illegal parking? There are no traffic courts, no parking tickets, no fines? Someone parks illegally, so it's perfectly fine for a guy with anger issues, packing a gun, to go up to their car and start yelling at the driver?

Why was it even his business? No one was in any physical danger (until he came along). Why did he care so much?

Another thought: was she even "parked?" If McGlockton had just run into the store for a brief errand, and she remained behind the wheel, I wonder if the car could even be legally considered parked.
There actually is a legal distinction between "parking" and "standing."
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Regardless, the space provided for the handicapped , not her, was indeed blocked.
 
Sunny said:
So then, we are living in a savage jungle without any legal jurisdiction over misdemeanors, such as illegal parking? There are no traffic courts, no parking tickets, no fines? Someone parks illegally, so it's perfectly fine for a guy with anger issues, packing a gun, to go up to their car and start yelling at the driver?

Why was it even his business? No one was in any physical danger (until he came along). Why did he care so much?

Another thought: was she even "parked?" If McGlockton had just run into the store for a brief errand, and she remained behind the wheel, I wonder if the car could even be legally considered parked.
There actually is a legal distinction between "parking" and "standing."
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All very good points, but, hadn't even thought of the bolded excellent observation.
 
One point which interested me, a poster felt it necessary (while castigating the woman who parked in handicapped spot) to mention she was “an unmarried mother of three.” What on earth does her marital status have to do with anything? Surely this cannot be a criticism of her morality? I am also an unmarried mother.
 
Shalimar said:
One point which interested me, a poster felt it necessary (while castigating the woman who parked in handicapped spot) to mention she was “an unmarried mother of three.” What on earth does her marital status have to do with anything? Surely this cannot be a criticism of her morality? I am also an unmarried mother.
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Like it or not that was the intent .
 
"FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — An attorney for the family of an unarmed black man fatally shot by a white man in a Florida parking lot said Thursday that race is the reason no charges have been filed after the videotaped altercation."

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/florida/articles/2018-07-26/attorney-white-man-must-be-charged-in-killing-of-black-man
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I totally believe that it was not deemed murder was racist.
 
fmdog44 said:
By assaulting him for talking? Why not simply address him face to face? If he had done that he would be alive today.
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You weren't there and neither was I. You assume that he was "just talking" but in my experience that wouldn't trigger an assault. I suspect, but do not know, that he was being aggressively abusive. Didn't someone go into the store to alert the husband? Why would they do that if he was just talking?

There were witnesses so I assume that the details will be made known soon enough. Until then there is no point in rushing to judgement. That does not mean that we will not have opinions on the matter. You have yours, I have mine.
 
What is disturbing is the fact that we have a few otherwise good men on here (and on other forums) that are defending the cowardly actions of hostile men with a gun. Effectively, they are strengthening the argument FOR increased gun control by their insistence that it is appropriate to murder someone for a parking lot scuffle or throwing popcorn in a movie theatre. If they constantly fear for their life, these shooters should never have a gun. Cowards.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
What is disturbing is the fact that we have a few otherwise good men on here (and on other forums) that are defending the cowardly actions of hostile men with a gun. Effectively, they are strengthening the argument FOR increased gun control by their insistence that it is appropriate to murder someone for a parking lot scuffle or throwing popcorn in a movie theatre. If they constantly fear for their life, these shooters should never have a gun. Cowards.
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Thank you for your insight.
 
The gf said in an interview that Drejka was yelling, cursing, and told her to "move her f'ing car".
The video shows several people going in/out of the store looking at the scene. If he had just been "talking" a witness would not have gone into the store to alert McGlockton.

Something else...Yes, I KNOW handicapped spaces are for handicapped drivers, no...I've never parked in a handicapped spot, and yes, there were empty spaces where victim & gf could have parked, but if a handicapped person had pulled up they could also have used one of those empty spaces. The store parking lot wasn't busy. Did Drejka had a handicapped passenger or was he disabled himself? NO. He could have taken a photo of vehicle & plates and reported to police...but then he wouldn't haven been able to shout, curse, and use his gun. :whome:
 
Warrigal said:
Arrogance abounds. It is not something that should be punished by death.
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Exactly right....and it wasn't . Death was the end result of an assault . Arrogance was the state of mind that set the scenario in motion, that lead the scenario to assault .....ending in death.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
What is disturbing is the fact that we have a few otherwise good men on here (and on other forums) that are defending the cowardly actions of hostile men with a gun. Effectively, they are strengthening the argument FOR increased gun control by their insistence that it is appropriate to murder someone for a parking lot scuffle or throwing popcorn in a movie theatre. If they constantly fear for their life, these shooters should never have a gun. Cowards.
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"Effectively, they are strengthening the argument FOR increased gun control by their insistence that it is appropriate to murder someone for a parking lot scuffle or throwing popcorn in a movie theatre."

 To equate the two , is woefully irresponsible & just plain wrong.

The parking lot scenario was not a 'scuffle' ending in murder. It was a physical assault ending in self defense , and tragically a death.
 
So, let me get this straight... if a bully with a gun goes up to an unarmed person and verbally attacks him (or his girlfriend), and that unarmed person has an arrogant attitude, that justifies murdering him? The murder victim" set the scenario in motion" so it was all his fault?
 
rgp said:
"Effectively, they are strengthening the argument FOR increased gun control by their insistence that it is appropriate to murder someone for a parking lot scuffle or throwing popcorn in a movie theatre."

 To equate the two , is woefully irresponsible & just plain wrong.

The parking lot scenario was not a 'scuffle' ending in murder. It was a physical assault ending in self defense , and tragically a death.
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Self defense? I will never buy that argument. One guy with a gun and the other one unarmed? Surely you jest.
 

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